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7/9/2017  8:35 PM
It's not and AND1 mixtape?
See John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Westbrook,
Curry.

Not sure who actually watched smith, but he destroyed people off the dribble, hit pull up jumpers, threes, found the cutter, blocked shots was active and vocal defensively and was efficient.

The kid is an all star talent. You don't pass on talent for a system player. It makes no sense. We needed a guy that could penetrate and get our bigs the ball.

As usual we blew it and have for 15 years. There is no such thing as wait and see with this organization.
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7/9/2017  8:39 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Man I hope Frank N is up to the challenge--Dennis Smith looks like a star NBA player.


3 best guys I have seen tatum Smith and Collins so far.

We Know Nitty has talent but his actual GAME is not the same as DSJ. Nitty is not going to win a highlight reel battle in terms of how he gets things done. Nitty is going to have to get it done with smart, team Oriented play and aggressive defense. Kind of like a smaller Kawhi.

A lot of people won't be able to understand that though cause they just go for the highlight players that can score. Some people don't get how a smart PG is sometimes better for a team then a guy that can dunk the ball and score 24 points. Oh and a PG that actually gets along with his teammates is always nice to have.
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7/9/2017  8:45 PM
MS wrote:It's not and AND1 mixtape?
See John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Westbrook,
Curry.

Not sure who actually watched smith, but he destroyed people off the dribble, hit pull up jumpers, threes, found the cutter, blocked shots was active and vocal defensively and was efficient.

The kid is an all star talent. You don't pass on talent for a system player. It makes no sense. We needed a guy that could penetrate and get our bigs the ball.

As usual we blew it and have for 15 years. There is no such thing as wait and see with this organization.

Actually, your doing the exact opposite of what you are saying the Knicks should do....

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7/9/2017  8:52 PM
MS wrote:We are going to really regret ****ing up this draft selection.

Smith is special. He's hitting jumpers, blowing by people, getting people easy buckets and is 19. He's a guy people would want to play with and would have solidified the lineup after years of searching for a point guard

Then why were there rumors of him having problems getting along with players at NC State?
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7/9/2017  8:55 PM
MS wrote:It's not and AND1 mixtape?
See John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Westbrook,
Curry.

Not sure who actually watched smith, but he destroyed people off the dribble, hit pull up jumpers, threes, found the cutter, blocked shots was active and vocal defensively and was efficient.

The kid is an all star talent. You don't pass on talent for a system player. It makes no sense. We needed a guy that could penetrate and get our bigs the ball.

As usual we blew it and have for 15 years. There is no such thing as wait and see with this organization.

The thing is Smith Jr game is way more than and 1 mixtape type stuff. The only and 1 in his game is his explosion everything else is pure pg type stuff.

Smith is a smart player.
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7/9/2017  8:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2017  9:01 PM
MS wrote:It's not and AND1 mixtape?
See John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Westbrook,
Curry.

Not sure who actually watched smith, but he destroyed people off the dribble, hit pull up jumpers, threes, found the cutter, blocked shots was active and vocal defensively and was efficient.

The kid is an all star talent. You don't pass on talent for a system player. It makes no sense. We needed a guy that could penetrate and get our bigs the ball.

As usual we blew it and have for 15 years. There is no such thing as wait and see with this organization.

The most exciting, physically dominate, "mixtape" player in the 1998 draft was Vince Carter. Ask any GM would they rather have Vince or Dirk or Paul Pierce who are less exciting but were also in that draft? There are also players who come out the gate fast and everybody thinks they're the next big thing but time proves otherwise.

Again, without seeing Frank in action I wouldn't even begin thinking about regrets. We may in fact regret not drafting Smith, but it's WAYYYYYYY too soon.
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7/9/2017  9:39 PM
MS wrote:As usual we blew it and have for 15 years.

So who'd they blow it over in 2015? Who should they have taken?
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7/9/2017  10:22 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
MS wrote:It's not and AND1 mixtape?
See John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Westbrook,
Curry.

Not sure who actually watched smith, but he destroyed people off the dribble, hit pull up jumpers, threes, found the cutter, blocked shots was active and vocal defensively and was efficient.

The kid is an all star talent. You don't pass on talent for a system player. It makes no sense. We needed a guy that could penetrate and get our bigs the ball.

As usual we blew it and have for 15 years. There is no such thing as wait and see with this organization.

The thing is Smith Jr game is way more than and 1 mixtape type stuff. The only and 1 in his game is his explosion everything else is pure pg type stuff.

Smith is a smart player.

He looked good can't lie. Was smooth yet explosive. Looked to be in command as soon as he stepped on the floor. I am still happy with Frank though. His foundation as a prospect is almost everything you ask for.

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7/9/2017  10:38 PM
Any player that plays like him with that amount of explosion after blowing out their knee once before....I would be concerned.....the guy is a phenomenal talent but the amount of torque that he is putting on legs and his high flying style I would be concerned about longevity.
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7/10/2017  1:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2017  1:48 AM
This is the best player I have seen in SL. In fact he might be the best rookie I can remember in at least 5 years-- he's that good so far.
I don't think it's necessary to compare players but I can guarantee that Smith has shown serious bonafides within a team system. Let's hope Frank can bring it as well.
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BRIGGS wrote:This is the best player I have seen in SL. In fact he might be the best rookie I can remember in at least 5 years-- he's that good so far.
I don't think it's necessary to compare players but I can guarantee that Smith has shown serious bonafides within a team system. Let's hope Frank can bring it as well.

A little late to be guaranteeing this? When I said I had him at #3 in the draft and the best player available (risk adjusted), didn't you say Frank Jackson was the best player available? Or preferred trading down?

