Chandler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The problem is that it's against what everyone says Melo is as a person.

Also, I don't trust Rosen or Berman. Their credibility is suspect

Also, if Melo did that Janis would have probably destroyed Melo and KPs relationship.

I tried to qualify it, and indicated there might be pro-Phil people pushing it...but it was in the article.

Give how the leader of the nation attacks the press, and that some reporters have been taken to task for their stories or sued, as a reporter you don't usually put out lies which might disparage a prominent figure.

If folks want to take this as "fake news," fine, but I'm going on the assumption that there is truth in the story until there is push-back from Anthony or his people with an alternative story.

Doubt if KP would admit to the story if asked, by the way.

this is just a redux of when MDA wanted Melo to sacrifice his game and play pf

Do people really think Melo was pro-triangle, or doubt that he a mutineer?

That's incorrect...Melo played PF for Woodson and had a career yr....MDA wanted him to camp out on the wing similar to the way Ryan Anderson is playing for the Rockets...

Melo was absolutely Anti-Triangle. Theres no denying that. And I'm certain he wasn't the only one in the locker room that was anti triangle. In fact, outside of phil and Rambis nobody in todays NBA circles were pro triangle....

Uptown wrote:

Chandler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The problem is that it's against what everyone says Melo is as a person.

Also, I don't trust Rosen or Berman. Their credibility is suspect

Also, if Melo did that Janis would have probably destroyed Melo and KPs relationship.

I tried to qualify it, and indicated there might be pro-Phil people pushing it...but it was in the article.

Give how the leader of the nation attacks the press, and that some reporters have been taken to task for their stories or sued, as a reporter you don't usually put out lies which might disparage a prominent figure.

If folks want to take this as "fake news," fine, but I'm going on the assumption that there is truth in the story until there is push-back from Anthony or his people with an alternative story.

Doubt if KP would admit to the story if asked, by the way.

this is just a redux of when MDA wanted Melo to sacrifice his game and play pf

Do people really think Melo was pro-triangle, or doubt that he a mutineer?

That's incorrect...Melo played PF for Woodson and had a career yr....MDA wanted him to camp out on the wing similar to the way Ryan Anderson is playing for the Rockets...

Melo was absolutely Anti-Triangle. Theres no denying that. And I'm certain he wasn't the only one in the locker room that was anti triangle. In fact, outside of phil and Rambis nobody in todays NBA circles were pro triangle....

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2012/10/10/melo-doesnt-want-to-play-power-forward-please/

“Right now, we have guys in that position. We want to keep it like that,” Anthony said Monday when asked about playing more power forward this year. “I’d rather play my natural position then go down there and play the 4, the 5 and things that I don’t really want to do. So with the guys that we have now, I find that we’re definitely that much more effective

WaltLongmire wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/06/29/carmelo-anthony-not-off-trade-block-despite-phil-jacksons-exit/

In the second half of today's Berman article is info which seems to confirm and build on some things Rosen wrote about the Jackson, Anthony, KP melodrama.

I'm writing on the assumption that this story is true, and not simply someone like Rambis putting out disinformation to make Jackson look better.

If this is true, we get to learn what kind of leader Anthony really is/was, and why having him on the team will not allow KP to assert himself as a team leader.

Totally unacceptable to shut down and intimidate a young player expressing his mind. If you want to have competing beliefs and honest discussion over the Triangle, fine...but for Anthony to use his influence over KP to in essence stifle him is not good.

Though I never did join the Triangle cult, I always appreciated the ideas it was based on because I thought they represented the right way to play the game.

Have to figure then that Anthony might have influenced someone like Rose to denigrate or diminish the Triangle at times.

Not hard to believe that Melo would have done something like this to MDA, by the way.

Not sure that Hornacek or any future head coach should have to tailor an offense to accommodate the whims and wishes of Anthony at this point, and it will be interesting to see how Melo fits into any future system we play.

“Phil thought Carmelo was trying to sabotage him,’’ an NBA source said.

Anthony, who is the only Knick who has been a part of the four straight teams that have missed the playoffs, was considered disruptive in the locker room. On March 1, when the Knicks were last in Orlando finishing out the string against the Magic, Porzingis voiced his support of Jackson’s triangle offense.

“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should and we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said then. “So we’re a little behind. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it. I like the triangle. My whole first season, we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well.’’

According to an NBA source, Anthony was furious to read Porzingis’ positive sentiments on an offense he disdains.

“Melo really chewed him out, lit into him,’’ the source said.

