GustavBahler wrote:

VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

VCoug wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Some of you get far too enthusiastic for losing. Doesn't take much for you to go there. Not even the All-Star break. Burke hasnt played, trade deadlines havent passed. Like hitting the reset button on your XBox.

The chances that Burke makes a significant difference to this team are somewhere between slim and none and we don't have the assets to make a trade if someone significant becomes available. I'm happy to lost short term if it means a better chance of winning long term. Depending on who you talk to, this year's draft has somewhere between 3 (Doncic, Ayton, Bagley) and 6 (Young, Porter, Bamba) potential franchise players. If losing a few more games this season means we draft a franchise player then, yes, we should be rooting for losses just like the years we wanted to draft Westbrook and then Curry and just missed out on them.

My point is that some have become so jaded, that they cant wait to see how it plays out. Perry made a very good deal for Melo considering the severe limits that were placed on his ability to make the best deal for the team. Not waiting to see how he responds, ready to flush the season already. Too soon.

At some point it may be more advantageous to look ahead to the lottery, but this early in the season feels cynical. There isnt the drama from last season, the team gets along, the coach hasnt lost the team as of now. Lets see if they can turn things around. That is something a young team can build on.

Yes, he made a very good deal in that he didn't take back any disastrous contracts like Ryan Anderson but we didn't get back any real assets. Kanter is a nice, overpaid player who's adding a couple of wins but doesn't make any major difference; McDermott is whatever; and we got a 2nd round pick. Like I said above, we have no assets to add a significant, win-now piece; there's nothing for Perry to respond with.

We're not that young of a team (we're tied for 12th oldest with Washington); we're not really winning with our youth except for KP and a little bit of Ntilikina; of our top 10 players in MPG only KP, THJr, Ntilikina, CLee, and Lance Thomas have contracts past next season; even if we turn it around we were only a .500ish team before this swoon; and even if we wanted to build on this we'd have no real way to add anyone because we'd be capped out.

You left out the most important part, Perry made that deal while under Melo's NTC. Perry made a very good deal considering he had very little wiggle room. That should at least make you want to give him the benefit of the doubt IMO. See if he can make some moves to better balance out the roster this season.

The issue isn't roster balance, it's roster talent. Every player on this team would be a role player on a good team, including KP at this point in his career. There's no balance to turn this team from a .500-ish at best team into something resembling a title contender.

BigDaddyG wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Lee, Thomas and KO should all be on the market at the trading deadline and could all net assets back in a true rebuild (Lee: late 1st rounder; LT: 2nd rounder; KO: 2nd rounder).

I think we're stuck with Lance, which is OK. You need vets in the locker room. I'd like to get a first for Lee, but what teams out there have the need and resources? What OKC consider a deal and do they have a first? Cleveland could use Lance. Do they have a pick outside of the Brooklyn pick to trade?

fwk00 wrote:They may be in the market for a center before long.

Sure, but they're in a position that they'd be able to draft Ayton, Bamba, or Bagley with their 1st round pick. Why are they trading one of those guys for WHG?

CrushAlot wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

SocraticBallin22 wrote:Lee, Thomas and KO should all be on the market at the trading deadline and could all net assets back in a true rebuild (Lee: late 1st rounder; LT: 2nd rounder; KO: 2nd rounder).

I think we're stuck with Lance, which is OK. You need vets in the locker room. I'd like to get a first for Lee, but what teams out there have the need and resources? What OKC consider a deal and do they have a first? Cleveland could use Lance. Do they have a pick outside of the Brooklyn pick to trade?

He is just what OKC needs. Not sure what their pick situation is. The Knicks would need to take a contract back. I know an okc blog was trying to come up with trade scenarios for KOQ. His salary makes him much easier to move.

Think Minny has their pick. OKC can sure use him as the shooting guard is not shooting.

This would shore up Clevelands defense and add two players who can score, but don’t demand the ball. I think it makes Cleveland a better balanced team.

Knicks would get some cap flexibility next year with Fryes expiring. Crowder is a nice fit starting at the 3, he’s 27 and under control for two more years on a good contract

fwk00 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

fwk00 wrote:They may be in the market for a center before long.

Sure, but they're in a position that they'd be able to draft Ayton, Bamba, or Bagley with their 1st round pick. Why are they trading one of those guys for WHG?

They don't lose an early pick, they simply lose a few positions for a sure thing rather than a not-so-sure-thing. Willie can play and he's a memphis kinda guy.

Chalmers comes in as a backup while Jack takes his place. It's not even clear Memphis would lose draft position but if they did it simply puts the Knicks in slightly better draft position something the tank is intended to do.

"A Memphis kind of guy"? Why, because they only employ Spaniards at Center (Pau, Marc, Willy)?

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

The Orlando Magic are in a stunning free fall having lost 27 of their last 31 games, which means a fire sale is potentially imminent.

Rival executives expect the Magic to "aggressively hunt" for trades involving point guard Elfrid Payton, shooting guard Evan Fournier, and small forward Mario Hezonja, according to Marc Stein of the New York Times.

Fournier, a 25-year-old, is averaging 17.6 points and 2.9 assists while shooting 39 percent from deep. He's on a reasonable contract that sees him making $17 million for the next three seasons

Lee baker and willy

I like Fournier, but he's redundant with THJ already here. It would be cool to have a team France backcourt tho. Is Hexonja playing decently? I'd like to take a gamble, but why trade when you could possibly buy in free agency?

Hezonja's shown flashes but has never been consistently good. He's someone I'd like to take a chance on this summer on a team-friendly deal. Something like 2 years @ $15M with a team option for a 3rd.

VCoug wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

The Orlando Magic are in a stunning free fall having lost 27 of their last 31 games, which means a fire sale is potentially imminent.

Rival executives expect the Magic to "aggressively hunt" for trades involving point guard Elfrid Payton, shooting guard Evan Fournier, and small forward Mario Hezonja, according to Marc Stein of the New York Times.

Fournier, a 25-year-old, is averaging 17.6 points and 2.9 assists while shooting 39 percent from deep. He's on a reasonable contract that sees him making $17 million for the next three seasons

Lee baker and willy

I like Fournier, but he's redundant with THJ already here. It would be cool to have a team France backcourt tho. Is Hexonja playing decently? I'd like to take a gamble, but why trade when you could possibly buy in free agency?

Hezonja's shown flashes but has never been consistently good. He's someone I'd like to take a chance on this summer on a team-friendly deal. Something like 2 years @ $15M with a team option for a 3rd.

..... that's a Baker type deal but times 2