Chandler wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:As I said in another thread, another ex-Laker (Jerry West) recommending Griffin feels like a lot like Magic recommending Isiah. I trust West's judgement more than Isiah, but it still feels like deja vu.

Knicks have one thing that previous Knicks execs havent had in a long while, a possible franchise player going into his prime. Knicks are always trying to make a big trade for an impact player like KP, and mostly doing a bad job of it. Often resulting in cap hell and retreads.

Whoever gets the job, they will have a choice between gradually building around KP, or the express lane to cap hell. Knicks have their building block, they dont need to go for broke in trade or free agency.

Let KP show what he can do as the man and build around him. I believe Griffin, Ujiri, Presti, all have the ability to do that, its a question of wether or not they will go for the quick fix. Wether or not they will feel the pressure to do so.

c'mon man, seriously. Magic and Isiah were best buds. Magic had no front office experience yet was recommending someone for the front office. totally different.

Jerry West is a winner, and has built two great teams from crap

I know nothing about Griffin, but respect West. Not saying we should hire Griff either but the laker's connection (three times removed at this point) is a non-issue

Please, I said trust West's judgement more, also said that Griffin (like the others named) could handle the job. Just dont like the optics. Silly comment.

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Griffin came from the Suns. Was Director Of Player personnel from 01-07. And Senior Vice President of BBall Operations 08-10. So he was apart of the process that built the Suns teams with Nash. Though Colangelo, MDA, then Kerr held more authority.

Article on the Griffin-Gilbert breakup
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/20/15835070/david-griffin-dan-gilbert-history-cavs-gm

Good point...totally forgot about that. Eventhough he may not have had much power in Pho, at least he was apart of a winning culture. Same in Cleveland; he was apart of a winning/championship culture. He was the GM that won a 'chip in Cleveland, and beat the team that had the best regular season in the history of the league....He has to get some credit for that.

I prefer Presti, but I wouldn't have much problem with Griffin....

I am starting to warm to him. In the article they claimed he was a capologist. Though his moves in Cleveland don't really show it. But we all know the reason.

Chandler wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Chandler wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:As I said in another thread, another ex-Laker (Jerry West) recommending Griffin feels like a lot like Magic recommending Isiah. I trust West's judgement more than Isiah, but it still feels like deja vu.

Knicks have one thing that previous Knicks execs havent had in a long while, a possible franchise player going into his prime. Knicks are always trying to make a big trade for an impact player like KP, and mostly doing a bad job of it. Often resulting in cap hell and retreads.

Whoever gets the job, they will have a choice between gradually building around KP, or the express lane to cap hell. Knicks have their building block, they dont need to go for broke in trade or free agency.

Let KP show what he can do as the man and build around him. I believe Griffin, Ujiri, Presti, all have the ability to do that, its a question of wether or not they will go for the quick fix. Wether or not they will feel the pressure to do so.

c'mon man, seriously. Magic and Isiah were best buds. Magic had no front office experience yet was recommending someone for the front office. totally different.

Jerry West is a winner, and has built two great teams from crap

I know nothing about Griffin, but respect West. Not saying we should hire Griff either but the laker's connection (three times removed at this point) is a non-issue

Please, I said trust West's judgement more, also said that Griffin (like the others named) could handle the job. Just dont like the optics. Silly comment.

whatever. You also said it feels a lot like Magic recommending Isiah, deja vu etc.

Said a lot more than that.....

Draft Picks, Trades, and Free Agent Signings
In some cases the starting date and/or ending date for an executive could not be found, so conservative estimates are used in their place.
Therefore, transactions from the beginning and/or end of an executive's tenure with a particular franchise may be missing from the register below.
Cleveland Cavaliers Franchise (February 6, 2014 - June 19, 2017)
February 20, 2014: Traded Earl Clark, Henry Sims, a 2014 2nd round draft pick (Jerami Grant was later selected) and a 2014 2nd round draft pick (Vasilije Micic was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Spencer Hawes.

February 22, 2014: Signed Arinze Onuaku to a 10-day contract.

March 12, 2014: Signed Shane Edwards to a 10-day contract.

March 21, 2014: Signed Seth Curry to a 10-day contract.

May 12, 2014: Fired Mike Brown as Head Coach.

June 20, 2014: Hired David Blatt as Head Coach.

