fishmike wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:Not to harken back to the Montreal Screwjob, but KP didn't get Phil Jackson fired. Phil screwed Phil. He knows it, the NBA knows it, and objectivity knows it.

yea... KP is a kid. He's gonna make mistakes. Its not like he's been surrounded by the pinnacle of stability here.

fish, I like you. You're level-headed and even when I disagree with your opinions I respect them. I hope you're right on this one. I see troubling flags and it's not just the exit issue

During the season he had these stupid tweets to Instagram models, after the season he had stupid tweets to other teenage Instagram models, he has the CLippers tweet, he has the exit interview fiasco, and more important than that he had the silent treatment after that to team and coaches, compounded by his equally stupid brother as agent and seriously stupe "fr [for real]" tweet mirroring Melo's "really" tweet. The latter shows you who he is really modeling himself after.

As a rookie he was a dream come true; as a sophomore he has at least had errors in judgment.

If I were supreme ruler of the Knicks I would be watching this super closely. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to extreme frustration but even if true a future team leader would have handled this situation a 1,000,000x better -- even by simply showing up at the meeting and otherwise keeping his mouth shut. There were much, much better ways to handle this.

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HofstraBBall wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:I am one of your biggest fans. I think you are the man. With that said, you have been in the league for a total of 2 years and you just helped get a GM (and therefore, probably a coach as well) fired. It's fine that the GM did get fired. With that said, you dakn well better be working on your game to prove why you are the man. Bc if you have another 18/7 season with a somewhat low FG% and no defense and a lot of settling for bad shots with no improvement, then consoder yourself a target. The spotlight is officially on you my friend. Take advantage of it for the best.

Love, Allanfan20

Dear AllanFan20

I dont give a **** what you think.

KP

Phil got Phil fired. KP has improved greatly each year. No reason to think he wont once again. He is one of the best young players in the league. He is doing what he has to do. Which is work on his game and improve. He does not have to concern himself with the idiot fan base or their expectations. As 29 others would take him in a heart beat.

KP did not improve greatly last year unless you're counting backstabbing as an improved skill.
His WS48 was .102 in his first year where .100 is average.
His WS 48 last year was .100, which is exactly average.

He is an inefficient chucker who should be ashamed of himself that he doesnt average 10 boards

Ah, a troll.

I can't stand the kid anymore, you all will be wishing we moved him for Jackson on draft night.

No, we all won't. Some of us on't obsess over things that don't work out according to our fantasies.

There are so many reasons to of traded KP. One, this is a guard and wing league. Centers are no longer a valued position. 2. His Injury risk, how many 7'3" players have long and productive careers, the guy has already missed 30 games in 2 seasons. 3. Inefficient shooter with no post game, you can't be 7'3" and shoot 44%.
4. Poor rebounder, this was evident from every tape I have ever seen of KP. 5. Attitude, this kid is throwing his weight around like he is Lebron James, for the rest of his career we will have to deal with temper tantrums.

Yet he is miles ahead of everyone but one guy in his draft class.

Perhaps you'd like to consider a Jahil Okafor trade?

Like I said Guard and Wing league should of traded him to Boston

Why does Boston want a front court player in a wing and guard league?

A kink in your plan, eh?

Ask Boston there the ones who picked up the phone. I wouldn't of traded an asset and the 3rd pick but apparently they were willing to do so, we got greedy.

No, there is absolutely no indication they were. None. Fans like yourself are going to keep clinging to and repeating the idea because you want to, not because it makes any sense.

You and Briggs and others make it sound like trading KP for a draft pick is some no brainer decision, but again your premise requires another NBA team ... a good one at the moment ... doesn't know that either.

Its at this point a reasonable person starts to question their assumptions for its lack of internal logic.

In my opinion Jackson is a number 1 type guy, I trade the number 2 or 3 guy for the one every day of the week.

Number 1 one type that fell to 4.

However after his cancerous actions this off-season, I can't stomach turning this franchise over to other passive aggressive me first player who shoots in the low 40's.

Yes you can and you will.

Complaining on a message board to a few dozen of your fellow fans is not 'not stomaching' it. So long as you continue to follow the Knicks, watch (and maybe go to) their games, buy their merchandise and engage in discussion about them as THE team you follow, you ARE stomaching it.

When you can't stomach the food at a restaurant you don't go back. If you eat three meals a day there every day, you don't get to say you can't stomach the food.

