newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:MEH! Golden State Warriors were losers until they weren't! This Knicks team isn't doomed because of Dolan. Dolan hasn't stopped KP, Willy or Kuz from performing well during Eurobasket. Dolan won't stop THJ, Nitty or Dotson from performing either. Either these players perform or they don't.

Mills, Perry and Jeff all have to do their jobs. It's not gonna be about Dolan at that point. Just the GM, Coaches and Players. The Knicks have some good talent to work with despite all the naysayers.

signing below average journey pg's, who were never good enough to secure long term contracts, is not the sign of a FO making power moves, or remotely focus on winning. I would have preferred marbury

Thank you for this. Yea.. lets rip the FO for inviting Jack to camp when you want Marbury. Good call.

well I'm not going to praise them for bringing to camp a past his prime pg coming off a season ending injury less than a yr ago.

The thing that pisses me off, is that everyone knew our PG situation was weak as hell, and should have been the focus this off season, especially if they knew Frankie wasn't a sure lock to start. We had a few options, and completely ignored them.

Again the relevant question is why?

You don't think they're any good anyway.

Idk what Frankie is capable of, but any success with this team starts and ends with the success of a pg

Because its a need do they pay for one at any cost? You have to name the options available and if the price made sense to fill the need. For the short and long term. For example Jrue Holiday got 5 yrs 125mil from the Pelicans or 25mil per yr.

He would have filled our need at PG. But at 5 yrs 25 mil don't think we could have afford that and even if we could would that have been a good move based on his injury history and long term contract at that price.

How about putting your name on some options the Knicks should have pursued given their situation instead.

I really don't know, rondo would have probably been my focus, but through out FA, they never made a solid attempt at any real back up.

Most thought one was destine to come via a melo trade,

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:MEH! Golden State Warriors were losers until they weren't! This Knicks team isn't doomed because of Dolan. Dolan hasn't stopped KP, Willy or Kuz from performing well during Eurobasket. Dolan won't stop THJ, Nitty or Dotson from performing either. Either these players perform or they don't.

Mills, Perry and Jeff all have to do their jobs. It's not gonna be about Dolan at that point. Just the GM, Coaches and Players. The Knicks have some good talent to work with despite all the naysayers.

signing below average journey pg's, who were never good enough to secure long term contracts, is not the sign of a FO making power moves, or remotely focus on winning. I would have preferred marbury

Thank you for this. Yea.. lets rip the FO for inviting Jack to camp when you want Marbury. Good call.

well I'm not going to praise them for bringing to camp a past his prime pg coming off a season ending injury less than a yr ago.

The thing that pisses me off, is that everyone knew our PG situation was weak as hell, and should have been the focus this off season, especially if they knew Frankie wasn't a sure lock to start. We had a few options, and completely ignored them.

Again the relevant question is why?

You don't think they're any good anyway.

Idk what Frankie is capable of, but any success with this team starts and ends with the success of a pg

Because its a need do they pay for one at any cost? You have to name the options available and if the price made sense to fill the need. For the short and long term. For example Jrue Holiday got 5 yrs 125mil from the Pelicans or 25mil per yr.

He would have filled our need at PG. But at 5 yrs 25 mil don't think we could have afford that and even if we could would that have been a good move based on his injury history and long term contract at that price.

How about putting your name on some options the Knicks should have pursued given their situation instead.

I really don't know, rondo would have probably been my focus, but through out FA, they never made a solid attempt at any real back up.

Most thought one was destine to come via a melo trade,

Here's an exercise you probably won't participate in.

Predict the Knicks record as currently constructed:

Predict the Knicks record as currently constructed but with Rondo instead of Sessions:

meloshouldgo wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:beasly
jack
sessions

The youth movement is in full effect, we got some journey players , some G league players, some 2nd rounders.
Mills is headed for exec of the yr

Think Sessions is going to be traded

And the punchline is? I'm not following the Knicks that closely right now but suggesting the Knicks can trade Sessions is a joke, right? They just overpaid him for a one year contract. They can drop him but I can't see them getting anything in return.

Finestrg wrote:.....Trey Burke could still blossom. Forget Kyle Lowry, how 'bout Jeremy Lin? No one thought too much of him until he was given a real chance and what happened? He bloomed...I think in our current situation, you take a chance on something like that. ....

Trey Burke got two full seasons worth of burn in Utah. He lacks true NBA level athleticism.

Jeremy Lin was basically a rookie on the Knicks. He was technically a 2nd year player, but barely played at all his rookie year. Once he got a chance, he exploded. He also has legit NBA level athleticism. His advanced sports science metrics put him close to on par with John Wall (no, he's not John Wall level of talent) in terms of burst and strength. Lin is also a pretty big guy and rangy. He can take a hit and give a hit ( he's simply not an agro type player, which shades his strength perception wise) Also he's Asian, which forms it's own judgement against him from others.

If someone said, OK, JaVale McGee in his 3rd or 4th year, might still "blossom", then sure. His physical tool set is/was off the charts. Though it's been proven in sports that you can't fix stupid. McGee is just plain stupid.

Burke is available for a reason. He's an "attack guard" who only thrives at a Quad A type level environment ( basically he'd torch the D League but would never get much traction at talent above that in the NBA) If you are going to be small, you need that extra gear, you need that burst above normal NBA grade athleticism.

Archie Goodwin was the ideal. Still young, CAN DEFEND, had a background with Hornacek. His biggest flaw ( shooting) is something proven to be a skill that can develop with time and hard work. But he's with the TrailBlazers. But he's on a camp deal and if they cut him, the Knicks should pounce.

Goodwin is more useful than Sessions, who is more useful than Jack, who is more useful than Burke. (not by much) Burke is also a very hard worker. So this is not a situation where the player needs to recalibrate his level of professionalism. (Shumpert might be a case for that here) None of these guys can really run an offense ( which is why they are available in the first place)

Jack is popular in his locker room, he is not however a good mentor/veteran from a playing standpoint. Andre Miller could show FrankN how to run an offense, Jack can't. You also have to mentor by example and Jack just is not that kind of player. He likes to ball hog and takes pretty bad shots. Tony Allen just signed with a team and frankly the Knicks should have IMHO, gone after him.

You never want to put a rookie in a position where often he will be the best wing defender on the floor. That's too much and too soon to properly develop a player.

Knicks have to be ready to dump Jack and / or Sessions if some D Leaguer starts to show upside.