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newyorker4ever
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11/18/2017  10:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/18/2017  10:20 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:KNicks are not thinking about stretch Noah. There is zero reason. For whatever reason the coach has had glowing things to say about the shape Noah is in an how well he's played in practice. Maybe its fluff.

Kanter and KOQ are playing well. Both will have value. Noah's value is that if the Knicks decide to move Kanter/KOQ for assets come trade deadline they can expect to get quality back up minutes from Noah. One option is they trade KOQ and let Willy/Noah fight for the backup minutes. Maybe they decide to trade Kanter if the deal is sweet enough.

Zero point in stretching Noah and Knicks are more certainly NOT thinking about that. The only time that will happen is if it directly allows them to sign/add a player they want. This is clearly not the case.

Very curious to see what the FO does with Kanter and KOQ for the next couple years. Kanter may opt in.

It depends on their timeline. If they think we are not going anywhere next couple of years than you keep him and take the $18 Million hit on cap for the last 2 years. If they think we can do something the next couple of years than you stretch him over 5 years this summer and reduce the cap hit to $7M a year for next 5 years. Allows us to add a decent player with the $11M left. We will find out. Either way, was not a very good contract Phil signed.


Whatever we do also has to have KP in mind. We need to make sure he's happy and is good with the direction of the team so we can get him re-signed. I know some teams keep their star players in the know on what the thinking is about any big moves and i have no problem if we did that with KP as long as it's not overdone to where KP is in on making actual decisions. Like if we were getting good offers for a guy like Willy who's obviously KP's best friend on the team i'd talk with KP before i just traded Willy. I'm not saying i'd let KP make that decision, i'm saying i'd let him know that we got an offer for Willy that will help this team more than Willy can.

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11/18/2017  10:38 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:On another board a poster linked an article about the Lakers are thinking about extending Deng contract then using the stretch provision. It would be a cool little loop hole to sneak through if a team can pull that off.
I think the Knicks would need to wait until the end of the season so that Noah was only owed 37 mil. But extending him for five years knocks his cap hit down to a little over 7 mil a year.
Article on what the Lskers are considering.
https://www.google.com/amp/thebiglead.com/2017/11/15/lebron-paul-george-lakers-luol-deng/amp/
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11/18/2017  1:36 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:KNicks are not thinking about stretch Noah. There is zero reason. For whatever reason the coach has had glowing things to say about the shape Noah is in an how well he's played in practice. Maybe its fluff.

Kanter and KOQ are playing well. Both will have value. Noah's value is that if the Knicks decide to move Kanter/KOQ for assets come trade deadline they can expect to get quality back up minutes from Noah. One option is they trade KOQ and let Willy/Noah fight for the backup minutes. Maybe they decide to trade Kanter if the deal is sweet enough.

Zero point in stretching Noah and Knicks are more certainly NOT thinking about that. The only time that will happen is if it directly allows them to sign/add a player they want. This is clearly not the case.

Very curious to see what the FO does with Kanter and KOQ for the next couple years. Kanter may opt in.

It depends on their timeline. If they think we are not going anywhere next couple of years than you keep him and take the $18 Million hit on cap for the last 2 years. If they think we can do something the next couple of years than you stretch him over 5 years this summer and reduce the cap hit to $7M a year for next 5 years. Allows us to add a decent player with the $11M left. We will find out. Either way, was not a very good contract Phil signed.


Whatever we do also has to have KP in mind. We need to make sure he's happy and is good with the direction of the team so we can get him re-signed. I know some teams keep their star players in the know on what the thinking is about any big moves and i have no problem if we did that with KP as long as it's not overdone to where KP is in on making actual decisions. Like if we were getting good offers for a guy like Willy who's obviously KP's best friend on the team i'd talk with KP before i just traded Willy. I'm not saying i'd let KP make that decision, i'm saying i'd let him know that we got an offer for Willy that will help this team more than Willy can.

Good Point. Was thinking the same when stating "It depends on their Timeline". KP may speed that up. I know some point to what he will be leaving on the table if he leaves. But he already said its not about the money.

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11/18/2017  3:53 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:If Noah was stretched half the league would be beating down his door.....

Who's beating down the door to sign a center who can't hit layups and can't stay healthy?

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11/18/2017  4:41 PM
VCoug wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:If Noah was stretched half the league would be beating down his door.....

Who's beating down the door to sign a center who can't hit layups and can't stay healthy?

On a vet minimum deal he would be a good signing. He is paid about 15 mil too much.

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11/18/2017  6:09 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:On another board a poster linked an article about the Lakers are thinking about extending Deng contract then using the stretch provision. It would be a cool little loop hole to sneak through if a team can pull that off.


This is actually pretty interesting from a thought discussion/resource management standpoint.

Deng is 32. Since the "extension" would add to his previous contract, signed before the advent of the "Over 38" rule, he's grandfathered in to the standards of the "Over 36 Rule" Meaning his max extension could only be 3 years.

The issue then becomes creating a contract that has no functional guaranteed money in it. That's the only way this works for the Lakers. It's functionally reducing his 36 million total cap hit across the two years into ELEVEN years. Which is roughly between 3-4 million a season. The problem is there's no reason for Deng to sign it, except to double dip, sign with Timberwolves on a vet minimum deal, and to basically circumvent the CBA and salary cap. An extension signed without any good faith to actually play out the extension is an open circumvention of the salary cap. The league would have no choice but to void the extension unless there was some guaranteed money in the extension. Incentive based contracts can only carry about 15 percent annually of not likely to be earned provisions ( which don't count against the cap, every other type of performance incentive does count against the cap)

Every team either in the tax zone or the repeater tax zone will demand the Lakers be punished under provisions in the CBA regarding salary cap manipulation/circumvention, which would essentially destroy any hope of LeBron James being a Laker.

Knicks thinking about stretching Noah.

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