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Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:Not to harken back to the Montreal Screwjob, but KP didn't get Phil Jackson fired. Phil screwed Phil. He knows it, the NBA knows it, and objectivity knows it.

yea... KP is a kid. He's gonna make mistakes. Its not like he's been surrounded by the pinnacle of stability here.

fish, I like you. You're level-headed and even when I disagree with your opinions I respect them. I hope you're right on this one. I see troubling flags and it's not just the exit issue

During the season he had these stupid tweets to Instagram models, after the season he had stupid tweets to other teenage Instagram models, he has the CLippers tweet, he has the exit interview fiasco, and more important than that he had the silent treatment after that to team and coaches, compounded by his equally stupid brother as agent and seriously stupe "fr [for real]" tweet mirroring Melo's "really" tweet. The latter shows you who he is really modeling himself after.

As a rookie he was a dream come true; as a sophomore he has at least had errors in judgment.

If I were supreme ruler of the Knicks I would be watching this super closely. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to extreme frustration but even if true a future team leader would have handled this situation a 1,000,000x better -- even by simply showing up at the meeting and otherwise keeping his mouth shut. There were much, much better ways to handle this.

This is why Phil considered trading him.

Yeah I know but that was also clouded by the issue that Phil has an immense ego (at least with prior success to back it up). I'm just saying I'm not in the camp to simply forget it and chalk it up as a thing of the past

I'm more in the "trust but verify" camp -- to use a cold-war phrase for those old enough to remember

Chandler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

toodarkmark wrote:Not to harken back to the Montreal Screwjob, but KP didn't get Phil Jackson fired. Phil screwed Phil. He knows it, the NBA knows it, and objectivity knows it.

yea... KP is a kid. He's gonna make mistakes. Its not like he's been surrounded by the pinnacle of stability here.

fish, I like you. You're level-headed and even when I disagree with your opinions I respect them. I hope you're right on this one. I see troubling flags and it's not just the exit issue

During the season he had these stupid tweets to Instagram models, after the season he had stupid tweets to other teenage Instagram models, he has the CLippers tweet, he has the exit interview fiasco, and more important than that he had the silent treatment after that to team and coaches, compounded by his equally stupid brother as agent and seriously stupe "fr [for real]" tweet mirroring Melo's "really" tweet. The latter shows you who he is really modeling himself after.

As a rookie he was a dream come true; as a sophomore he has at least had errors in judgment.

If I were supreme ruler of the Knicks I would be watching this super closely. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to extreme frustration but even if true a future team leader would have handled this situation a 1,000,000x better -- even by simply showing up at the meeting and otherwise keeping his mouth shut. There were much, much better ways to handle this.

I think expecting a 21 year old to demonstrate a high level of leadership then openly feeling trade offers when he doesnt really seems like classic Knicks. KP is really a victim of his own success. He was so posed and good his first year people just expect him to take huge next steps. He's really just acting his age. He's 21! He's supposed to chase chicks! When he's clubbing before playoff games then we have something.. thats a real red flag.

I just think this has been over dramatized and poorly handled by the Knicks. KP's future is bright and all ahead of him. A good org will listen to him and stand by him and understand that he's going to make mistakes and not be perfect, and work to keep him on the same page.

Its also REALLY hard to judge what is happening with the media noise, Dolan's presence, Phil's non-communication and the general Knick dysfunction. Maybe KP's slips are a result of that, maybe he's the sanest one in that swamp and is trying exert positive influence to make it better. A pretty thought, but I honestly have no idea. Im not sure anyone really does except those who are really close. Do we trust any of them?

And Chandler... thanks dude

Chandler wrote:KAT seems to be handling leadership just fine.

Not that a comparison to one guy is even the point, but surely you recognize Town's and KP's situations are as about apples and oranges as you can get.

Chandler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Chandler wrote:KAT seems to be handling leadership just fine.

Not that a comparison to one guy is even the point, but surely you recognize Town's and KP's situations are as about apples and oranges as you can get.

I'll admit that. I'm not trying to blow the KP thing out of proportion. I'm just concerned

Will you admit that the "fr" post was a homage to Melo's "really" post and a concern worth monitoring?

In all honesty, I can't, because I'm not familiar. I have no issues with social media but not much of a taste for following athletes and NO taste for interpreting social media posts to speculate on their meaning.

I detest the "XX just followed yy on Twitter, that must mean he's getting traded there" era of sports journalism/message boarding.

So maybe it's concerning, I wouldn't know. From your description, however, it seems some deciphering is required.