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MS wrote:It's not and AND1 mixtape?
See John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Westbrook,
Curry.

Not sure who actually watched smith, but he destroyed people off the dribble, hit pull up jumpers, threes, found the cutter, blocked shots was active and vocal defensively and was efficient.

The kid is an all star talent. You don't pass on talent for a system player. It makes no sense. We needed a guy that could penetrate and get our bigs the ball.

As usual we blew it and have for 15 years. There is no such thing as wait and see with this organization.

A bit hypocritical of you there, considering you haven't even let Frank play one game.

My concerns with DSJ is he looks amazing but almost too athletic- like he's an injury waiting to happen. Will he go down the Derrick Rose trail? Who knows.

He's very much in the Rose, Lowry, Wall type of PG, whereas I gather Frank will be more like the Billups type- that's not necessarily a bad thing. While the former are all amazing to watch, the latter also helped win a championship. It's too early to judge anything at this point. I'm not convinced Frank is going to be good, but I'm giving him a few years to show what he can do. And remember, the argument in the Knicks front office seems to have been between Frank and Monk, not DSJr
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7/10/2017  5:54 AM
Smith looks like a stud and he is with a good coach who will maximize his skills. I am still reserving judgment on Frank, who could be a solid player, but Smith looks like the second coming of D Rose, except he has been playing defense and can shoot from 3.
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7/10/2017  6:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/10/2017  6:35 AM
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BRIGGS wrote:This is the best player I have seen in SL. In fact he might be the best rookie I can remember in at least 5 years-- he's that good so far.
I don't think it's necessary to compare players but I can guarantee that Smith has shown serious bonafides within a team system. Let's hope Frank can bring it as well.

A little late to be guaranteeing this? When I said I had him at #3 in the draft and the best player available (risk adjusted), didn't you say Frank Jackson was the best player available? Or preferred trading down?

Actually I went withFrank as our pick-- let's wait and reserve judgement.

The one thing I will say is Smith might've balanced out the lack of athleticsm. But well see

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7/10/2017  6:55 AM
MS wrote:It's not and AND1 mixtape?
See John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Westbrook,
Curry.

Not sure who actually watched smith, but he destroyed people off the dribble, hit pull up jumpers, threes, found the cutter, blocked shots was active and vocal defensively and was efficient.

The kid is an all star talent. You don't pass on talent for a system player. It makes no sense. We needed a guy that could penetrate and get our bigs the ball.

As usual we blew it and have for 15 years. There is no such thing as wait and see with this organization.

I know, compare his tape to Franks slow ass high dribble movements. It was pretty obvious who the BPA was.

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7/10/2017  8:31 AM
Let's wait until he gets to play real games against real competition before we put him into the Hall of Fame.
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7/10/2017  9:50 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
MS wrote:It's not and AND1 mixtape?
See John Wall, Damian Lillard, Kyrie Irving, Westbrook,
Curry.

Not sure who actually watched smith, but he destroyed people off the dribble, hit pull up jumpers, threes, found the cutter, blocked shots was active and vocal defensively and was efficient.

The kid is an all star talent. You don't pass on talent for a system player. It makes no sense. We needed a guy that could penetrate and get our bigs the ball.

As usual we blew it and have for 15 years. There is no such thing as wait and see with this organization.

I know, compare his tape to Franks slow ass high dribble movements. It was pretty obvious who the BPA was.

Amazing you can come to that conclusion from watching....dribbling.

Just curious, who was better, Derek Rose or John Stockton?

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7/10/2017  10:43 AM
We all know Phil wasn't looking for a Ball Dominant PG. In fact Phil favors Big Combo Guards so Nitty is exactly that. The fact that the Knicks let Phil draft makes me think they did all of this on purpose. Jeff still running Triangle and Rambis still being here. All this seems too convenient.

If the Knicks had fired Phil and drafted DSJ that would be logical but they didn't. To this day the team is still setup more for being a Triangle type team than a heavy PnR type team. If that's the case then Nitty makes more sense. It's not just about the individual talent but how the team as a whole is able to function. The Warriors don't have a PnR PG and they run the fewest PnR of any playoff team. Ball Dominant doesn't work in their system.
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7/10/2017  11:03 AM
nixluva wrote:We all know Phil wasn't looking for a Ball Dominant PG. In fact Phil favors Big Combo Guards so Nitty is exactly that. The fact that the Knicks let Phil draft makes me think they did all of this on purpose. Jeff still running Triangle and Rambis still being here. All this seems too convenient.

If the Knicks had fired Phil and drafted DSJ that would be logical but they didn't. To this day the team is still setup more for being a Triangle type team than a heavy PnR type team. If that's the case then Nitty makes more sense. It's not just about the individual talent but how the team as a whole is able to function. The Warriors don't have a PnR PG and they run the fewest PnR of any playoff team. Ball Dominant doesn't work in their system.


I believe they will look to use early quick offense. Which Ntilikina can do. Push the ball with the dribble. Or make a quick pass to get the transition going. We have wings that will get up the floor quick capable of shooting the 3, and Kristaps is extremely fast for a big guy - he can spot up at the wing or go all the way to the basket looking for a transition layup. What we need is to get some stops, because that's the easiest way to get fastbreak, easy early offense. We couldn't get stops or enough perimeter defense with last year's team.

In the halfcourt, I think Horny runs a mix of spread PnR, off ball screens for players looking for a jump shot (like THj/CLee/Porzingis) and some Triangle. Don't see Horny running PnR exclusively, that's never been his thing anyway.
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