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Knickoftime
Posts: 24159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2011 Member: #3370 |
6/22/2017 10:44 PM
The NBA draft is a ton of fun and it's natural to look like and dislike players you seen in college, but the irony of it is any NBA fan's bonafides isn't how well you think you can evaluate college freshmen in comparison to one another but how much you understand the draft is a mostly a crap shoot. None of us have any idea how it'll turn out.
Who here can claim to have known a year of the arguably top 4 NBA rookies this last year, none of them would be drafted in the 2016 1st round? |
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ekstarks94
Posts: 21065 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/5/2015 Member: #6104 |
6/22/2017 10:53 PM
Knickoftime wrote:The NBA draft is a ton of fun and it's natural to look like and dislike players you seen in college, but the irony of it is any NBA fan's bonafides isn't how well you think you can evaluate college freshmen in comparison to one another but how much you understand the draft is a mostly a crap shoot. None of us have any idea how it'll turn out. Flashback to 2015.....the "people" wanted .....Winslow...ok4....Mudiay....etc...name another player in the top 15 of that draft that touches KP and KAT status....just in the top 5...one got traded in a salary dump, 2 nailed the bench OK4 and Herzonja... We do not know what Frank can be....but Gaines and Phil have been on this kid...just like KP...let's wait and see |
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dacash
Posts: 21141 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 10/17/2006 Member: #1179 |
6/22/2017 11:06 PM
wow three pages, the only players ppl loved the knicks picking were cleanthony early, jerian grant etc guys that really should be much much better given the fact that they stayed in college 4 years. nobody, i mean NOBODY , on this site can honestly say they watched games in which this guy played.but we all read that that the knicks euro scout Kevin Wilson did, thought enough of him top have mills and gaines come down to watch him personally. and they liked what they saw.
from before the draft heated up ,im talking months ago phil was said to have liked him, we all knew it was going top happen there are threads about it lots of threads.now that it has happen the knicks were fooled into doing exactly what everyone knew they were going to do. really. all u arm chair scouts just like porzingus did he may surprise u,but god in heaven let him play a damn game. |
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Knixkik
Posts: 35753 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
6/22/2017 11:15 PM LAST EDITED: 6/22/2017 11:19 PM
Gotta love how Dallas wants us to believe Smith was the guy all along. Meanwhile, they are sitting there with Frank's coach on their payroll and their thumbs up their asses. Think about that for a minute. They wanted this guy bad. And at the end of the day, they couldn't get that pick from Minn with Jimmy Butler in the mix.
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
6/22/2017 11:19 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:The NBA draft is a ton of fun and it's natural to look like and dislike players you seen in college, but the irony of it is any NBA fan's bonafides isn't how well you think you can evaluate college freshmen in comparison to one another but how much you understand the draft is a mostly a crap shoot. None of us have any idea how it'll turn out. Very true. History proves its wise to go against the flow here. I usually do for a multitude of reasons |
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
6/22/2017 11:26 PM
ekstarks94 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:The NBA draft is a ton of fun and it's natural to look like and dislike players you seen in college, but the irony of it is any NBA fan's bonafides isn't how well you think you can evaluate college freshmen in comparison to one another but how much you understand the draft is a mostly a crap shoot. None of us have any idea how it'll turn out. Yup...said something similar in a KP trade thread. The KP draft was supposed to be a great draft too, and while there are a number of very good players in it who were not taken in the top 10, and it is still too early to evaluate some players fully, there are a number of players in that draft who were taken early based on what we've seen so far. Have to trust what our scouts saw in Ntilikina, and he is hardly an unknown talent like some would make him out to be. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
6/22/2017 11:28 PM
dacash wrote:wow three pages, the only players ppl loved the knicks picking were cleanthony early, jerian grant etc guys that really should be much much better given the fact that they stayed in college 4 years. nobody, i mean NOBODY , on this site can honestly say they watched games in which this guy played.but we all read that that the knicks euro scout Kevin Wilson did, thought enough of him top have mills and gaines come down to watch him personally. and they liked what they saw. Here here! EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
6/22/2017 11:37 PM
Knixkik wrote:Gotta love how Dallas wants us to believe Smith was the guy all along. Meanwhile, they are sitting there with Frank's coach on their payroll and their thumbs up their asses. Think about that for a minute. They wanted this guy bad. And at the end of the day, they couldn't get that pick from Minn with Jimmy Butler in the mix. Yep Cuban isn't above lying and they tried to skip us. Wolves just got a nuvhbbetternoffer from the Bulls The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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NYKBocker
Posts: 38514 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
6/22/2017 11:57 PM
Fuck Cuban
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
6/23/2017 12:06 AM
NYKBocker wrote:Fuck Cuban Word I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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Nalod
Posts: 72083 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
6/23/2017 12:08 AM LAST EDITED: 6/23/2017 12:09 AM
Dallas just trying to make the kid and fans feel good that "They got their man".
