knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

No.

"im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

That was your main point for creating this thread - that the rookies vote for ROY supported the idea that the Knicks, who you argue do not have a good track record with picks, made a mistake drafting Ntilikina.

This is obvious to anyone who has read it, as is the fact that you're now trying to walk it back.

you suggesting I'm taking a shot at the FO for their failing history when it comes to rookies, drafting them and developing. That's completely transparent, everyone knows this just by taking a look at the roster.

Now to suggest the knicks did a top notch job or a awful job selecting frank would be premature. We can only judge something on what has already transpired.

I'm not going to give the FO too much credit for KP, because he was the best left in his class when he was select(a straight no brainer), yes they did a solid job with willy, but I can say the same thing about landry fields, and tony douglas who had very solid rookie seasons..BUT WHAT HAPPEN TO THEM THE FOLLOWING SEASONS?

I'm pretty optimistic about franks potential, I just have little faith in the development process.

If KP was a straight no brainier. Then why was he booed on draft night?

FANs don't select picks

frank would have gotten booed too, but since the knicks did a good job with their previous foreign pick, they spared them..

people are scared off by the unknown, and unless you did some diligent research on either of those players, the avg person is going to be like who the fck is this guy?

So Fans viewpoints of prospect means little correct?

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

nixluva wrote:So now we should suddenly assume our Scouts and Front Office can't judge talent? After drafting KP and Willy they just fell alseep this last draft? Kid was playing meaningful games in a Pro League. Clearly he can play. We won't know just how good until he plays and fully develops but we know he can play!!!

Our track record over the last decade suggests that our FO can't judge talent

That would've been true no matter who they picked, including Smith.

I think Smith would have been called the steal of the draft no matter who took him. But it would have been interesting. Is he considered the nextSteve Francis if the Knicks take him?

Smith would have been a great pick for knicks. It demonstrates a bit of restrain for us to have drafted as we did. Ntilikina build is at just turned 19 is compelling. The kid is not a Dante Exum/Dennis Schroeder type. he is going to be thicker. Fans hopefully will be patient with him.

I thank the heavens we didn't draft the human highlight reel fools gold in Dennis smith jr. The guy is like Steve franchise, he knows how to fill a stat sheet, 1. he dose not make his teammates better, 2.not a natural born leader,3.takes plays off on defense,4.a questionable injury history.

One thing I will be thanking Phil for is building a great young core with KP,Willy,Frank.

Drafted DSJ would have been same old knicks before Phil.

I don't think people realize just how good frank is, he is a sharp shooting,lock down defender,with superior size for his position. Don't be surprised if he becomes hyped by the NBA after the first half like they did for KP

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

No.

"im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

That was your main point for creating this thread - that the rookies vote for ROY supported the idea that the Knicks, who you argue do not have a good track record with picks, made a mistake drafting Ntilikina.

This is obvious to anyone who has read it, as is the fact that you're now trying to walk it back.

you suggesting I'm taking a shot at the FO for their failing history when it comes to rookies, drafting them and developing.

No I'm not. As you note that isn't in question. I don't need to suggest it. And it isn't the point.

Now to suggest the knicks did a top notch job or a awful job selecting frank would be premature. We can only judge something on what has already transpired.

But that is exactly the point your OP. That Ntilikina not getting any votes by his peers supports the idea of the Knicks made a mistake. Stop pretending that wasn't your intention.

dude that was definitely not my intentions at all, if it was I would have stated that point blank. You never see me say anything bad about the pick. Obviously most people like to go with what they know(myself included), but I already know how the draft goes, it's a crap shoot.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

No.

"im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

That was your main point for creating this thread - that the rookies vote for ROY supported the idea that the Knicks, who you argue do not have a good track record with picks, made a mistake drafting Ntilikina.

This is obvious to anyone who has read it, as is the fact that you're now trying to walk it back.

you suggesting I'm taking a shot at the FO for their failing history when it comes to rookies, drafting them and developing.

No I'm not. As you note that isn't in question. I don't need to suggest it. And it isn't the point.

Now to suggest the knicks did a top notch job or a awful job selecting frank would be premature. We can only judge something on what has already transpired.

But that is exactly the point your OP. That Ntilikina not getting any votes by his peers supports the idea of the Knicks made a mistake. Stop pretending that wasn't your intention.

dude that was definitely not my intentions at all, if it was I would have stated that point blank.

What's the relevance of the rookie vote then?

You never see me say anything bad about the pick. Obviously most people like to go with what they know(myself included), but I already know how the draft goes, it's a crap shoot.

Then being "livid" about the pick not working out seems like a inconsistent position for someone who truly understands the draft.

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

No.

"im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

That was your main point for creating this thread - that the rookies vote for ROY supported the idea that the Knicks, who you argue do not have a good track record with picks, made a mistake drafting Ntilikina.

This is obvious to anyone who has read it, as is the fact that you're now trying to walk it back.

you suggesting I'm taking a shot at the FO for their failing history when it comes to rookies, drafting them and developing.

No I'm not. As you note that isn't in question. I don't need to suggest it. And it isn't the point.

Now to suggest the knicks did a top notch job or a awful job selecting frank would be premature. We can only judge something on what has already transpired.

But that is exactly the point your OP. That Ntilikina not getting any votes by his peers supports the idea of the Knicks made a mistake. Stop pretending that wasn't your intention.

dude that was definitely not my intentions at all, if it was I would have stated that point blank.

What's the relevance of the rookie vote then?

You never see me say anything bad about the pick. Obviously most people like to go with what they know(myself included), but I already know how the draft goes, it's a crap shoot.

