CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.

Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that

Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.

You can't blame players for exercising their rights.

The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.

It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.

Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.

Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.

The bolded is funny. Phil did not want the Knick job and didn't agree to it until the money became too much to turn down. His entire tenure it was speculated that he was just getting a money grab. After he signed the extension he upped the dysfunction for a month and a half and then went back to Montana with 24 mil.

Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.

No but if he wears a Knick uniform next year Knick fans should boo him every time he touches the ball

Jmpasq wrote:

Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.

No but if he wears a Knick uniform next year Knick fans should boo him every time he touches the ball

Keep dreamin.

mlby1215 wrote:And the NTC topic. My mind is already beyond that. I don't hate him using his NTC. It is good. Come back Mr. Melo. Our shi t team needs you. Please play 48 mins and lose every game with us. We like your style. If you don't get traded, you will turn into a negative guy again. You will destroy everything. We like it. We want it. Next pick will be very great.

Meanwhile, two years later. You can be a free agent, and six years in a row without getting into any playoff game probably will hurt your next contract. But it is okay, we would have two more very good young players already. As a Knicks fan, we are doomed to be a loser. We really want to invite you to join with us, since you don't deserve better.

In before "you can't treat a HOFer like that!", no, I don't want to bench him. I want to see Melo playing every game, every single game. I want him to shot every time, every single time. I want him to earn his every single penny by playing. If he can also dance with dancers at half time, better. I would really enjoy watching every single moment of him.

That's actually not funny at all but a great point. If he stays and plays our rebuilding goes into an overdrive and we get another high pick. I kinda like it !!!

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.

Fair enough, do you also agree the Knicks have every right to not trade him and to ask him to stay home as long as they pay him the money?

nyknickzingis wrote:All you do is allow Melo to come back and play a 24 to 28 minutes a night role while young players are developed.
What's funny is everyone blamed Phil for Melo going out.
Yet now Phil is gone, and Melo wants out more than ever.
Shows Melo was always full of BS with the I'm committed to NY card.
He was always ok with leaving, he just didn't want to lose the battle to Phil.
Once Phil is gone, Melo is pushing so hard to go.

Allow me to introduce you to the NY Knicks front office/owner. Now, do you still have questions on why he wants out of here? If KP is next, will he be full if BS too?

http://nypost.com/2017/06/18/jeanie-buss-gets-emotional-talking-about-phil-jackson-split/

Do you know what he should have done at the time? Opt out the knicks contract, and go back LA to be the prez of Lakers. Jennie Buss was planning a coup and shed needed every single authority from basketball guys because she was totally on the business side. Phil would be the perfect guy she needed. He won 5 champs there and she trusted him with all her heart.

And you know what? he didn't opt out and even broke up with his love at 71 years old! Was he crazy? LA is a super rich team and she is very powerful there. He would not have less money AND power.

Instead he just did the stupid thing. He wanted to finish this. He wanted to help Knicks, and he got fired.

This is totally okay Melo looking for money. It is his right. It is totally ok to fck other women, it is his dick. But don't compare these two guys on loyalty to their team or to their woman. Melo kicked Knicks away the moment he knew Harden and CP3 were waiting him to form another super team. People compare this dude to Phil?

Melo is all smartness. He has always done everything good for him.

Phil Jackson is all stubborn. He was a old new yorker. The future is grim and he probably die but he still goes on.

Whoever wants to defend Melo, REMEMBER one thing.

He doesn't even need or want you to be his fan. He knows he will has a lot of fans in Houston.

Welpee wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.

Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that

Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.

You can't blame players for exercising their rights.

The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.

It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.

Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.

Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.

The bolded is funny. Phil did not want the Knick job and didn't agree to it until the money became too much to turn down. His entire tenure it was speculated that he was just getting a money grab. After he signed the extension he upped the dysfunction for a month and a half and then went back to Montana with 24 mil.

Phil falling asleep during pre-draft workouts is a bigger indication of him just being in it to manage his paycheck than anything Melo ever did.

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.

Fair enough, do you also agree the Knicks have every right to not trade him and to ask him to stay home as long as they pay him the money?

I am not sure if that is ethical. It would appear that he was being punished for not waiving the NTC Phil gave him. Also, Melo is vp in the player's association so there is a good chance his union would get involved. I think you could change his role, give him less minutes, make him sixth man etc. The best approach is probably to meet with him, tell him a Houston trade isn't happening, see if he wants to add teams that he would waive his NTCfor, and discuss his role on the team.

