Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Paris907 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/07/06/knicks-pursuing-celtics-defensive-minded-guard-in-trade/

I'm a Smart fan. He is a defensive ace and his 3 PT % is deceptive as it increased signicantky as the season wore on. It was evident in the playoffs. He's no mentor but a super building block. Easy trade for Knicks. Just don't give up a 1st!

I've been chatting with a Celtics fan this morning. The Celtics are asking for a pick and Hernangomez for Smart. I doubt a deal gets done because Ainge has to WIN every trade by a large margin... usually in a salary dump for a prospect that, while good, is a disappointment a pick follows the salary.

I have no interest in dealing Hernangomez, at least not for Smart. The former has a chance to be really good. The latter is a nice piece but not nearly as good as many thought he'd be

How would a fan know what they're asking for him? If a fan knew then the media would definitely know and it would be all over in tweets.

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https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/882955835000926208

Either Ainge is crazy or we're crazy for even considering that deal. Tell Ainge to kick rocks and see if he can get anything close to that from anybody else. Seems like he's just using the Knicks just like free agents.

smart is a 6th overall pick in his draft just 3 yrs ago, willy is a 2nd rnd pick, who can't play a lick of defense to save his life.. and they never said what yr the pick had to be.

So if Anthony Bennett was offered for Willy we should pull the trigger because he was the #1 pick in his draft? And it doesn't matter what year the pick is, it's a horrible deal for the Knicks. Not to mention, what incentive is there to help a division foe?

I would pass on the trade, that dude shot 28% from 3 land, 35% overall...he needs to be giving us a 1st rndr with him

The point is it doesn't matter where your drafted once you have an NBA history. Willy is simply a better player than Smart right now. Just to be clear, we're talking about a career .358 shooter! They better be giving us picks if we're swapping Smart and Willy.

I just wouldn't do it. There's a chance that Willy can really blossom and be of even greater value! Just so knicks1248 knows Marc Gasol sucked on D as a rookie too. Players do improve.

Marc Gasol
Season	Age  Tm  Pos  G  GS  MP   FG  FGA   FG%   3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT%  ORB  DRB  TRB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS  ORtg DRtg
2008-09	24   MEM C    82 75  2521 7.4 14.0  .530  0.0 0.0  .000 7.4 13.9 .530 5.8 7.9  .733 4.2  8.5  12.8 3.0  1.3  1.9  3.5  5.6 20.6 112  108
Willy
2016-17	22   NYK C    72 22  1324 9.3 17.6  .529  0.2  0.6 .267	9.1 17.0 .538 3.4 4.7  .728 6.4  12.5 19.0 3.6  1.5  1.4  3.8  5.7 22.2 111  107

Good defense helps but not if you can't score. Smart held his man to only 42.6%, which is nice until you notice that he only shot 35.8%!

I expect the Knicks to improve on both ends as these young players develop into bigger roles. It starts with KP and Willy IMO. The stronger and more dominant they both become the tougher they make it on opposing defenses and that will open things up for our perimeter shooters. Also will help to have better perimeter defense to slow other teams down a bit and create some fast breaks.

I like Smart but NO WAY should the Knicks trade Willy for Smart. Just doesn't even make sense. I've said for a while now that Willy is like a top 1st rd pick IMO.

BRIGGS wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:I would only start to consider sending Willy away if we got the unprotected Lakers or Nets pick next year in addition to Smart. Then we have the basis for a conversation, but short of that, don't bother.

I consider Willy g more untouchable than KP. I dont see me trading Willy for anything.

Same no way we trade Willy unless it's for a star

When it comes to Willy and Porzingis I think they will be good players, but Porzingis is injury prone and Willy isn't that good a defender yet. It might come later on with Willy but at the moment he is to much a oneway player to become a star in the league, and I must say I really fear for Porzingis future in the league, it is simply to early in his career to have that many problems.

I'm not suggestion a trade of Smart for any of the two, but a Smart, Crowder and picks might be a good offer, and would give us great building blocks for the future, and help our defence a lot.

MG22 wrote:This season Smart played in regular season 79 games and Porzingis only played in 66 games. The reason for Smarts earlier low numbers is because he wasn't ready when he came into the league. Porzingis health is a problem and as a bigman it is a serious thing so early in the career.

Stats can be great tool, but you should still look at his game. He is not taking that many shots, as Celtica basketball has been a lot about giving the ball to Thomas and Horford, but if you take a look at his game he is getting smarter, and you will see that when he get to shoot more his numbers will improve, but again he is a force on the defensive end and that should be the main reason to sign him.

And last year, Smart only played in 61 games. And his shooting hasn't improved with shooting more:

          FGA   FG%    2PA   2P%   3PA   3P%
2014-15   7.1   36.7   3.1   41    4.1   33.5
2015-16   8.7   34.8   4.7   42.7  4     25.3
2016-17   9.5   35.9   5.3   42    4.2   28.3

He might be a pretty good defender and distributor but he's an atrocious shooter and hasn't improved in three seasons.

Welpee wrote:

Rookie wrote:according to this chart http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/, there are 2 teams with enough cap to absorb one of the Boston contracts and 12 more that could create the necessary cap space by releasing cap holds. That said, I don't see any of the 14 teams giving up a young prospect and a 1st rd pick for any of the three (Smart, Bradley, Crowder).

The only team in any scenario that needs to make a move is Boston, although I could see Utah wanting to get back an asset after losing Hayward. Thing is, the way it went down with Utah losing both Hayward and the ability to make an offer to Porter, they likely aren't going to do anything that would embarrass the organization and give any assets to Boston

Yeah, teams know Boston has no leverage and none of the players they're trying to move will take anybody to the next level. All three guys could help the Knicks but none of them are game changers. If I'm the Knicks I just sit back and see what happens but I definitely wouldn't give up a pick for any of those dudes.