Then being "livid" about the pick not working out seems like a inconsistent position for someone who truly understands the draft.

If you set out to do something and it doesn't work, most people would be upset, I'm saying livid because that would mean the Knicks didn't do their homework AGAIN

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

No.

"im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

That was your main point for creating this thread - that the rookies vote for ROY supported the idea that the Knicks, who you argue do not have a good track record with picks, made a mistake drafting Ntilikina.

This is obvious to anyone who has read it, as is the fact that you're now trying to walk it back.

you suggesting I'm taking a shot at the FO for their failing history when it comes to rookies, drafting them and developing.

No I'm not. As you note that isn't in question. I don't need to suggest it. And it isn't the point.

Now to suggest the knicks did a top notch job or a awful job selecting frank would be premature. We can only judge something on what has already transpired.

But that is exactly the point your OP. That Ntilikina not getting any votes by his peers supports the idea of the Knicks made a mistake. Stop pretending that wasn't your intention.

dude that was definitely not my intentions at all, if it was I would have stated that point blank.

What's the relevance of the rookie vote then?

You never see me say anything bad about the pick. Obviously most people like to go with what they know(myself included), but I already know how the draft goes, it's a crap shoot.

Then being "livid" about the pick not working out seems like a inconsistent position for someone who truly understands the draft.

If you set out to do something and it doesn't work, most people would be upset, I'm saying livid because that would mean the Knicks didn't do their homework AGAIN

So whats your timeline? Summerleague? Or you going to wait 20 games in?

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

No.

"im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

That was your main point for creating this thread - that the rookies vote for ROY supported the idea that the Knicks, who you argue do not have a good track record with picks, made a mistake drafting Ntilikina.

This is obvious to anyone who has read it, as is the fact that you're now trying to walk it back.

you suggesting I'm taking a shot at the FO for their failing history when it comes to rookies, drafting them and developing.

No I'm not. As you note that isn't in question. I don't need to suggest it. And it isn't the point.

Now to suggest the knicks did a top notch job or a awful job selecting frank would be premature. We can only judge something on what has already transpired.

But that is exactly the point your OP. That Ntilikina not getting any votes by his peers supports the idea of the Knicks made a mistake. Stop pretending that wasn't your intention.

dude that was definitely not my intentions at all, if it was I would have stated that point blank.

What's the relevance of the rookie vote then?

You never see me say anything bad about the pick. Obviously most people like to go with what they know(myself included), but I already know how the draft goes, it's a crap shoot.

Then being "livid" about the pick not working out seems like a inconsistent position for someone who truly understands the draft.

If you set out to do something and it doesn't work, most people would be upset, I'm saying livid because that would mean the Knicks didn't do their homework AGAIN

So whats your timeline? Summerleague? Or you going to wait 20 games in?

to me you have to see improvement over the course of the season, that would indicate 3 things

1)his work ethic is solid
2)coaching staff is doing a good job developing him
3)the FO is putting the right players around him

winning helps a lot, because your developing good habits.

defining my use of the term crap shoot, is basically stating there isn't enough evidence to determine if this player has the ability to max out is potential of even live up to it.

the core (curry, klay, and green) of the GSW HAS GIVEN MORE CREDIT TO MARK JACKSON, THEN STEVE kerr in helping them develop and playing smart

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

No.

"im going to be livid if this kid is a major project"

That was your main point for creating this thread - that the rookies vote for ROY supported the idea that the Knicks, who you argue do not have a good track record with picks, made a mistake drafting Ntilikina.

This is obvious to anyone who has read it, as is the fact that you're now trying to walk it back.

you suggesting I'm taking a shot at the FO for their failing history when it comes to rookies, drafting them and developing.

No I'm not. As you note that isn't in question. I don't need to suggest it. And it isn't the point.

Now to suggest the knicks did a top notch job or a awful job selecting frank would be premature. We can only judge something on what has already transpired.

But that is exactly the point your OP. That Ntilikina not getting any votes by his peers supports the idea of the Knicks made a mistake. Stop pretending that wasn't your intention.

dude that was definitely not my intentions at all, if it was I would have stated that point blank.

What's the relevance of the rookie vote then?

You never see me say anything bad about the pick. Obviously most people like to go with what they know(myself included), but I already know how the draft goes, it's a crap shoot.

Then being "livid" about the pick not working out seems like a inconsistent position for someone who truly understands the draft.

If you set out to do something and it doesn't work, most people would be upset, I'm saying livid because that would mean the Knicks didn't do their homework AGAIN

So whats your timeline? Summerleague? Or you going to wait 20 games in?

to me you have to see improvement over the course of the season, that would indicate 3 things

1)his work ethic is solid
2)coaching staff is doing a good job developing him
3)the FO is putting the right players around him

winning helps a lot, because your developing good habits.

defining my use of the term crap shoot, is basically stating there isn't enough evidence to determine if this player has the ability to max out is potential of even live up to it.

the core (curry, klay, and green) of the GSW HAS GIVEN MORE CREDIT TO MARK JACKSON, THEN STEVE kerr in helping them develop and playing smart

Why did they fire him?

are you kidding me dude, his relationship with everybody in the organization(except his players) was as rocky as a coble stone street.. you don't remember the scalabrine demotion..heres a little more info.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/12/6/7344165/mark-jackson-warriors-reasons-joe-lacob

Part of it was that he couldn't get along with anybody else in the organization," Lacob said. "And look, he did a great job, and I'll always compliment him in many respects, but you can't have 200 people in the organization not like you."

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol