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Knixkik
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8/24/2017  9:33 AM
TLover wrote:Frankie playing in high level euro competition should hopefully allow him to start.

G: Frankie
G: THJr
F: C.Lee
F: Melo
C: KP

Lets see how Hornacek manages the line-up.. he basically has a one year trial period.

This is how i see it as well. Willy will be 6th man and play 25-30 mpg off the bench.
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8/24/2017  5:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/24/2017  5:29 PM
I see this:

KP
Willy
Melo
THjr
Ntilikina

Obviously Frank has to earn the starting spot. But I just as soon let him grow into it.
Sessions, KOQ, Clee, Baker, Kuz and Lance.....Not in that order but thats my 11 man rotation.
If this team starts off well, Noah off the bench.
If not, Noah Starts. This of course is after his suspension.

I never see Melo at the 4. He played it very sparingly and I don't see him either being receptive to it, or knicks wanting him there.
Nalod has not writen off Noah at all. I don't see him as a long term solution to anything but Im a fan, he is talented, and sometimes players go thru rough stretches. Sometimes they never come out of it.
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8/24/2017  9:56 PM
TLover wrote:Frankie playing in high level euro competition should hopefully allow him to start.

G: Frankie
G: THJr
F: C.Lee
F: Melo
C: KP

Lets see how Hornacek manages the line-up.. he basically has a one year trial period.

Knicks are sort of boxed in here.

Zinger has to start. The team wants to build around him.

Melo has to start. Benching him will be seen as trying to leverage him to waive his NTC. As long as Melo is healthy, he has to start. While I think Jackson ripping Melo in the press was the technically correct decision to try to drive him to waive his NTC, the fall out now is this situation.

Hardaway Jr has to start. They didn't lob money at him to let him be a bench player. Not to start.

Courtney Lee HAS to start. Knicks will want to trade him by the deadline or earlier. In order to max his trade value, they'll have to try to feature him a bit.

Situations A, B and C

A - Sessions is the 5th starter, Zinger plays C and Melo plays PF

B) - Noah is the ceremonial starter at C, Zinger is the PF, Melo is the SF/Wing/3, the offense will have to run through Zinger

C) - Somehow, they convince THJr he's a 6th man, and Lee and Sessions start at the guards, with Melo at the 3, Zinger at the 4 and Hernangomez starting at center.

The problem is the lineup that will be the most competitive would be

C - Zinger
Positionless Wing - THJr
Combo Guard A - Baker
Combo Guard B - Ntilikina
Combo Guard C - CLee

Most lineup variables has the Knicks getting torched because of their defense. The above is the one IMHO that would cause the least amount of defensive damage to the team.
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8/25/2017  9:04 AM
So since they are not part of the Knicks ticket promo, let Melo and Leecome off the bench.
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8/26/2017  11:05 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
TLover wrote:Frankie playing in high level euro competition should hopefully allow him to start.

G: Frankie
G: THJr
F: C.Lee
F: Melo
C: KP

Lets see how Hornacek manages the line-up.. he basically has a one year trial period.

Knicks are sort of boxed in here.

Zinger has to start. The team wants to build around him.

Melo has to start. Benching him will be seen as trying to leverage him to waive his NTC. As long as Melo is healthy, he has to start. While I think Jackson ripping Melo in the press was the technically correct decision to try to drive him to waive his NTC, the fall out now is this situation.

Hardaway Jr has to start. They didn't lob money at him to let him be a bench player. Not to start.

Courtney Lee HAS to start. Knicks will want to trade him by the deadline or earlier. In order to max his trade value, they'll have to try to feature him a bit.

Situations A, B and C

A - Sessions is the 5th starter, Zinger plays C and Melo plays PF

B) - Noah is the ceremonial starter at C, Zinger is the PF, Melo is the SF/Wing/3, the offense will have to run through Zinger

C) - Somehow, they convince THJr he's a 6th man, and Lee and Sessions start at the guards, with Melo at the 3, Zinger at the 4 and Hernangomez starting at center.

The problem is the lineup that will be the most competitive would be

C - Zinger
Positionless Wing - THJr
Combo Guard A - Baker
Combo Guard B - Ntilikina
Combo Guard C - CLee

Most lineup variables has the Knicks getting torched because of their defense. The above is the one IMHO that would cause the least amount of defensive damage to the team.


Why does Lee have to start? He just needs minutes to showcase his skills as a 3 and D wing. His value will stay the same at 20 mins as it will at 30 mins. The Knicks will easily be able to flip to him to a playoff team, assuming he doesn't suddenly hit the wall. I wish I could say the same for Noah.
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8/26/2017  3:19 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Why does Lee have to start? He just needs minutes to showcase his skills as a 3 and D wing. His value will stay the same at 20 mins as it will at 30 mins. The Knicks will easily be able to flip to him to a playoff team, assuming he doesn't suddenly hit the wall. I wish I could say the same for Noah.


The problem with Lee is not this year, but the last two years of his deal. Showing he is starter capable means his "window" of productivity will be, in theory, longer, as he can transition to a reserve. Keeping him as a reserve now will lend the perception that his next step will be as a fringe rotation guy.

Increasing his minutes and stats only help the Knicks cause to trade him. Teams will also want to see Lee is durable enough to start if it came to that for him. And frankly, the Knicks badly need his defense anyway.

Sessions is a ball hog at times. Melo is a ball hog extreme. Zinger needs massive touches for his talent and development. Beasley never met a shot he did not like. Lee doesn't need the ball in his hands to contribute and the Knicks need more guys like him ( but not as his age/cost/contract structure)

Lee's value plummets the longer he stays a Knick. They signed him to a 4 year deal when practically a team making a good market based decision would have only offered him two. I recognize some people here say he had other deals on the table, but the sad reality is the Knicks only get guys in FA usually through longer deals or higher AAA or both.

The cap is no longer rising. The top heavy orientation of the playoffs means fewer playoff games and less revenue and thus a lower cap than projected. Meaning more teams will be caplocked after two offseasons of massive money to spend with no smoothing option. Lee's open cap space if the Knicks can free it up is critical. There are going to be some bargains next offseason in FA. Tier 3 guys will have to take Tier 4/5 money. The Knicks can't take advantage if they are locked up in Noah/Lee/Melo, etc.
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