There were few positive comments regarding the triangle afterward from Porzingis, who proceeded to blow off his exit meeting in protest of the chaotic state of the Jackson-run franchise. Jackson admitted at his mid-April press conference the triangle was “met by resistance from the top’’ and “rebelliousness.’’

Charley Rosen, Jackson’s longtime confidant, wrote in a column Wednesday that Anthony’s “private complaining’’ led Porzingis to “become disrespectful to several members of the coaching staff.’’

In the end, the rebels won out...

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!! Berman is an expert. Undeniably one of the biggest authorities. If he says its SO then its SO. No one can deny his knowledge on the matter. He is the voice of wisdom when it comes to this subject. He has done the most research. The biggest resume with direct subject experience!!

SO IF HE SAYS THAT JELLY DONUTS ARE BETTER THAN OREO COOKIES......I BELIEVE HIM!!

However, Anyone that quotes this fat bastard regarding Badketball, loses all credibility.

I'm looking strictly at what he is REPORTING ON THE MELO/KP incident...he is not offering an opinion on the Triangle...there is a difference...a big difference.

If you want to doubt his sourcing, fine, but I'm going on the assumption that they are telling the truth.

Not even saying that Berman does his own research...but that does not mean the sources he is using here are incorrect, even if they are pro-Phil.

I'm no big fan of Berman by any stretch of the imagination, but you're starting to sound a bit like this guy I see tweeting a lot of stuff about "fake news" all the time.

Facts are facts, whether or not you want to except them. Goes for you, and that fake news tweeter I mentioned.

Walt if I remember correctly you were a vice principal or something like that at a school. HofstraB (aka LaVar's unwanted son) must remind you of some of your students in detention

I find funny how many Berman articles are treated as gospel when they **** on Phil though

Berman is one of few who went harsh on both guys. I am not sure if he is fake news or not, but I am dead sure when he is negative to Phil, he is credible suddenly.

When the news about Melo messing up with another woman was all over the place, no one in NY Media reported it. Isola and Bondy were silent, Ian Begley was silent. The only guy reporting it was Berman. For this reason, I somehow put him a little bit higher than other.

Actually, Phil is dead. He is not coming back, he is gone forever. Now he is a dead horse. Kept beating him may feel good, but I think it is not necessary. Please instead find a way to ask our winner Melo give us some picks. He wants to Cav or Rocket, good. But can he help us to get back some picks? Will he? Maybe he doesn't want to gut his new team? I don't know. He needs more support from our fans, obviously.

And Isiah Thomas......forget it.

Sinix wrote:Every coach melo has had has wanted him to play the 4 to the point where they say it publicly. Melo always resists. Melo always gets them fired when they can't take anymore of melo running his own game plan.

I remember one game last season, it was a last possession where Melo broke the play and you can see Jeff in the background throw up his arms, turn around and walk away.

He refused to run the offense and turned other players against it.

Chandler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/06/29/carmelo-anthony-not-off-trade-block-despite-phil-jacksons-exit/

In the second half of today's Berman article is info which seems to confirm and build on some things Rosen wrote about the Jackson, Anthony, KP melodrama.

I'm writing on the assumption that this story is true, and not simply someone like Rambis putting out disinformation to make Jackson look better.

If this is true, we get to learn what kind of leader Anthony really is/was, and why having him on the team will not allow KP to assert himself as a team leader.

Totally unacceptable to shut down and intimidate a young player expressing his mind. If you want to have competing beliefs and honest discussion over the Triangle, fine...but for Anthony to use his influence over KP to in essence stifle him is not good.

Though I never did join the Triangle cult, I always appreciated the ideas it was based on because I thought they represented the right way to play the game.

Have to figure then that Anthony might have influenced someone like Rose to denigrate or diminish the Triangle at times.

Not hard to believe that Melo would have done something like this to MDA, by the way.

Not sure that Hornacek or any future head coach should have to tailor an offense to accommodate the whims and wishes of Anthony at this point, and it will be interesting to see how Melo fits into any future system we play.

“Phil thought Carmelo was trying to sabotage him,’’ an NBA source said.

Anthony, who is the only Knick who has been a part of the four straight teams that have missed the playoffs, was considered disruptive in the locker room. On March 1, when the Knicks were last in Orlando finishing out the string against the Magic, Porzingis voiced his support of Jackson’s triangle offense.

“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should and we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said then. “So we’re a little behind. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it. I like the triangle. My whole first season, we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well.’’

