Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:when fans think they know better than the pro's.

DOes anyone think that rookies are inconsistent, have to deal with injuries, have bad games, but can in time assimilate then produce?
Or is that not a valid concept UNTIL IT HAPPENS?
THis is what rebuilding looks like. Its messy!!!!
I feel bad for Briggs kids! Parenting with such a short view must be hard.

Yeah a long term view would have him in the D league practicing against a level he can handle. We missed on Smith and Mitchell-- lets sck it up and get him to the D league where he can learn.

So your general assumption here is that because a player is not playing up to some standard level he is NOT learning? You can't learn in practice, with vets, playing real NBA minutes? But in G-League you will pick up the necessary stuff?

He needs to play at a lower level like most 19 year olds. He's not ready for nba basketball-- he needs to learn the pg position-- he's regressed. He needs several games in the dleague where he can play 40 minutes. 99.999999999999999999 of kids at 19 are in college. He's just not nba ready

But sessions, Baker, and Jack aren't ready for NBA basketball either. Timmy Hardaway plays PG for 48 mpg?

Do you feel the same way about frank as you did about KP after his 1st month in the league?

franks numbers are almost identical to what he avg last season overseas.

You asking me or Briggs? I'm not the one who said to send Frank down. I'm not sure what first month stuff you're referring to with KP though. He averaged 14 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks a game in November of his rookie year.

what I'm saying is, you knew right off the bat that Kp was going to be a special player sooner than later. The fact that he left the knicks alone this summer and came back much better, and frank work with the knicks all summer, and looks no different than he did last season, stat wise, and skills. He started the season playing on instinct and talent, now he is thinking too much, looks timid, and has a different release on every one of his jumpers, which is why he's bricking them .

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:when fans think they know better than the pro's.

DOes anyone think that rookies are inconsistent, have to deal with injuries, have bad games, but can in time assimilate then produce?
Or is that not a valid concept UNTIL IT HAPPENS?
THis is what rebuilding looks like. Its messy!!!!
I feel bad for Briggs kids! Parenting with such a short view must be hard.

Yeah a long term view would have him in the D league practicing against a level he can handle. We missed on Smith and Mitchell-- lets sck it up and get him to the D league where he can learn.

So your general assumption here is that because a player is not playing up to some standard level he is NOT learning? You can't learn in practice, with vets, playing real NBA minutes? But in G-League you will pick up the necessary stuff?

He needs to play at a lower level like most 19 year olds. He's not ready for nba basketball-- he needs to learn the pg position-- he's regressed. He needs several games in the dleague where he can play 40 minutes. 99.999999999999999999 of kids at 19 are in college. He's just not nba ready

But sessions, Baker, and Jack aren't ready for NBA basketball either. Timmy Hardaway plays PG for 48 mpg?

Do you feel the same way about frank as you did about KP after his 1st month in the league?

franks numbers are almost identical to what he avg last season overseas.

You asking me or Briggs? I'm not the one who said to send Frank down. I'm not sure what first month stuff you're referring to with KP though. He averaged 14 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks a game in November of his rookie year.

what I'm saying is, you knew right off the bat that Kp was going to be a special player sooner than later. The fact that he left the knicks alone this summer and came back much better, and frank work with the knicks all summer, and looks no different than he did last season, stat wise, and skills. He started the season playing on instinct and talent, now he is thinking too much, looks timid, and has a different release on every one of his jumpers, which is why he's bricking them .

Oh I completely misunderstood what you were saying. No one expects Frank to get to KP's level.

EnySpree wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s progressively getting worse. He’s lost any of the pg aspects we saw early— he can’t shoot- he’s just not an nba player right now

No secret...I was not a fan of the pick (And not because I hate the Kid but because he was a Trinagle/Phil pick), but I dont think he is anywhere near the point of needing to go to the G league. Besides, that is saved for players that are not able to get any considerable playing time in the Pros. He has good form on shots and can drive, just think he lacks the confidence. Think JH needs to force him to be more agressive. Thats if thats what they really think he should be doing right now. No siren call from me yet.

Going to the g league helped Dotson.... I forgot his quote but he said he benefited from going down there. Frank needs to learn how to score. Seeing guys that are hungry as want his spot should wake him up. Trey Burke needs a shot at the big team.

Hard to say if it would help. Think Dotson is a different example as he was never really thought of as a top rotation player nor our Lottery pick. Sending Frank down there may hurt his confidence even more. And again, as long as he is getting minutes, he is learning. He may not be what some on here hoped or hyped him up to be but he has not hurt the team. IMO

To that end, Budenholzer told Hardaway the Hawks wanted to send him down to the D-League to have a chance to work on his defensive effort.

"At the end of the day if you want to be on the court with a good team and play at a high level," Budenholzer said, "commitment to defense is just mandatory."

After spending two seasons in the NBA, being told he needed to go to the D-League made Hardaway, the son of the five-time All-Star point guard, re-examine the arc of his career.

