anrst wrote:this thread is apalling. i'm amazed briggs didn't start it.

He already started 1 on this kid

Nalod wrote:Frank defense gets no cred.

I never dismiss his defense or his worth, he's a very solid young player..

MS wrote:How many guys have the one on one ability to affect the most dangerous one on one player in the league?

The kids instincts are very good and he’s starting to hit and take the open jumpers that are given to him. He’s taken some **** from the fans and gotten hammered in the media and has shown poise, which is highly underrated. Few can handle it, his teammates like him. There is chemistry here which in many cases is more important than individual talent.

Yeah, so let's trade him for the next shiny thing.

Knixkik wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:BTW - reading between the lines, the point of this thread was to try and get rid of Frank - because he can't accept Phil did something right.

Right. I like what i see with Young, but i would not trade Frank. Frank has the opportunity to be a transcendent defensive guard, along with a solid playmaking PG. Would love Young in addition to Frank, but not at his expense.

Yeah...the grass is always seems greener on the other side.

Remember...Frank has also played off guard and has the size to do it, too, but I'd think you'd want him guarding opposition PGs, and I don't think Young could guard at the 2.

I do like Young's shot form from distance...shoots on the way up. Not the same form as Curry, but same concept.

I wasn't happy for the pick at first but, as the team currently constructed, Frank is exactly what we need on this team

meloshouldgo wrote:Posted in the other thread as well, but this is what Frank and Ron are doing together

When Baker and Ntilikina are both on the court, New York ranks in the 96th percentile in defensive rating, the 97th percentile in defensive eFG%, and the 98th percentage in defensive turnover percentage.

TripleThreat wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Like I keep saying over and over, I have no problem with frank at all, but this kid is flat out better, and you know it. If you were the GM and had an option between both, and you pick frank over him, you would be fired on the spot and escorted out of the building.

Trae Young is getting massive volume right now. He won't at the NBA level. He can create his own shot right now. He won't be able to do that consistently at the NBA level. He's not talented enough to be a primary offensive option in the NBA. He's a player that needs the ball in his hands to thrive. So the question becomes, how does he help as the 2nd or 3rd or 4th offensive option? He doesn't. He's going to end up a net negative on defense. And though his long range shooting is pretty awesome, the question remains is he going to give up as much or more than he gives you.

Given the weak state of his positional value around the college game and his current play, he's pushing himself in to the Tier 3 of the first round conversation now, but that's not guaranteed to be sustainable.

Ntlikina actually fits a real NBA role better than Young, now and in the future.

Young is the kind of player where his offense needs to carry his value, and his offense as it will likely translate to the next level is going to raise some serious concerns.

Young has possibly a better offensive profile right now than Ntilikina but that's all sort of meaningless once you are slotted as someone who is unlikely to be able to consistently create their own shot.

Too many tradeoffs and workarounds to make this guy seem like a real NBA fit.

3 or 4 th option? Do you guys actually watch the guy play before making proclamations like this?
Trae young will be picked top 3 and depending on team likely pick 1 and will be handed the basketball to be THE guy from day 1. He's got sneaky speed like Tony Parker he shoots it like S Curry he sees the floor like Magic Johnson. He does not have a great physical profile and he does make some mistakes ( of course how could he not?) but nba teams will see him as a franchise player who plays today's version of the game and will be an instant BOOM financially to any team. Trae young is not a player Trae Young is a show. Triple threat you're a good dude but you are off so much it's unreal. This is like you saying the Cavs would stink or some of the other late night goodies. Wow you have not watched Oklahoma play much. I split screened the knick game and it was much more interesting watching the Sooners. They look like the Warriors in the first half -- grea great basketball

MS wrote:How many guys have the one on one ability to affect the most dangerous one on one player in the league?

The kids instincts are very good and he’s starting to hit and take the open jumpers that are given to him. He’s taken some **** from the fans and gotten hammered in the media and has shown poise, which is highly underrated. Few can handle it, his teammates like him. There is chemistry here which in many cases is more important than individual talent.

Frank barely was on Kyrie. Baker was defending Kyrie mostly. also when we played OKC Frank didnt cover Westbrook. I don't understand why mr all world defense isn't covering these top offensive guys???

BRIGGS wrote:3 or 4 th option? Do you guys actually watch the guy play before making proclamations like this?
Trae young will be picked top 3 and depending on team likely pick 1 and will be handed the basketball to be THE guy from day 1. He's got sneaky speed like Tony Parker he shoots it like S Curry he sees the floor like Magic Johnson.

You mean like a proclamation where one compares a guy in college, having a short streak of impressive games with volume, to THREE HALL OF FAME PLAYERS ( One already in, two who are virtual locks) One who is the archetype of "positionless" basketball and could play all five position on the court. The other the most lethal long range shooter in NBA history. The other a guy with a ton of rings and part of one of the most dominant team runs in NBA history?

How many rookies walk into an NBA team and become the primary offensive option from Day 1 and give you massive burn that is NOT a function of volume or a poor talent team situation?

Young is killing competition that is vastly inferior to what he will see constantly at the NBA level.

There is no way he's going to be drafted above Doncic/Porter/Ayton/Bamba/etc. He is pushing his way up to Tier 3, which will probably be in the 9-12 range, if he stays this hot for the rest of his college career. Which is a nice leap for a guy who was most likely going in the mid to late 20s otherwise.

He's a fun player to watch. But he lacks the length and athleticism to bank on him being able to translate his full college game into the NBA.

Briggs, you seem to fall in love with no defense gunners without any context as to why their game might not translate to an actual NBA role/rotation. There's more to the game than just some relentless chuckers.

Ntilikina has the raw tool set and shows the potential to be a solid 3 And D guy. Three point shooting is a skill set proved that can be developed over time and hard work. Making a guy without length and real NBA athleticism like Young into fixing those thing is not something you can develop. You can always find a no defense gunner who has questionable fit at the NBA level. But a guy who can actually defend the wing and give you true "positionless basketball" potential is actually quite valuable.

You are just the kind of guy who likes big tits ( re: counting stats that don't always translates to long term winning). She's got herpes? Who cares, she's got big tits. She's got bad credit? Who cares, she's got big tits. She's got four kids from four different baby daddies? Who care, she's got big tits. She doesn't bath? Who cares, she's got big tits.

Yes, yes, you love your funbags. But the game is more than just raw inefficient counting stats.