Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

I have to disagree. You can take whatever opportunity you want, but while you are in my employ, I can and should expect 100% loyalty from you. You should never do anything that compromises my reputation or my ability to attain my goals and you are expected to put those ahead of your own goals when there is a conflict between the two. This is basic unwritten code of conduct for any professional. You have to do the right thing for the organization EVEN if it costs you personal gains. If you don't like that you can and should move to a different organization.

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. its a moral issue

Im thinking this is the reboot of "Orangeblobman". He did his time, got a small business of his own, meds are working and things more organized?

Perhaps I am being sentimental.

Allanfan20 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

I have to disagree. You can take whatever opportunity you want, but while you are in my employ, I can and should expect 100% loyalty from you. You should never do anything that compromises my reputation or my ability to attain my goals and you are expected to put those ahead of your own goals when there is a conflict between the two. This is basic unwritten code of conduct for any professional. You have to do the right thing for the organization EVEN if it costs you personal gains. If you don't like that you can and should move to a different organization.

That's not loyalty. That's being a good worker. Loyalty is sticking with someone through thick and thin no matter what the circumstances are. If you are a smart business owner, you should show no such loyalty to your employees and therefore, they shouldn't provide that back to you.

Ok so maybe loyalty was the wrong word, but that's the essence of what I find most disturbing about Melo

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Are you asking Melo to show loyalty? If yes, that is silly.

Loyalty is for fans. Business and loyalty don't mix.

Who says there's no loyalty in business? Business relations are relationships like any other.

As a business owner with performers under me, my core people that I employ bleed the colors of my business. And if they don't, then it's time to move on from them. That's how you build a solid culture. From the top down.

When you have a leader on the court like Melo who is the ultimate selfish guy, it spreads to the guys following and watching him lead.

And if those workers beneath you find a better opportunity in life, they will and should take it. Being a good worker and being loyal are 2 separate things.

Same thing in any other situation then.

Why shouldn't your wife take an offer for a night with Leo DiCaprio under the same logic(or just some other rich handsome famous guy) if it's in her best interest? That's a better opportunity in life and you don't believe in loyalty.

How about if she actively talks to you about wantin to updgrade from you. You're not mad right, it's in her best interests.

yea you know.... taking a good job and phucking other dudes, its basically the same.

Lmao. Classic

GustavBahler wrote:Company says they want you to **** off, you're too old, and a bad influence. You mean that kind of loyalty?

No, the type of loyalty where the boss ignores you in favor of the pretty girls because they send hom pics of there boobs and ars. That type of loyalty.

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:

fishmike wrote:yea.. its a moral issue

Im thinking this is the reboot of "Orangeblobman". He did his time, got a small business of his own, meds are working and things more organized?

Perhaps I am being sentimental.

Na.. blob was irrational but not a douche, at least as far as I remember

GustavBahler wrote:Company says they want you to **** off, you're too old, and a bad influence. You mean that kind of loyalty?

Fact is that is not the truth.

It's the fact that his game isn't conducive to team ball and he's made moves to undermine the front office before.

Melo could of been a great mentor to the next generation but instead he's a cancer.

And it's not like the Knicks are backing out of the contract. They pay him whether they want him to play or not. So woe is Melo. Worst case scenario he gets paid thousands per night to take the night off. That's the worst case scenario for all parties which is still awesome for Melo.

mlby1215 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:Playing defense and taking pride in it and putting in max effort on that side of the floor only enhances your value as a player.

I don't think he didn't want to be a defense-plus player. It is just that his endurance no longer allows him to. Defending NBA talents are super draining and your offense has to suffer when your condition is bad, and Melo's condition is not very great these years. Even most loyal Melo fans can admit he could get little bit thinner. It is like Kobe in his last year. He was a elite defender all of his basketball life, but at the very end he had no defense. The reason is that Kobe had to save his energy on offense.

Then it comes to a problem that why Melo cares so much about his offense? He had KP. He had Rose. He could have taken backseat and gone to be a defense-plus player. Every great offense players can be at least good defense player because they just know all the tricks of offense.

He didn't want to. Maybe he thought he didn't want to be the sidekick of Rose. There is no shame to be that way. One day, LBJ will be the sidekick of Kyrie Irving too. It is just the life of humans. Father Time rules us all.

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

I can tell you something. Melo never suffered anything for his defense. Why? Because his "sources" will defend him instead. If he plays no defense, then

1. Rambis sucks. He only knows how to yell.
2. Phils sucks. He only calls him out so Melo is dis-encouraged.
3. Rose sucks. He doesn't play defense.
4. Noah sucks. He....well...he is defense-plus but he sucks too!! 72mil!!LOLL
5. Knicks sucks too. The organization is awful.
6. Dolan of course sucks!!
7. MDA doesn't know defense...doesn't matter. He is gone.
8. Karl is a snake.
9. Lin is a role player, at BEST!!

I mean, is there any NBA player in this world like Melo? His fans talk so high of him (the super super sure fire HOLer) but has so low expectation for him (everything is not his fault because etc etc etc)?

In New York, people don't live in reality. They kind of live in a alternative reality created by NY media. They control the narrative, then they control the reality. Rose looked like Melo. He was all offense no defense. But only Rose got blamed. Why? Because Melo has friends in NY media and Rose is an outsider.

Melo is 32, but Rose is 28. Melo at his best was the 3rd MVP but Rose was the one actually won it. But who cares? The media was at Melo's side, and everyone else is bad and toxic. I mean, did any NY media guy blame Melo that he was not faithful to his wife? Did anyone point out that he lied that he has to be close to his son? Of course not because he didn't say it. His "sources" said it. Very clever.

Melo is more successful in basketball politics. He killed MDA (two times Coach of the year), Lin, Rambis (6 rings) and Phil (13 rings). I don't know what he has accomplished in his basketball life other than grouping with other all-stars to beat other guys around the world. A good man, sure. A gentleman, no question. Probably a nice friend too. But he can not be trusted to lead a team, but he always wants to be the leader.

The cycle is always like that

1. Melo is a special weapon. we have to design a special team for him.
2. Because he is not very interested in playing defense, the best strategy is to find 4 defense guys around him
3. It is all good until people realize he can't play 48 mins every game. NO HUMAN CAN.
4. The team balance is wrong. When Melo is sitting. The team is very awful because there are all defense no offense. The guy backing up Melo is not Melo.
5. Of course, his on/off is very good because the team is designed for him and cannot function without him.
6. Okay, let us find some guys to help him. Some instant offense guys, someone who can space the floor, like Bargnani, or Rose.
7. Suddenly there are holes anywhere. The team play no defense. Melo is frustrated.
8. Some guys got fired.
9. Oh poor Melo. No one helped him.

It is good he wants to goes away. To be honest, he destroyed the team, why does he want to come back? No way. Melo is all for himself.

Excellent summary. What is always overlooked in the "Melo was never surrounded by..." arguments is that he was more than once surrounded by excellent talent enough to make the playoffs and never raised his game or made his teammates better. In fact the argument itself is a passive-aggressive form of throwing his teammates under the bus to make himself look better as a victim.

I'm quite comfortable watching him twist in the wind - its what he's put the fans through more than once. Turnabout is fair play.