According to an NBA source, Anthony was furious to read Porzingis’ positive sentiments on an offense he disdains.

“Melo really chewed him out, lit into him,’’ the source said.

There were few positive comments regarding the triangle afterward from Porzingis, who proceeded to blow off his exit meeting in protest of the chaotic state of the Jackson-run franchise. Jackson admitted at his mid-April press conference the triangle was “met by resistance from the top’’ and “rebelliousness.’’

Charley Rosen, Jackson’s longtime confidant, wrote in a column Wednesday that Anthony’s “private complaining’’ led Porzingis to “become disrespectful to several members of the coaching staff.’’

In the end, the rebels won out...

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!! Berman is an expert. Undeniably one of the biggest authorities. If he says its SO then its SO. No one can deny his knowledge on the matter. He is the voice of wisdom when it comes to this subject. He has done the most research. The biggest resume with direct subject experience!!

SO IF HE SAYS THAT JELLY DONUTS ARE BETTER THAN OREO COOKIES......I BELIEVE HIM!!

However, Anyone that quotes this fat bastard regarding Badketball, loses all credibility.

I'm looking strictly at what he is REPORTING ON THE MELO/KP incident...he is not offering an opinion on the Triangle...there is a difference...a big difference.

If you want to doubt his sourcing, fine, but I'm going on the assumption that they are telling the truth.

Not even saying that Berman does his own research...but that does not mean the sources he is using here are incorrect, even if they are pro-Phil.

I'm no big fan of Berman by any stretch of the imagination, but you're starting to sound a bit like this guy I see tweeting a lot of stuff about "fake news" all the time.

Facts are facts, whether or not you want to except them. Goes for you, and that fake news tweeter I mentioned.

Walt if I remember correctly you were a vice principal or something like that at a school. HofstraB (aka LaVar's unwanted son) must remind you of some of your students in detention

I find funny how many Berman articles are treated as gospel when they **** on Phil though

Until things get settled...I expect to see more arguments around here, and expect Berman and Isola to be stirring things up, of course.

Coached a lot too, and there have always been factions on teams. Some guys want to do things one way...some want to do it another way. You're always looking for a leader on a team, a guy who will keep folks in line-they are worth their weight in gold. I can count the good ones I had in 20+ years on one hand, and some of the best athletic performers I ever had were terrible leaders.

The team dynamic might be the most interesting thing to look at. Phil clearly f'd up, but had no Jordan or Kobie to keep people in line behind HIS way of doing things, and since he wasn't coaching, he did not have direct contact with them all the time.

Guys always talk about the good Woodson team from a few years agoo, but look at the leaders on that team...guys who were literally on their last legs, but who still commanded respect and knew what it took to win.

Chandler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/06/29/carmelo-anthony-not-off-trade-block-despite-phil-jacksons-exit/

In the second half of today's Berman article is info which seems to confirm and build on some things Rosen wrote about the Jackson, Anthony, KP melodrama.

I'm writing on the assumption that this story is true, and not simply someone like Rambis putting out disinformation to make Jackson look better.

If this is true, we get to learn what kind of leader Anthony really is/was, and why having him on the team will not allow KP to assert himself as a team leader.

Totally unacceptable to shut down and intimidate a young player expressing his mind. If you want to have competing beliefs and honest discussion over the Triangle, fine...but for Anthony to use his influence over KP to in essence stifle him is not good.

Though I never did join the Triangle cult, I always appreciated the ideas it was based on because I thought they represented the right way to play the game.

Have to figure then that Anthony might have influenced someone like Rose to denigrate or diminish the Triangle at times.

Not hard to believe that Melo would have done something like this to MDA, by the way.

Not sure that Hornacek or any future head coach should have to tailor an offense to accommodate the whims and wishes of Anthony at this point, and it will be interesting to see how Melo fits into any future system we play.

“Phil thought Carmelo was trying to sabotage him,’’ an NBA source said.

Anthony, who is the only Knick who has been a part of the four straight teams that have missed the playoffs, was considered disruptive in the locker room. On March 1, when the Knicks were last in Orlando finishing out the string against the Magic, Porzingis voiced his support of Jackson’s triangle offense.

“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should and we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said then. “So we’re a little behind. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it. I like the triangle. My whole first season, we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well.’’

According to an NBA source, Anthony was furious to read Porzingis’ positive sentiments on an offense he disdains.

“Melo really chewed him out, lit into him,’’ the source said.