There is absolutely nothing unethical about it. Appearances be damned. The media rips us 3 times a day, maybe they'll start ripping us 5 times a day instead. The players Union can't do ****. What are they gonna do? Sure Dolan? Let'em.

mlby1215 wrote:What is that when he REFUSED to go back to Laker?

http://nypost.com/2017/06/18/jeanie-buss-gets-emotional-talking-about-phil-jackson-split/

Do you know what he should have done at the time? Opt out the knicks contract, and go back LA to be the prez of Lakers. Jennie Buss was planning a coup and shed needed every single authority from basketball guys because she was totally on the business side. Phil would be the perfect guy she needed. He won 5 champs there and she trusted him with all her heart.

And you know what? he didn't opt out and even broke up with his love at 71 years old! Were he crazy? LA is a super rich team and she is very powerful there. He would not have less money AND power.

Instead he just did the stupid thing. He wanted to finish this. He wanted to help Knicks, and he got fired.

This is totally okay Melo looking for money. It is his right. It is totally ok to fck other women, it is his dick. But don't compare these two guys on loyalty to their team or to their woman. Melo kicked Knicks away the moment he knew Harden and CP3 were waiting him to form another super team. People compare this dude to Phil?

Melo is all smartness. He has always done everything good for him.

Phil Jackson is all stubborn. He was a old new yorker. The future is grim and he probably die but he still goes on.

Whoever wants to defend Melo, REMEMBER one thing.

He doesn't even need or want you to be his fan. He knows he will has a lot of fans in Houston.

Welpee wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:How is it being a diva if he has a NTC and elects to use it? Whether we like it or not he has every right to exercise it. He is under no obligation to waive it to appease knick fans. If anything direct your anger at Phil for agreeing to give him that option.

Cmon it's bad enough his list only had 2 teams on it, now your narrowing it down to one forcing the knicks to take bad contacts and low draft picks. If im mills 2 can play this game, you wanna exercise your NTC, were are going to exercise our right not to even trade you..take that

Again, who gave him that leverage? He could say he's rejecting all trades. Fans seem to resent players having any say so over their career. Guess they wish we were in 1960s where players were just property and had no input on happened in their career.

You can't blame players for exercising their rights.

The guy who gave him that contract was Jackson who believed (and said so at the time) that he thought Melo would become one of the greats under his guidance AND if the time ever came to parts ways, he [Jackson] felt comfortable, based on contract negotiations, that he and Melo could work out a better situation.

It should be clear who was deceiving who by now but don't let me stop you - carry on.

Melo was deceptive. Phil was stupid.

Phil was overly confident in his own ability to mold Carmelo. Carmelo, as he had done time and time again, was disingenuous - he wasn't signing to play basketball, he was signing to manage his paycheck.

The bolded is funny. Phil did not want the Knick job and didn't agree to it until the money became too much to turn down. His entire tenure it was speculated that he was just getting a money grab. After he signed the extension he upped the dysfunction for a month and a half and then went back to Montana with 24 mil.

Phil falling asleep during pre-draft workouts is a bigger indication of him just being in it to manage his paycheck than anything Melo ever did.

Phil will go down as our greatest President ever when KP, Frank, Willy, Baker and Dotson turn us into champions. It's not that far off.

Paris907 wrote:Reason # 1. He will taint the younger players and turn them against management and horny. He's bad news!

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Paris907 wrote:Reason # 1. He will taint the younger players and turn them against management and horny. He's bad news!

Unless you trade/release everyone from last years team I think you are going to have to expect a distrust of Jeff and management. I think that has a chance of being fixed but I don't think it just goes away with Melo being gone. Also, I don't know what Rambis is still doing on the bench. Is there another assistant coach in the nba that the players on the team reportedly hate? I know players hate head coaches sometimes but I can't think of a situation where it was known that players hated an assistant coach.

This is some Team Melo BS Propaganda!!! You don't know that the TEAM had issues with Jeff. You don't know that the TEAM had issues with Rambis. IMO this stuff smells of Team Melo trying to tarnish things going thru the Media. Stop repeating this TRASH.

One who think team Melo do not have a couple of moles posting here on UK he have to be naive.
His propaganda machine is strong and there is no better place that this board to put message through to fans.