knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

when are you going to understand 2 things

1)75% of NBA players are not playing on the team that drafted them

2)Tanking never works, like ever..

Go tell that to Cavs, Spurs and Houston and so many other countless teams. It works.

ekstarks94 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Sinix wrote:You can basically sum it up as- the new york knicks swamp got him. It was a few factions tied to the old ways of the Knicks that came together to push him out.

He had to be pushed out.....he played out his frustration with KP for the world to see as opposed to doing it in house. It is like having your wife hand you divorce papers and you have a meltdown in a meeting with your bosses and peers...I do not care what people say to you consoling you....you are damaged goods.....His triangle was not going to be here after he left...no one would carry that torch...so why waste another 2 years as he burns down the house and walks out...better to cut bait and start afresh now...

1) draft picks in hand
2) KP, Willy, Frank Nitty
3) Melo trade on deck

You sound like a New York tabloid.

Porzingis skipping the exit meeting and not facing repercussions is exactly what I mean by the swamp. Players have no accountability with Dolan's squad.

KP outburst was a symptom to a much larger issue....think about....

3 coaches in 2 years...
The best player at war with the front office....forget who is right or wrong.....
More emphasis on a system of play than recognizing whether the org can win with the system regardless of players...

KP should have repercussions...in house....not on NBA TV and ESPN...

I heard they couldn't even get him to return a phone call.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

Once again hindsight being 20/20. That team on paper looks very good everyone when these trades went down were singing their praises. You being a negative Nancy always think it's bad. You get a DPOY and former MVP. They were playing average basketball before it fell apart. Was that manipulation by Phil that it went down like that maybe. When a team is bad you have to take risks and Phil did that. You guys harp on bad contracts they really aren't stifling the Knicks big time FAs don't come here.

You know what hindsight means? It's not hindsight if you called it in advance.

You called it you call nothing you just take a negative stance a roll with it. Let see how good you are take a trade of another team and analyze it and see how accurate you are. You never predict a good deal. What did Bulls get out of their deal with the Knicks? They are in Rebuild they got nothing out of it too. It was a damn sideways trade.

Tell me about the THJ signing what are your thoughts in favor or not? I'm gonna ask you you another simple question that you have an answer all ready. What don't you like about it?

Bonn I like your stats and advanced stats that you bring to the table you never suggest players that are available. You don't even think about what it would cost to get the type of players you suggest.

My last question to you give me the positive of the Knicks? Call it.

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

Once again hindsight being 20/20. That team on paper looks very good everyone when these trades went down were singing their praises. You being a negative Nancy always think it's bad. You get a DPOY and former MVP. They were playing average basketball before it fell apart. Was that manipulation by Phil that it went down like that maybe. When a team is bad you have to take risks and Phil did that. You guys harp on bad contracts they really aren't stifling the Knicks big time FAs don't come here.

You don't give Noah a 4 yr 72 million dollar deal when you are trying to tank! You don't give Lee a 4yr 50 million dollar deal when you are trying to tank! You dont bring in Rose for a tank! You dont add the previously mention players to team up with Melo who was given the NTC if you are trying to tank! You add them when you are trying to win now!

You are the one that said we don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. Neither does phil!

Obviously Phil wasn't trying to tank. He just messed up so bad that we got high picks. It's like accidentally banking a jump shot in.
And the claim that no FAs would have signed here anyway has no bearing on whether he should have signed guys like Noah, Melo, Lee, etc. Imagine how many picks we could have gotten as compensation for taking on $300 mil in bad contracts instead of giving out $300 mil in bad contracts?! The Nets just got 2 picks for taking back $30 mil!

pretty much! This idea that phil was rebuilding is a myth...

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

Once again hindsight being 20/20. That team on paper looks very good everyone when these trades went down were singing their praises. You being a negative Nancy always think it's bad. You get a DPOY and former MVP. They were playing average basketball before it fell apart. Was that manipulation by Phil that it went down like that maybe. When a team is bad you have to take risks and Phil did that. You guys harp on bad contracts they really aren't stifling the Knicks big time FAs don't come here.

You know what hindsight means? It's not hindsight if you called it in advance.

You called it you call nothing you just take a negative stance a roll with it. Let see how good you are take a trade of another team and analyze it and see how accurate you are. You never predict a good deal. What did Bulls get out of their deal with the Knicks? They are in Rebuild they got nothing out of it too. It was a damn sideways trade.

Tell me about the THJ signing what are your thoughts in favor or not? I'm gonna ask you you another simple question that you have an answer all ready. What don't you like about it?

Bonn I like your stats and advanced stats that you bring to the table you never suggest players that are available. You don't even think about what it would cost to get the type of players you suggest.

My last question to you give me the positive of the Knicks? Call it.