No harm there. |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
6/23/2017 12:59 AM
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Dallas was all in for Frank. The Mavs scouted him for over a year, the owner and pres flew to France last week to watch him play and meet with him, and they hired his coach to be on the coaching staff. That is a lot of time, money and energy invested in a player they didn't get. Smith might end up being the better pro but he wasn't rated over Frank on the Mavs draft board.Tim MacMahonVerified account @espn_macmahon I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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fitzfarm
Posts: 25280 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/28/2010 Member: #3285 |
6/23/2017 2:34 AM
Just wait till frank dominantates DSJ on both ends I don't understand where frank got a bad shooting rep because he shot 43% from three, he's a dead eye, a proven winner in a pro league .. dead eye and proven winner are two things djs resume is missing . On top of his awful defense and how he disappeared in big games and struggled to make his teammates better.. oh and nitty is a lockdown defender,who is huge and still growing
Not only did we draft the best player available at 8... we got the steal of the draft |
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fishmike
Posts: 53902 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
6/23/2017 9:37 AM
Knickoftime wrote:followed by cranky empty whiney posts in every thread now. Good stuff.SocraticBallin22 wrote:Tim MacMahonVerified account @espn_macmahon Dennis Smith has Steve Francis written all over him with a balky knee and attitude issues which may or may not translate into a winning player. Smith is a good prospect. I would have been fine if they took Smith. They had their reasons for passing, as did 7 other teams. The same scouting staff that picked KP and Willy took Ntilikina but these guys will spazz about spout over "CLEARLY" passing on a better talent. Funny. One player had good #s on a losing NCAA team. The other flew in late and had to pass on workouts because his team was in the finals and despite nothing being more important to Frank's future than the draft he didnt want to miss any time with the team or see the series end early. Dude's a winner. Who is a better NBA will show over time. Maybe its Smith. Maybe its Frank. The drama is just that. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Chandler
Posts: 26898 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
6/23/2017 9:46 AM
Knixkik wrote:Gotta love how Dallas wants us to believe Smith was the guy all along. Meanwhile, they are sitting there with Frank's coach on their payroll and their thumbs up their asses. Think about that for a minute. They wanted this guy bad. And at the end of the day, they couldn't get that pick from Minn with Jimmy Butler in the mix. also even if true, it's more stupid of them to let it go public. What good comes from that. If Frank ends up a player and DSJ a dud they'll look foolish. Why wouldn't they wait until DSJ shines before going public with how "smart" they were DSJ was also highly rumored to Orlando at 6; how did they fake those guys out? (5)(7)
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Welpee
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/22/2016 Member: #6239 |
6/23/2017 10:23 AM
I'm more worried about Ntilikina vs Monk than Ntilikina vs Smith.
I don't think Smith will get to Steve Francis's level. Francis had a brief run as one of the best guards in the league. I see Smith as a more athletic version of OJ Mayo. He may put up decent numbers but he may also end up playing for five or six teams during the course of his career. |
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nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
6/23/2017 11:30 AM
fishmike wrote:Knickoftime wrote:followed by cranky empty whiney posts in every thread now. Good stuff.SocraticBallin22 wrote:Tim MacMahonVerified account @espn_macmahon i think the bolded is a great point, fish. there are a bunch of red-flags with dennis smith, one of them being MOTOR, which is not something i want to bring into this franchise. frankN has just spent his time playing in championship basketball and flying overseas just to show up for the team that drafted him. smith may turn out to be a nice player, but i'm ok with frankN based on his perceived character, as well as the history of reese gaines. "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
6/23/2017 11:41 AM
Ntlikina, Smith and Monk will all be good players. I wish all of them success in the NBA. Ntlikina just brings more to the game that the Knicks need. The Knicks need was Size, defense and versatility. Ntlikina can probably play three positions easily. I like the pick I see length with skills and vision. He has a very good first step and you can see he has good explosion once he gets by his man.
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