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Shams reporting the Knicks are in negotiations with Trey Burke and that he will be held out of the shcwcase this weekend
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1/10/2018  4:52 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
blkexec wrote:I just read a recent article and I forgot Hardaway and Burke led Michigan to the National Championship. Sounds like they have great chemistry during transition plays in particular. Seems like a perfect fit for Horny's system. And with Franks wing span, he could play 3 positions in this system. So there's plenty of room for Burke to come in and shine. If Horny plays Hardaway and Lee at the 3....Then I can see him playing 3 guards and 2 forwards, with Burke taking some minutes from Jack (eventhough Jack has been balling). Burke is younger and could be a solid backup, once Jack plays out his contract.

Hornacek has shown that he's willing to give players the fast hook if their D is lacking. Listening to Burke talk about wanting to show what he can do. Lets hope thats enough incentive for Burke to play some respectable D. So he can stay on the court and prove he deserves to be there.


Effort sounds like a problem, but size and athleticism seemed to be the biggest issues with Burke's D. Even when he did dig into guys, they could just shoot over him.
but honestly thats good D from him. If he's keeping guys in front of him and contesting shots you take that and run. Its when they are getting beat off the dribble and either taking it to the basket or creating easy looks by breaking down the D. I will take contested jumpers every day and 2x on Tues. Every coach will.

Agree about Jeff and I love it. Its the new culture and I pray its hear to stay. There is no faster path to improve than a commitment to defense. Its much easier said than done and takes more than just a coach who says go play D

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1/10/2018  5:51 PM
blkexec wrote:I just read a recent article and I forgot Hardaway and Burke led Michigan to the National Championship. Sounds like they have great chemistry during transition plays in particular. Seems like a perfect fit for Horny's system. And with Franks wing span, he could play 3 positions in this system. So there's plenty of room for Burke to come in and shine. If Horny plays Hardaway and Lee at the 3....Then I can see him playing 3 guards and 2 forwards, with Burke taking some minutes from Jack (eventhough Jack has been balling). Burke is younger and could be a solid backup, once Jack plays out his contract.

Baker is the guy that is on danger if losing minutes. If Burke fits we should only see Baker in a game during garbage time or if we need a stop.

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1/10/2018  6:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2018  6:03 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
blkexec wrote:I just read a recent article and I forgot Hardaway and Burke led Michigan to the National Championship. Sounds like they have great chemistry during transition plays in particular. Seems like a perfect fit for Horny's system. And with Franks wing span, he could play 3 positions in this system. So there's plenty of room for Burke to come in and shine. If Horny plays Hardaway and Lee at the 3....Then I can see him playing 3 guards and 2 forwards, with Burke taking some minutes from Jack (eventhough Jack has been balling). Burke is younger and could be a solid backup, once Jack plays out his contract.

Hornacek has shown that he's willing to give players the fast hook if their D is lacking. Listening to Burke talk about wanting to show what he can do. Lets hope thats enough incentive for Burke to play some respectable D. So he can stay on the court and prove he deserves to be there.


Effort sounds like a problem, but size and athleticism seemed to be the biggest issues with Burke's D. Even when he did dig into guys, they could just shoot over him.

Do players just shoot over Chris Paul? He's the same size as Burke. I'm not comparing careers... thus is about height and defense. I don't remember hearing a players talking about shooting over Chris Paul.

The problem with Burke is ego.... he complained that Utah was trying to sabotage his career. With the Wizards he was complaining about minutes wen guys like Beal and wall in front of him.... with the Knicks he would have to eat more humble pie and play behind guys he is clearly the superior to scoring wise. He's got to be ready to work and earn a spot.

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1/10/2018  6:50 PM
EnySpree wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
blkexec wrote:I just read a recent article and I forgot Hardaway and Burke led Michigan to the National Championship. Sounds like they have great chemistry during transition plays in particular. Seems like a perfect fit for Horny's system. And with Franks wing span, he could play 3 positions in this system. So there's plenty of room for Burke to come in and shine. If Horny plays Hardaway and Lee at the 3....Then I can see him playing 3 guards and 2 forwards, with Burke taking some minutes from Jack (eventhough Jack has been balling). Burke is younger and could be a solid backup, once Jack plays out his contract.

Hornacek has shown that he's willing to give players the fast hook if their D is lacking. Listening to Burke talk about wanting to show what he can do. Lets hope thats enough incentive for Burke to play some respectable D. So he can stay on the court and prove he deserves to be there.


Effort sounds like a problem, but size and athleticism seemed to be the biggest issues with Burke's D. Even when he did dig into guys, they could just shoot over him.

Do players just shoot over Chris Paul? He's the same size as Burke. I'm not comparing careers... thus is about height and defense. I don't remember hearing a players talking about shooting over Chris Paul.

The problem with Burke is ego.... he complained that Utah was trying to sabotage his career. With the Wizards he was complaining about minutes wen guys like Beal and wall in front of him.... with the Knicks he would have to eat more humble pie and play behind guys he is clearly the superior to scoring wise. He's got to be ready to work and earn a spot.

In fact, Paul is constantly on the all-defense team and he's not overly athletic and like you said, about the same size as Burke. I think people put players in a box and they're typecast for the rest of their career.
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1/10/2018  6:53 PM
EnySpree wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
blkexec wrote:I just read a recent article and I forgot Hardaway and Burke led Michigan to the National Championship. Sounds like they have great chemistry during transition plays in particular. Seems like a perfect fit for Horny's system. And with Franks wing span, he could play 3 positions in this system. So there's plenty of room for Burke to come in and shine. If Horny plays Hardaway and Lee at the 3....Then I can see him playing 3 guards and 2 forwards, with Burke taking some minutes from Jack (eventhough Jack has been balling). Burke is younger and could be a solid backup, once Jack plays out his contract.

Hornacek has shown that he's willing to give players the fast hook if their D is lacking. Listening to Burke talk about wanting to show what he can do. Lets hope thats enough incentive for Burke to play some respectable D. So he can stay on the court and prove he deserves to be there.


Effort sounds like a problem, but size and athleticism seemed to be the biggest issues with Burke's D. Even when he did dig into guys, they could just shoot over him.

Do players just shoot over Chris Paul? He's the same size as Burke. I'm not comparing careers... thus is about height and defense. I don't remember hearing a players talking about shooting over Chris Paul.

The problem with Burke is ego.... he complained that Utah was trying to sabotage his career. With the Wizards he was complaining about minutes wen guys like Beal and wall in front of him.... with the Knicks he would have to eat more humble pie and play behind guys he is clearly the superior to scoring wise. He's got to be ready to work and earn a spot.


This is probably the last time Paul and Burke's will be uttered in the same sentence lol Seriously, Paul is smarter, stronger and quicker than Burke. I get what you're saying,but Burke has had four years to show that he's not that good a scorer. At some point you have to realize your own physical limitations. He can't get away with the things he did in college and G-League. I still don't hear that from him. The fact is, Utah force fed him minutes. The Wizards practically begged him to be able to play 10 mins a game.They just wanted someone to soak up a few mins for John Wall. They were desperate to the point that they were excited when Brandon Jennings became available.
I hope Burke proves me wrong and can become decent, at the very least.
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Shams reporting the Knicks are in negotiations with Trey Burke and that he will be held out of the shcwcase this weekend

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