June 26, 2014: Selected Andrew Wiggins (1st round, 1st pick) and Joe Harris (2nd round, 33rd pick) in the 2014 NBA Draft.

June 27, 2014: Traded Alonzo Gee to the Charlotte Bobcats for Brendan Haywood and Dwight Powell.

July 10, 2014: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Jarrett Jack and Sergey Karasev to the Brooklyn Nets; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Tyler Zeller and a 2016 1st round draft pick (Skal Labissiere was later selected) to the Boston Celtics; and the Brooklyn Nets traded Marcus Thornton to the Boston Celtics.

July 12, 2014: Signed LeBron James to a multi-year contract.

July 22, 2014: Traded Carrick Felix, cash and a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Dani Diez was later selected) to the Utah Jazz for John Lucas III, Erik Murphy and Malcolm Thomas.

July 22, 2014: Signed Joe Harris to a multi-year contract.

July 24, 2014: Signed Andrew Wiggins to a multi-year contract.

August 5, 2014: Signed Mike Miller.

August 5, 2014: Signed James Jones.

August 11, 2014: Signed Alex Kirk to a multi-year contract.

August 23, 2014: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded a 2016 1st round draft pick (Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins and a trade exception to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Kevin Love to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Luc Mbah a Moute and Alexey Shved to the Philadelphia 76ers; and the Philadelphia 76ers traded Thaddeus Young to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

August 23, 2014: Signed Dwight Powell.

September 25, 2014: Traded John Lucas III, Erik Murphy, Dwight Powell, Malcolm Thomas, a 2016 2nd round draft pick (Abdel Nader was later selected) and a 2017 2nd round draft pick (Kadeem Allen was later selected) to the Boston Celtics for Keith Bogans, a 2015 2nd round draft pick and a 2017 2nd round draft pick. (Cleveland's acquired draft picks are top-55 protected and did not convey.)

September 26, 2014: Signed Lou Amundson.

September 26, 2014: Signed A.J. Price.

September 27, 2014: Traded Keith Bogans and a 2018 2nd round draft pick to the Philadelphia 76ers for a 2015 2nd round draft pick. (The 2015 pick is protected and did not convey.)

September 28, 2014: Signed Shane Edwards.

September 30, 2014: Signed Stephen Holt.

November 2, 2014: Signed Will Cherry.

January 5, 2015: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Dion Waiters to the Oklahoma City Thunder; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Lou Amundson, Alex Kirk and a 2019 2nd round draft pick to the New York Knicks; the New York Knicks traded Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith to the Cleveland Cavaliers; the Oklahoma City Thunder traded a 2016 1st round draft pick (Furkan Korkmaz was later selected) to the Cleveland Cavaliers; and the Oklahoma City Thunder traded Lance Thomas to the New York Knicks.

January 7, 2015: Traded a 2016 1st round draft pick (Furkan Korkmaz was later selected) and a 2017 1st round draft pick (Harry Giles was later selected) to the Denver Nuggets for Timofey Mozgov and a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Sir'Dominic Pointer was later selected). (CLE sends pair of 1st-Rd picks to DEN. One of the picks is from OKC, which is top-18 protected in 2015 & top-15 protected afterwards. The other pick is from MEM & is conveyed if between 6-14 in 2015 or 2016 & and is top-5 protected in 2017 & 2018).

February 24, 2015: Signed Kendrick Perkins.

June 25, 2015: Selected Tyus Jones (1st round, 24th pick) and Sir'Dominic Pointer (2nd round, 53rd pick) in the 2015 NBA Draft.

June 25, 2015: Traded Tyus Jones to the Minnesota Timberwolves for a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Rakeem Christmas was later selected) and a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Cedi Osman was later selected).

July 9, 2015: Signed Kevin Love to a multi-year contract.

July 9, 2015: Signed Iman Shumpert to a multi-year contract.

July 10, 2015: Signed LeBron James to a multi-year contract.

July 10, 2015: Signed Mo Williams to a multi-year contract.

July 23, 2015: Traded Rakeem Christmas to the Indiana Pacers for a 2019 2nd round draft pick. (Lakers 2nd round pick)

July 25, 2015: Signed James Jones.

July 27, 2015: Traded Brendan Haywood, Mike Miller, a 2019 2nd round draft pick and a 2020 2nd round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers for cash considerations.