There were few positive comments regarding the triangle afterward from Porzingis, who proceeded to blow off his exit meeting in protest of the chaotic state of the Jackson-run franchise. Jackson admitted at his mid-April press conference the triangle was “met by resistance from the top’’ and “rebelliousness.’’

Charley Rosen, Jackson’s longtime confidant, wrote in a column Wednesday that Anthony’s “private complaining’’ led Porzingis to “become disrespectful to several members of the coaching staff.’’

In the end, the rebels won out...

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!! Berman is an expert. Undeniably one of the biggest authorities. If he says its SO then its SO. No one can deny his knowledge on the matter. He is the voice of wisdom when it comes to this subject. He has done the most research. The biggest resume with direct subject experience!!

SO IF HE SAYS THAT JELLY DONUTS ARE BETTER THAN OREO COOKIES......I BELIEVE HIM!!

However, Anyone that quotes this fat bastard regarding Badketball, loses all credibility.

I'm looking strictly at what he is REPORTING ON THE MELO/KP incident...he is not offering an opinion on the Triangle...there is a difference...a big difference.

If you want to doubt his sourcing, fine, but I'm going on the assumption that they are telling the truth.

Not even saying that Berman does his own research...but that does not mean the sources he is using here are incorrect, even if they are pro-Phil.

I'm no big fan of Berman by any stretch of the imagination, but you're starting to sound a bit like this guy I see tweeting a lot of stuff about "fake news" all the time.

Facts are facts, whether or not you want to except them. Goes for you, and that fake news tweeter I mentioned.

Walt if I remember correctly you were a vice principal or something like that at a school. HofstraB (aka LaVar's unwanted son) must remind you of some of your students in detention

I find funny how many Berman articles are treated as gospel when they **** on Phil though

Your streak of useless posts is alive. Great guess on VP. Your oh so close. Please dont try to remember anything correctly. You have proven it is not possible. Berman's only Gospel is the one based on "Thou shalt not waste thy Big Mac"

WaltLongmire wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Oh I so believe it.
Makes sense.

Porzingis fully supported the Triangle, much like Ntilikina supports it now. He wanted it to be installed more consistent.

All of a sudden for him to change tune, yeah someone had his ear.
But I think it's deeper than Melo.

I think Porzingis' brothers agree with Melo.
I think they want Melo in NY because so long as Melo is in NY, it will allow KP to be brought along slowly without the losing put on him.
If Melo is traded, Porzingis now has Ewing like expectations on his shoulders.

Plus they simply don't get the game at the level Phil did.

Either way, this is just further example of the mess the franchise is in.
We should be smart and get rid of all the problems.
Phil's ego is gone.
Next should be Melo.

If KP still has issues, he should be dealt for 2 lottery picks. I'm fine with that. Move on kid, if that's what you are about (which I don't think he is).

Yeah...you have to wonder about whether KP's brothers had any role in any or all of this.

KP needs to be thinking about how to be a leader on and off the court, and I do feel that Anthony's presence on the team hinders his evolution as a player and team leader.

KP needs to learn what a good shot actually is and how to pass the ball before he can think of becoming some kind of leader.

HofstraBBall wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/06/29/carmelo-anthony-not-off-trade-block-despite-phil-jacksons-exit/

In the second half of today's Berman article is info which seems to confirm and build on some things Rosen wrote about the Jackson, Anthony, KP melodrama.

I'm writing on the assumption that this story is true, and not simply someone like Rambis putting out disinformation to make Jackson look better.

If this is true, we get to learn what kind of leader Anthony really is/was, and why having him on the team will not allow KP to assert himself as a team leader.

Totally unacceptable to shut down and intimidate a young player expressing his mind. If you want to have competing beliefs and honest discussion over the Triangle, fine...but for Anthony to use his influence over KP to in essence stifle him is not good.

Though I never did join the Triangle cult, I always appreciated the ideas it was based on because I thought they represented the right way to play the game.

Have to figure then that Anthony might have influenced someone like Rose to denigrate or diminish the Triangle at times.

Not hard to believe that Melo would have done something like this to MDA, by the way.

Not sure that Hornacek or any future head coach should have to tailor an offense to accommodate the whims and wishes of Anthony at this point, and it will be interesting to see how Melo fits into any future system we play.

“Phil thought Carmelo was trying to sabotage him,’’ an NBA source said.

Anthony, who is the only Knick who has been a part of the four straight teams that have missed the playoffs, was considered disruptive in the locker room. On March 1, when the Knicks were last in Orlando finishing out the string against the Magic, Porzingis voiced his support of Jackson’s triangle offense.

