Posted by fishmike:


Isle's math:

Any player aquired by Isiah in deal < player traded in that deal to other team.

Isle's math:

Marbury = garbage.

Nazr Mohammed = garbage man.

Lottery team = priceless.

Isle you are just being an @ss. People liked the article and were wishin, big deal, do you have to to come in and throw sh*it at them? Who knows who will play. JYD can play SF too in streches. He is our best defender man to man right now. Considering how bad we are defensively I would not be suprised if Lenny had to find him some minutes.

I'm not ignoring anything.

The stats dont lie either. Nazr had some bigtime games playing w/ Marbury, and did some things Doleac cant and wont.
Doleac was good for 4 points and 3 rebs on 44% shooting.
Funny thing happened when Steph came along. In Jan he went up to 8 points, 5 rebs and 53% shooting.
Doleac's 5 best games: 11/6, 4/10, 15/7, 18/8, 12/5 (points/rebs)

See for yourself:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3255/splits

Nazr averaged 9/8 as a Knick while shooting 56%.
Lets say it again... 56%. Clearly he produced more because of more minutes but for all his offensive shortcomings (there are plenty) he's shot 56% w/ Marbury.
Nazr's 5 best games: 18/7, 20/9, 18/13, 20/18, 12/15

Garbage man is good because when Nazr gets floor time he's extremely productive and shoots at a very high FG%.

Plain and simple Nazr is not only a better fit but he's a better player. Doleac played well because he was with Marbury... that may be hard to swallow but thats what happens when you play with a PG that creates the way Marbury does.... it makes guys like Doleac more productive.

as much effort as he brings, he can also miss many ez shots and miss many free throws.

I dont know I see JYD, Kurt Thomas, vin baker and sweetney as productive role players. I think Nazr is a notch under "role player" He is good insurance though

do you watch basketball? Teams that shoot with a higher % generally win more games then teams that shoot with a low%.

but when you have a guard oriented offense I think it's important to have a center who can hit a perimeter shot.

Why? Dont you have enough players that can hit and take outside shots? What you need w/ a guard oriented offense are frontcourt players that get offensive boards, putback dunks and garbage points off loose balls. Nazr does that, Doleac never has.

Nazr is a bad offensive player. I cant remember seeing a center with poorer footwork, but Nazr is a good player on offense, and his #'s prove it.

How many years of watching Spree, Houston, Ward, Eisley, and Kurt chucking up jumpers before you realize the important role a guy like Nazr plays?

Doleac was redundant. If he had any game at all he would have earned the start at center and moved KT to PF, or at least earn himself more minutes in a bad frontcourt, and I'm a Doleac fan.

Posted by fishmike:

do you watch basketball? Teams that shoot with a higher % generally win more games then teams that shoot with a low%.

but when you have a guard oriented offense I think it's important to have a center who can hit a perimeter shot.

Why? Dont you have enough players that can hit and take outside shots? What you need w/ a guard oriented offense are frontcourt players that get offensive boards, putback dunks and garbage points off loose balls. Nazr does that, Doleac never has.

Nazr is a bad offensive player. I cant remember seeing a center with poorer footwork, but Nazr is a good player on offense, and his #'s prove it.

How many years of watching Spree, Houston, Ward, Eisley, and Kurt chucking up jumpers before you realize the important role a guy like Nazr plays?

Doleac was redundant. If he had any game at all he would have earned the start at center and moved KT to PF, or at least earn himself more minutes in a bad frontcourt, and I'm a Doleac fan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teamstats?team=nyk&sort=pts&split=0&avg=48&order=true&season=2&seasonYear=2004

I have to say that to compare Doleac to Nazr is silly. Fortunately, ESPN allows us to compare their stats per 48 minutes! Per 48, Nazr averaged 17.6 ppg and 14.8 rpg. Doleac averaged 16.2 ppg and 13.2 rpg. But Nazr shot 56.3% to Mike's 44.4%, and he only took 13.7 shots to get his points, while Doleac shot 15.8 FGAs to get his points. Nazr also averaged 1.3 more offensive rebounds per 48. These are small differences, but enough to make Nazr a more effective and efficient player.

Just from watching Nazr play, I would say he has more room to improve and can improve defensively. The sad thing about Doleac is that he tries on defense and is still awful. I think Nazr can learn to be better with more effort. Also, the alley-oop inbounds play was brilliant and could be a valuable end game tactic. And frankly, this team needs an inside presence on offense and Nazr showed in the NJN playoff series he could be that guy. In Game 3, he was fantastic 18 points on 8-11 shooting or something.

I don't think Nazr is a GREAT player, but I think in the East he's more than serviceable. Let's not forget that he outplayed Samuel Dalembert and Mark Blount on different occassions last year, two players everyone here seems to covet. No, he can't shot block, but maybe he can do other things.

My only problem is that I don't think you can play Sweets and Nazr together for size reasons. I hope I'm proven wrong, but we shall see...

nalod, islesfan has been sick of the knicks since december...he's just made his way here recently.

No... thats a 3 second violation.

Yeah, that's what I meant, pure genius.

Please explain to me why this is a bad thing... no more dunks and layups for us. Only jumpshooters. Man, you really do think like Layden

When that's the extent of your offensive game and your name isn't Shaq, that's not a good thing. How can not being able to hit a 15 foot jumper on a semi consistent basis be a good thing?

Sorry, but nobody in the NBA is scared of Doleac on either side of the ball. Nobody cares. If Doleac or KT beats you you deserve to lose.

Nobody ever said that anybody was scared of Doleac but the same can be said about Nazr. Not that that was the point.

Nalod, that's a fair point. I'm really not trying to rain on anybody's parade. I like JYD, I just think he's on the downside of his career and with the glut of players at the forward positions I don't see him getting much playing time.

I don't think Isles is being too unrealistic. The Knicks have some major freaking issues for next year. Like PF anc C. Dampier would have cured a lot of ailments, but he's gone and there's no real alternative that we know of yet (though, I'm sure Zeke is working on one). The thing is, the team is younger so it gives Zeke a couple of years to find that missing center/pf Camby/Dampier/Ratliff type player that this team sorely needs.

Nazr and JYD are nice backups, but if they're playing major minutes, there's a problem.

When that's the extent of your offensive game and your name isn't Shaq, that's not a good thing. How can not being able to hit a 15 foot jumper on a semi consistent basis be a good thing?

same reason not being able to follow a PG to the basket for easy dunks and rebounds is an even worse thing... especially when you are a center.

Isles... is Doleac better than Nazr