newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.

They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.

They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.

I was cool with Hinkies general idea. My only issue was no attempt at actually building a team. No reason to have drafted Embild, Noel and Okafor. Should have moved down during the Okafor draft if they wanted to maintain value and actually filled in needs.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.

They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.

I was cool with Hinkies general idea. My only issue was no attempt at actually building a team. No reason to have drafted Embild, Noel and Okafor. Should have moved down during the Okafor draft if they wanted to maintain value and actually filled in needs.

I heard that the only reason Hinkie drafted Okafor, was because of ownerships demand to have sure-fire player and due to their desire to win now. It stands to reason that makes sense because Hinkie left later that season after they brought in the Colangelos and D'Antoni.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.

They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.

I was cool with Hinkies general idea. My only issue was no attempt at actually building a team. No reason to have drafted Embild, Noel and Okafor. Should have moved down during the Okafor draft if they wanted to maintain value and actually filled in needs.

I heard that the only reason Hinkie drafted Okafor, was because of ownerships demand to have sure-fire player and due to their desire to win now. It stands to reason that makes sense because Hinkie left later that season after they brought in the Colangelos and D'Antoni.

Which is weird given the fact that Okafors flaws as an anti modern bball slow footed one dimensional Iso scorer completely goes against the analytic principals. But I think the Okafor pick and trading MCW for more draft picks rather than an in prime proven stud. But with them landing Simmons they have a player to now try and give them direction.

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

If a big market team had all the good young players that the 76ers have, big name free agents wouldn't be as hard to get as they are for the 76ers. If they could get a couple of big name free agents to sign with them to be the leaders of a good young core like they have the 76ers would be a good team but because they're the 76ers they can't get any big name players to sign with them.

They haven't been targeting big name free agents. They haven't been targeting free agents at all until Colangelo assumed the helm this past offseason. Instead, the Sixers have used their cap space as a tool to accrue more draft picks and assets that are paired with contracts teams no longer want.

I was cool with Hinkies general idea. My only issue was no attempt at actually building a team. No reason to have drafted Embild, Noel and Okafor. Should have moved down during the Okafor draft if they wanted to maintain value and actually filled in needs.

I heard that the only reason Hinkie drafted Okafor, was because of ownerships demand to have sure-fire player and due to their desire to win now. It stands to reason that makes sense because Hinkie left later that season after they brought in the Colangelos and D'Antoni.

Which is weird given the fact that Okafors flaws as an anti modern bball slow footed one dimensional Iso scorer completely goes against the analytic principals. But I think the Okafor pick and trading MCW for more draft picks rather than an in prime proven stud. But with them landing Simmons they have a player to now try and give them direction.

And as devout an analytics guy as Hinkie was, it makes it so much more unlikely that he freely made that pick. All in all, I think he did a good job with that franchise but never had the opportunity to see it through. But he got the right talent for the team (Embiid and Saric) and dumped those for better assets, who were not panning out (MCW for picks).

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.

Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?

Not miss out. We were talking about TRADING the players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.

There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.

Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.

Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?

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Not miss out. We were talking about : thev players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.

There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.

Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.

Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.

I am criticizing the sixers, never said anything about Hinkie, that's how you reading something into my words that wasn't there. To repeat what I was saying- I am not a fan of picking players in the draft and letting them go 2-3 years later to then reset, rinse and repeat. Year from now they'll be trading Simmons and OK4

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.

Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?

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Not miss out. We were talking about : thev players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.

There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.

Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.

Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.

I am criticizing the sixers, never said anything about Hinkie, that's how you reading something into my words that wasn't there. To repeat what I was saying- I am not a fan of picking players in the draft and letting them go 2-3 years later to then reset, rinse and repeat. Year from now they'll be trading Simmons and OK4

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Even suggesting trading him for a future pick just seems absurd. KP and Willy can co-exist. Should we just draft players, let them play for a year or two, then continue to trade them for future picks? And just repeat the cycle over and over? At what point does this stop? Adding extra picks when possible is smart, but we can't continue to prolong a rebuild further and further into the future. We have a young core started, and need to commit to building upon that.

This is how I feel. Let them play and see what we have. Otherwise we would be like the Sixers. I don't like what KP6 did (missing interview) but as long as he comes back Beyer and focused on team basketball, I am willing to write that off as a young kid making a mistake.

What's wrong with what the Sixers have done? If they stay healthy and capitalize off the assets Hinkie brought in, they'll be one of the most compelling teams in the league. I wish we were in their position (with Sam Hinkie; definitely not Bryan Colangelo).

They had lots of high picks and some of those got recycled exactly along the lines of what Knixkik said. They traded Evan Turner (pick 2), MCW.(12?) then Noel. Think that was enough of a core along with Embiid and OK4 to be competitive right now? If they kept the first two and taxed Noel for a good SG/SF they would be rocking by now.

Who did the Sixers miss out on with their picks other than Okafor instead of Porzingis?

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Not miss out. We were talking about : thev players they picked in a year or two see the bolded part for context.

There is no bolded part but I still don't see how anyone could have issue with dumping the likes of MCW and KJ McDaniels for picks. They weren't going to work out, so he cut ties with them ASAP for assets. I don't see the shame in that especially given the players left in their respective drafts made them the BPA.

Noel and ET were picked top 2 and dumped as well. If that is how you want to build a team then we disagree.

Nerlens Noel was actually picked 6th and was dumped AFTER Hinkie was let go. Evan Turner was picked 2nd long before Hinkie was brought in and let go just before he became a free agent. I don't see uow either fits the criteria you are criticizing them by.

I am criticizing the sixers, never said anything about Hinkie, that's how you reading something into my words that wasn't there. To repeat what I was saying- I am not a fan of picking players in the draft and letting them go 2-3 years later to then reset, rinse and repeat. Year from now they'll be trading Simmons and OK4

Well considering that I was the first person to introduce the 76ers (under Sam Hinkie) as an example of a well-run rebuilding team, I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that I still thought this was the context without you pointing out that you were changing the parameters for the discussion.

Dude you have completely lost me. I responded to a post by Knixkik, you jumped into the thread and stayed defending Hinkie without anybody ever having said anything. I think you have this thing ass backwards.

Yeah, you're right. You had mentioned the Sixers before I started talking about Hinkie. My bad.

Melo n KP performance would be on my must trade list .. what fans see in their performance has me scratching my head after every Knicks loss the past two seasons.