"It was tough," Hardaway said. "It made me feel like a rookie again. It made me realize the position I’m in, and made me realize, 'Hey you gotta work. Nothing is given to you, everything is earned.' It hurt a lot when he told me I wasn’t playing for the first 20-something games. But it fueled me to become a better person, to become more mature and a better player."

Budenholzer said the Hawks were heartened by Hardaway's response.

To sit up here and think that a rookie average anemic numbers and shooting bricks won't benefit. That gives you a good indication why this franchise is dead last in the development department.

Look at Baker and Willy, do they look any better than last season, in fact, they look worse

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:when fans think they know better than the pro's.

DOes anyone think that rookies are inconsistent, have to deal with injuries, have bad games, but can in time assimilate then produce?
Or is that not a valid concept UNTIL IT HAPPENS?
THis is what rebuilding looks like. Its messy!!!!
I feel bad for Briggs kids! Parenting with such a short view must be hard.

Yeah a long term view would have him in the D league practicing against a level he can handle. We missed on Smith and Mitchell-- lets sck it up and get him to the D league where he can learn.

So your general assumption here is that because a player is not playing up to some standard level he is NOT learning? You can't learn in practice, with vets, playing real NBA minutes? But in G-League you will pick up the necessary stuff?

He needs to play at a lower level like most 19 year olds. He's not ready for nba basketball-- he needs to learn the pg position-- he's regressed. He needs several games in the dleague where he can play 40 minutes. 99.999999999999999999 of kids at 19 are in college. He's just not nba ready

But sessions, Baker, and Jack aren't ready for NBA basketball either. Timmy Hardaway plays PG for 48 mpg?

Do you feel the same way about frank as you did about KP after his 1st month in the league?

franks numbers are almost identical to what he avg last season overseas.

You asking me or Briggs? I'm not the one who said to send Frank down. I'm not sure what first month stuff you're referring to with KP though. He averaged 14 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks a game in November of his rookie year.

what I'm saying is, you knew right off the bat that Kp was going to be a special player sooner than later. The fact that he left the knicks alone this summer and came back much better, and frank work with the knicks all summer, and looks no different than he did last season, stat wise, and skills. He started the season playing on instinct and talent, now he is thinking too much, looks timid, and has a different release on every one of his jumpers, which is why he's bricking them .

I mean Frank worked with Chris Brickley. He is pretty credible. KP is going into his 3rd yr in the league. Not comparing him to Frank saying his progression probably had more to do with that then him going overseas.

Frank is a rookie who will have an up and down season. As I've read another poster post. Frank was drafted for what he could become not for what he is currently.

Then why not send him down for a few games, he is a lottery pick, you expect production out of a lottery pick.

The knicks seem to use their G league team to send players down to keep from getting rusty, not for actual development.

Aside from Langston Galloway, what other player has actually made it on to their nba roster (outside of a cameo apparence)since it's existence

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:when fans think they know better than the pro's.

DOes anyone think that rookies are inconsistent, have to deal with injuries, have bad games, but can in time assimilate then produce?
Or is that not a valid concept UNTIL IT HAPPENS?
THis is what rebuilding looks like. Its messy!!!!
I feel bad for Briggs kids! Parenting with such a short view must be hard.

Yeah a long term view would have him in the D league practicing against a level he can handle. We missed on Smith and Mitchell-- lets sck it up and get him to the D league where he can learn.

So your general assumption here is that because a player is not playing up to some standard level he is NOT learning? You can't learn in practice, with vets, playing real NBA minutes? But in G-League you will pick up the necessary stuff?

He needs to play at a lower level like most 19 year olds. He's not ready for nba basketball-- he needs to learn the pg position-- he's regressed. He needs several games in the dleague where he can play 40 minutes. 99.999999999999999999 of kids at 19 are in college. He's just not nba ready

But sessions, Baker, and Jack aren't ready for NBA basketball either. Timmy Hardaway plays PG for 48 mpg?

Do you feel the same way about frank as you did about KP after his 1st month in the league?

franks numbers are almost identical to what he avg last season overseas.

You asking me or Briggs? I'm not the one who said to send Frank down. I'm not sure what first month stuff you're referring to with KP though. He averaged 14 points, 10 rebounds, 2 blocks a game in November of his rookie year.

what I'm saying is, you knew right off the bat that Kp was going to be a special player sooner than later. The fact that he left the knicks alone this summer and came back much better, and frank work with the knicks all summer, and looks no different than he did last season, stat wise, and skills. He started the season playing on instinct and talent, now he is thinking too much, looks timid, and has a different release on every one of his jumpers, which is why he's bricking them .

I mean Frank worked with Chris Brickley. He is pretty credible. KP is going into his 3rd yr in the league. Not comparing him to Frank saying his progression probably had more to do with that then him going overseas.

Frank is a rookie who will have an up and down season. As I've read another poster post. Frank was drafted for what he could become not for what he is currently.

Then why not send him down for a few games, he is a lottery pick, you expect production out of a lottery pick.

The knicks seem to use their G league team to send players down to keep from getting rusty, not for actual development.

Aside from Langston Galloway, what other player has actually made it on to their nba roster (outside of a cameo apparence)since it's existence