July 27, 2015: Signed Matthew Dellavedova.

August 5, 2015: Signed Richard Jefferson.

September 2, 2015: Signed J.R. Smith to a multi-year contract.

September 8, 2015: Signed Sasha Kaun to a multi-year contract.

September 28, 2015: Signed Quinn Cook.

September 28, 2015: Signed Jared Cunningham.

September 28, 2015: Signed Austin Daye.

September 28, 2015: Signed Michael Dunigan.

September 28, 2015: Signed Chris Johnson.

September 28, 2015: Signed Nick Minnerath.

September 28, 2015: Signed D.J. Stephens.

October 9, 2015: Signed Dionte Christmas.

October 17, 2015: Signed Jack Cooley.

October 22, 2015: Signed Tristan Thompson to a multi-year contract.

January 12, 2016: Traded Joe Harris, cash considerations and a 2017 2nd round draft pick to the Orlando Magic for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (2017 2nd-Rd Pick was protected pick from SAC and did not convey) (2020 2nd-rd pick is protected pick from POR)

January 22, 2016: Fired David Blatt as Head Coach.

January 22, 2016: Hired Tyronn Lue as Head Coach.

February 18, 2016: As part of a 3-team trade, the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Anderson Varejao and a 2018 1st round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers; the Cleveland Cavaliers traded Jared Cunningham to the Orlando Magic; the Orlando Magic traded Channing Frye to the Cleveland Cavaliers; and the Portland Trail Blazers traded a 2020 2nd round draft pick to the Orlando Magic. (1st-rd pick from CLE to POR is top-10 protected in 2018 & 2019)

February 28, 2016: Signed Jordan McRae to a 10-day contract.

March 9, 2016: Signed Jordan McRae.

April 13, 2016: Signed Dahntay Jones to a contract for the rest of the season.

June 23, 2016: Traded $2.4M cash to the Atlanta Hawks for Kay Felder.

July 7, 2016: Traded Albert Miralles to the Chicago Bulls for Mike Dunleavy and Vladimir Veremeenko.

July 7, 2016: Signed Matthew Dellavedova to a multi-year contract.

July 7, 2016: Traded Matthew Dellavedova to the Milwaukee Bucks for Albert Miralles and $200K. Cleveland create $4.8M trade exception with this deal

July 15, 2016: Traded Sasha Kaun and cash considerations to the Philadelphia 76ers for Chukwudiebere Maduabum.

July 21, 2016: Signed Chris Andersen.

July 28, 2016: Signed Richard Jefferson to a multi-year contract.

August 2, 2016: Signed DeAndre Liggins.

August 3, 2016: Signed James Jones.

August 7, 2016: Signed Kay Felder to a multi-year contract.

August 12, 2016: Signed LeBron James to a multi-year contract.

September 6, 2016: Signed Markel Brown.

September 23, 2016: Signed Cory Jefferson.

September 23, 2016: Signed John Holland.

September 26, 2016: Signed Jonathan Holmes.

September 26, 2016: Signed Eric Moreland.

September 26, 2016: Signed Dahntay Jones.

October 3, 2016: Signed Toney Douglas.

October 15, 2016: Signed J.R. Smith to a multi-year contract.

January 6, 2017: Traded a 2017 1st round draft pick (Caleb Swanigan was later selected) to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2018 1st round draft pick. (2018 1st-Rd pick is Cleveland's own pick, previously traded to Portland in Feb. 2016)

January 7, 2017: Traded Mike Dunleavy, Mo Williams and a 2019 1st round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Kyle Korver. (2019 1st-Rd Pick is top-10 protected)

February 9, 2017: Signed Derrick Williams to a 10-day contract.

February 13, 2017: Traded Chris Andersen and cash considerations to the Charlotte Hornets for a 2017 2nd round draft pick. (2nd-rd pick from Charlotte to Cleveland was top-55 protected and did not convey)

February 27, 2017: Signed Deron Williams.

March 2, 2017: Signed Andrew Bogut.

March 4, 2017: Signed Derrick Williams.

March 13, 2017: Signed Larry Sanders.

April 12, 2017: Signed Edy Tavares to a multi-year contract.

April 12, 2017: Signed Dahntay Jones.