Bonn is not the only one who didn't like the Rose trade or any other trade besides the Hernangomez, Hardaway, and Prigs trade.

Also, he actually is okay with the Hardaway signing.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

Once again hindsight being 20/20. That team on paper looks very good everyone when these trades went down were singing their praises. You being a negative Nancy always think it's bad. You get a DPOY and former MVP. They were playing average basketball before it fell apart. Was that manipulation by Phil that it went down like that maybe. When a team is bad you have to take risks and Phil did that. You guys harp on bad contracts they really aren't stifling the Knicks big time FAs don't come here.

You know what hindsight means? It's not hindsight if you called it in advance.

You called it you call nothing you just take a negative stance a roll with it. Let see how good you are take a trade of another team and analyze it and see how accurate you are. You never predict a good deal. What did Bulls get out of their deal with the Knicks? They are in Rebuild they got nothing out of it too. It was a damn sideways trade.

Tell me about the THJ signing what are your thoughts in favor or not? I'm gonna ask you you another simple question that you have an answer all ready. What don't you like about it?

Bonn I like your stats and advanced stats that you bring to the table you never suggest players that are available. You don't even think about what it would cost to get the type of players you suggest.

My last question to you give me the positive of the Knicks? Call it.

Bonn is not the only one who didn't like the Rose trade or any other trade besides the Hernangomez, Hardaway, and Prigs trade.

Also, he actually is okay with the Hardaway signing.

Let Bonn answer it.

Vmart wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

Once again hindsight being 20/20. That team on paper looks very good everyone when these trades went down were singing their praises. You being a negative Nancy always think it's bad. You get a DPOY and former MVP. They were playing average basketball before it fell apart. Was that manipulation by Phil that it went down like that maybe. When a team is bad you have to take risks and Phil did that. You guys harp on bad contracts they really aren't stifling the Knicks big time FAs don't come here.

You know what hindsight means? It's not hindsight if you called it in advance.

You called it you call nothing you just take a negative stance a roll with it. Let see how good you are take a trade of another team and analyze it and see how accurate you are. You never predict a good deal. What did Bulls get out of their deal with the Knicks? They are in Rebuild they got nothing out of it too. It was a damn sideways trade.

Tell me about the THJ signing what are your thoughts in favor or not? I'm gonna ask you you another simple question that you have an answer all ready. What don't you like about it?

Bonn I like your stats and advanced stats that you bring to the table you never suggest players that are available. You don't even think about what it would cost to get the type of players you suggest.

My last question to you give me the positive of the Knicks? Call it.

Bonn is not the only one who didn't like the Rose trade or any other trade besides the Hernangomez, Hardaway, and Prigs trade.

Also, he actually is okay with the Hardaway signing.

Let Bonn answer it.

Bonn's got "Surrogates"!!!!

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:He was fired because of a witch hunt lead by Daily News and ESPN nothing more nothing less.

I agree, I don't think him having the worst record in the NBA since he became president, had anything to do with it, Dolan is super cool with that.

Just bringing THJ back for gazillion dollars, is a bitch slap in the face to phil..

After conducting an external search for a new president of basketball operations, current general manager and de facto interim team president Steve Mills is reportedly being tabbed by Knicks owner James Dolan to remain president on a permanent basis, sources told New York Post's Marc Berman.

Mills had previously spent one season as the Knicks' president, but conceded those duties when Phil Jackson was brought on board in March 2014. He stayed on as general manager under Jackson for the past three seasons, co-piloting an organization that went 80-166 from 2014-17. With Jackson and the team agreeing to part ways three years into a five-year contract, Mills is evidently back in the driver's seat for the president role.

How come you guys don't understand the concept of tanking to get talent. It's part of the process to getting back to becoming good.

Please clarify...Are you trying to say that the 80-166 record under phils watch was because he was tanking to acquire talent?

He made terrible signings to try to tank too. Let's give Noah and Lee max contract extensions so we can tank some more!

Once again hindsight being 20/20. That team on paper looks very good everyone when these trades went down were singing their praises. You being a negative Nancy always think it's bad. You get a DPOY and former MVP. They were playing average basketball before it fell apart. Was that manipulation by Phil that it went down like that maybe. When a team is bad you have to take risks and Phil did that. You guys harp on bad contracts they really aren't stifling the Knicks big time FAs don't come here.

You know what hindsight means? It's not hindsight if you called it in advance.

You called it you call nothing you just take a negative stance a roll with it. Let see how good you are take a trade of another team and analyze it and see how accurate you are. You never predict a good deal. What did Bulls get out of their deal with the Knicks? They are in Rebuild they got nothing out of it too. It was a damn sideways trade.

Tell me about the THJ signing what are your thoughts in favor or not? I'm gonna ask you you another simple question that you have an answer all ready. What don't you like about it?

Bonn I like your stats and advanced stats that you bring to the table you never suggest players that are available. You don't even think about what it would cost to get the type of players you suggest.

My last question to you give me the positive of the Knicks? Call it.

Bonn is not the only one who didn't like the Rose trade or any other trade besides the Hernangomez, Hardaway, and Prigs trade.

Also, he actually is okay with the Hardaway signing.

Yeah, I'm OK with the Hardaway signing. I gave it a C+. I gave Phil credit like a thousand times for drafting KP and Willy. IDK what VMart is smoking. It doesn't matter what I think anyway. Virtually every statistical model was clear in advance that the rosters Phil put together were unlikely to win. The teams looked good on paper only to people who don't know what a good team looks like.

There were statistics that were positive. Phil gave the illusion of trying to win when in reality it was the perfect tank and it came with a caveat two expiring deals. Holiday and Rose the positive of the trade. Which was turned back into Hardaway. He kept flexibility.

While I see Noah as a bad signing I see the positives of Noah they are the intangible variety. Noah is necessary for KP, WH and O'quin. Noah thinks the game and that is something that they need to learn making passes and rebound. KP isn't a great passer or rebounder Noah helps and you can see WH making passes. This is the Noah effect. Bad contract but positive influence in terms of how basketball should be played.

Uptown wrote:The idea that phil gets all this credit for not trading 1st round picks is laughable...Yes, i'm glad he held onto them, but most competent GMs/Pres with half a brain would have done the same...Impress me by trading for additional picks...impress me by not tying-up cap space with players past their primes...How about not handing over NTC to player who is trying to win now that goes against the idea of rebuilding...

So, phil drafted, KP, Willy and Frank...Thats rebuilding? All he did was do what every other team in the NBA does. Draft players 1st and 2nd round picks that every other GM has the right to do. If drafting players with picks that all teams have is a rebuild, then all teams are rebuilding, except for those who trade them...

you need picks to draft players. We were a bit low in that inventory.
To get picks, you have to have cap space and players to trade. Again, low inventory.
We did not have a GM that could stand up to Dolan. He was reponsible for the enabling of Isiah, the architect of dismantling that clusterphuch to make room for Lebron, then got Amare and cleaned house for Melo.
Grunwald was never in charge.

So the 60 mil for Phil was half a brain. Better than non. Phil could have starphuched it and traded to build on Melo. He arrogantly tried to do both.
Your 100% right about what should have been done, but lets be real, dolan historically never did that.

HofstraBBall wrote: But now it seems clear that the reason Phil was fired was because of Mills. He has always been angling for the presidency of the organization.

Ever see the first Total Recall? Arnie figures out he's not him, he's "Quaid" and his construction buddy turns on him. Then Arnies gets into a gunfight on the escalator and uses dude for a human shield?

Why would Mills want his "human shield" gone?

It's worked for Melo. Let Lin, Pringles, Chandler, Jackson, Woody and on and on and on become his personal bullet sponges.

Rule Of Power - Think as you like, do as others do.

Mills gutting Jackson doesn't actually achieve anything. He inherits the problems and will take the blame no matter what.

Paris907 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:No secret I was not a fan of the Triangle, Phils effort level nor Phil being the right guy to turn this team around. Originally thought Melo was the reason he was fired. Then changed my stance and thought KP was the reason. But now it seems clear that the reason Phil was fired was because of Mills. He has always been angling for the presidency of the organization. He went to Dolan and convinced him (Not hard) that Mills was doing all the front office work and that Gaines had done all the draft work (Reason why he is still with Knicks and not in Montana). Which may have been the case. Think Phil trying to buyout Melo was the last piece of ammunition Mills needed to approach Dolan. As getting no value for Melo is absurd.
Once Phil was fired, Mills approached KP and his brother to iron things out. Best way to do so is to let him know KP will be the "Main man"(Smart move) Reason why Melo will be dealt. Hardaway signing was a step in getting KP some protection from double teams.(Right idea)

Think Houston will be the new GM. Because he has been a good company man. BUT like I keep saying...until the top is gutted, we will always be in trouble and just another fortune 500 company full of execs that only care about self preservation, golden parachutes, NOI's and care very little about winning a chip.

I like your theory. Makes sense. Yet the Griffins, Donnie Walsh's are few and far between. Dolan loves mediocrity while the value of the franchise grows to 3.3B. Whether they win 32, 42 or 52 is inconsequential to Dolan. Only the hiring of a real basketball pro (and while i like Alan H he is not a cutthroat deal maker)who can clean house and work unfettered from Dolan Turns the team around yetnthey won't do it. It's basketball "light" for the near future.