“We’re starting to learn it now the way we should and we should have been playing from the beginning of the season,” Porzingis said then. “So we’re a little behind. Hopefully, I don’t know when, we can start using it properly and making some impact playing it. I like the triangle. My whole first season, we played nothing but the triangle so I know it pretty well.’’

According to an NBA source, Anthony was furious to read Porzingis’ positive sentiments on an offense he disdains.

“Melo really chewed him out, lit into him,’’ the source said.

There were few positive comments regarding the triangle afterward from Porzingis, who proceeded to blow off his exit meeting in protest of the chaotic state of the Jackson-run franchise. Jackson admitted at his mid-April press conference the triangle was “met by resistance from the top’’ and “rebelliousness.’’

Charley Rosen, Jackson’s longtime confidant, wrote in a column Wednesday that Anthony’s “private complaining’’ led Porzingis to “become disrespectful to several members of the coaching staff.’’

In the end, the rebels won out...

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!! Berman is an expert. Undeniably one of the biggest authorities. If he says its SO then its SO. No one can deny his knowledge on the matter. He is the voice of wisdom when it comes to this subject. He has done the most research. The biggest resume with direct subject experience!!

SO IF HE SAYS THAT JELLY DONUTS ARE BETTER THAN OREO COOKIES......I BELIEVE HIM!!

However, Anyone that quotes this fat bastard regarding Badketball, loses all credibility.

I'm looking strictly at what he is REPORTING ON THE MELO/KP incident...he is not offering an opinion on the Triangle...there is a difference...a big difference.

If you want to doubt his sourcing, fine, but I'm going on the assumption that they are telling the truth.

Not even saying that Berman does his own research...but that does not mean the sources he is using here are incorrect, even if they are pro-Phil.

I'm no big fan of Berman by any stretch of the imagination, but you're starting to sound a bit like this guy I see tweeting a lot of stuff about "fake news" all the time.

Facts are facts, whether or not you want to except them. Goes for you, and that fake news tweeter I mentioned.

True. Was more of a satirical comment on Berman and his fluff filled articles. Not a comment on your thread. My point on the subject is that... KP had two years and many other reasons to build his opinion about Phil. I will give KP more credit than to think his opinion was based soley on what Melo may have said to him. KP is too smart and a grown man. Berman is clearly focused on stiring drama. Which is what people want to believe. Which is the reason why i have never given Berman any credibility about what is truly going on with the Knicks.

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Oh I so believe it.
Makes sense.

Porzingis fully supported the Triangle, much like Ntilikina supports it now. He wanted it to be installed more consistent.

All of a sudden for him to change tune, yeah someone had his ear.
But I think it's deeper than Melo.

I think Porzingis' brothers agree with Melo.
I think they want Melo in NY because so long as Melo is in NY, it will allow KP to be brought along slowly without the losing put on him.
If Melo is traded, Porzingis now has Ewing like expectations on his shoulders.

Plus they simply don't get the game at the level Phil did.

Either way, this is just further example of the mess the franchise is in.
We should be smart and get rid of all the problems.
Phil's ego is gone.
Next should be Melo.

If KP still has issues, he should be dealt for 2 lottery picks. I'm fine with that. Move on kid, if that's what you are about (which I don't think he is).

Yeah...you have to wonder about whether KP's brothers had any role in any or all of this.

KP needs to be thinking about how to be a leader on and off the court, and I do feel that Anthony's presence on the team hinders his evolution as a player and team leader.

KP needs to learn what a good shot actually is and how to pass the ball before he can think of becoming some kind of leader.

Yep, something thats not brought up enough. People get upset when I say Chucker, but this is the part of his game that troubles me the most. I see a lot of Carmelo Anthony seeping into his game and thats a terrible thing. KP should get in the post, no player thats 7'3" should be taking this many outside shots. Its great that he has that range but thats only valuable when your not standing on the perimeter 90% of the game.

I expected some new post moves for him coming into last season, and he made some improvement, but I saw no consistent hook shot, no McHale type game, and I actually thought his J flattened out a bit. He also came in using the backboard more but seemed to use it less often as the season when on.

I think I can say that I'm as big a fan of KP as anyone on this forum, but I also expect more from him and was disappointed at times with him. He needs some of those automatic shots that great players, especially big men, have.

Hopefully he comes back with something this year. Heard Hahn say he is working on something along the line of what Dirk does, which should be a pretty unstoppable shot. We will see.