TLover wrote:I'm thinking the move might be making Griff the president and build around KP & Melo at the 5 & 4 respectively. He could possibly attract Lebron James to the Knicks next season. Lebron would be truley legendary if he decided to come to this mess of a franchise and turn it into a champion which happens to be in the biggest media market in the world. Wow!!!

By the time Lebron would come Lebron and Melo would be in their mid 30s. It's not going to be the super team you imagine having him come to NY at this point.

Remember when Tmac was a Knick?

Chandler wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Sinix wrote:He's most known for drafting Anthony Bennet and the large contracts he's given to lebrons CAA buddies.

Now that I think about it, that's why he might likely get the job. Without Phil, CAA creeps back into power with the Knicks.

Expect some sh-tty contracts for CAA guys going forward. But hey, we'll be liked around the league now right?

Are u sure about Bennet? He wasn't GM then.

Guess I'm wrong about that one, griffin came in half a season later.

Yeah, he actually traded away Bennet (and Wiggins) for Love. He was 2nd in exec of the year voting that year. I don't know anything about his philosophy but he can't be more out of touch than Phil. I'd rather have Ujiri though.

Was Love for Wiggins even a good move? Cavs would be in much better position with Wiggins right now imo.

No one really has anything they can point to and say, that's Griffins fingerprints all over that and he did a great job.

I see a Cavs team right now with a ton of overpriced contracts, lack of talent and no draft picks. No thank you to that.

they were a last place team before he joined and went to three straight finals while he was GM. Of course Lebron was a huge factor, but Lebron only came back with the promise they would be all in to win it. There was no way they would have been to three straight with Wiggins over Love. C'mon man. Give some credit where it's at least due -- and I'm not even saying hire the guy

That's one way to think about. The team was last when he got there and top 3 when he's leaving. But did he do anything for that?

I'd argue Lebron, at his age(late 20s, early 30s), would of taken literally any team to top 3 in the east.

You honestly think the Cavs wouldn't of made the finals this year with Wiggins over Love? They didn't have anything that came close to a challenge in the East. And Wiggins is pretty damn good at almost 24 points per game.

So it brings me back to this point. What exactly has Griffin done that you can point to exactly?

Sinix wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Sinix wrote:He's most known for drafting Anthony Bennet and the large contracts he's given to lebrons CAA buddies.

Now that I think about it, that's why he might likely get the job. Without Phil, CAA creeps back into power with the Knicks.

Expect some sh-tty contracts for CAA guys going forward. But hey, we'll be liked around the league now right?

Are u sure about Bennet? He wasn't GM then.

Guess I'm wrong about that one, griffin came in half a season later.

Yeah, he actually traded away Bennet (and Wiggins) for Love. He was 2nd in exec of the year voting that year. I don't know anything about his philosophy but he can't be more out of touch than Phil. I'd rather have Ujiri though.

Was Love for Wiggins even a good move? Cavs would be in much better position with Wiggins right now imo.

No one really has anything they can point to and say, that's Griffins fingerprints all over that and he did a great job.

I see a Cavs team right now with a ton of overpriced contracts, lack of talent and no draft picks. No thank you to that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Sinix wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Sinix wrote:He's most known for drafting Anthony Bennet and the large contracts he's given to lebrons CAA buddies.

Now that I think about it, that's why he might likely get the job. Without Phil, CAA creeps back into power with the Knicks.

Expect some sh-tty contracts for CAA guys going forward. But hey, we'll be liked around the league now right?

Are u sure about Bennet? He wasn't GM then.

Guess I'm wrong about that one, griffin came in half a season later.

Yeah, he actually traded away Bennet (and Wiggins) for Love. He was 2nd in exec of the year voting that year. I don't know anything about his philosophy but he can't be more out of touch than Phil. I'd rather have Ujiri though.

Was Love for Wiggins even a good move? Cavs would be in much better position with Wiggins right now imo.

No one really has anything they can point to and say, that's Griffins fingerprints all over that and he did a great job.

I see a Cavs team right now with a ton of overpriced contracts, lack of talent and no draft picks. No thank you to that.

To me it was an excellent deal and they'd be much worse off with Wiggins chucking. This really depends on whether you look at the volume stats (PPG, rpg, etc) that GMs favored until about 10 years ago or the modern analytics though.

But Kevin Love took less shots that Wiggins this year with worse efficiency. You don't think Wiggins efficiency would increase plying with Lebron?