nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:but back to melo vs love its silly to compare a offensive stud like melo to love who depends on getting open looks where melo can create his own looks

It's much easier to get a sense of what Melo would add by looking at the Isolation scoring Stats. Melo is the more prolific ISO scorer and as such he's not so overly dependent on Assisted Scoring. Love puts up numbers but when the Defense gets really tough and shuts down open looks Melo is able to take his many and make tough shots.

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                                                                     FT     TO    SF     ONE   SCORE
PLAYER	        TEAM GP	POSS FREQ   PPP   PTS  FGM  FGA  FG%   EFG%  FREQ   FREQ  FREQ   FREQ  FREQ   PERCENTILE
Carmelo Anthony NYK  74	5.3  23.1%  0.99  5.2  1.9  4.4  44.2  46.8  13.8%   5.4% 14.1%	 3.1%  47.3%	78.3
Kevin Love      CLE  61	1.0  5.5%   0.84  0.9  0.3  0.8  42.0  43.0   8.1%  11.3%  8.1%  0.0%  41.9%	50.8
LeBron James    CLE  74	5.1  20.3%  0.97  5.0  1.8  4.2  43.5  49.5  12.7%   8.0% 11.9%  3.7%  44.6%	76.6

Heck, if we didn't already have bloated/hurt Noah, I wouldn't mind adding Thompson- that certainly takes Melo off the books and halves his salary, more or less.

Melo is 33 so trading him for Love or Kyrie is farfetched.... but if Anyone should be traded its Kyrie. Also their role players like jr Smith, Shump, Deron Williams, Korver, Frye, Jefferson... all of them have been trash. They should all play better in Cleveland in game 3 though.

Bonn1997 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Love is doing what he's supposed to do... the guy that's stinking up the place for them is Kyrie Irving.... the dude is a And1 mixtape player.... if he isn't going ham with his moves to the basket, he's absolutely worthless to the Cavs. He doesn't play defense and he doesn't make others better with his passing.

Melo is 33 so trading him for Love or Kyrie is farfetched.... but if Anyone should be traded its Kyrie. Also their role players like jr Smith, Shump, Deron Williams, Korver, Frye, Jefferson... all of them have been trash. They should all play better in Cleveland in game 3 though.

Kyrie isn't normally this bad. He has a knee injury according to basketball reference.

Kyrie has been dealing with knee issues since college. He's been hurt every single year...but it's ironic that when he's got it going he's cutting back and forth like a Flubber in a Disney movie. Cavs gotta get him going. That's the beauty of guys like Wade and Ray Allen... they know how to play the game so they were always effective. Kyrie has to be the focal point to get his juices going. Cant really get a player close to his Talent via trade so im just talking for nothing.

Nalod wrote:Credit the Warrior defense who ranks high in blocks and steals!! That fuels the offense.
Credit not the lack of good play by the Cavs, but cred to the Warriors who have NOT LOST A GAME IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!

They won 67 games in regular season.
Im reading how "bad" Klay is playing in the playoffs. Im sorry, how many games they lose? Is the dude contributing in other ways, like PLAYING DEFENSE???????

Really, we are burying the Cav's and remaking them because they are spent? Or can we focus on what is really happening out there which is the execution of play and chemistry.
Forget on paper matchups, Love can't guard anyone when GSW goes small. Its not a diss on him, its a match up problem.
GSW has two MVPs on the team. Klay is "sacrificing" his game for what? WINS!!!!! Thats what you do when you "sacrifice".

Credit GSW fine play, execution and defensive prowess as the reason Cav's look bad.
Best story line is Cav's still sending Mike Brown a pay check. They fired him with three years on his deal hoping they could get Tom Izzo to coach and Lebron would not leave.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Paris907 wrote:If you want more ISO ball and stagnation call 1800 cal-Melo! Love isn't the offensive player Melo was but gets his points within the offense. Melo needs a team that can play him off the bench or a guard like Chris Paul that can control the Rock and deny Melo the ball when he's cold aka the entire 4th Quarter. Love can board. And neither plays crisp D.

Exactly. I'm sure that if Love wanted to be a 25 PPG scorer on a .400 team as the #1 option, he could still do that too. He has a versatile offensive game but his primary role in Cleveland is to spread the floor and make working inside easier for Lebron.

No love is a spot up three point shooter, when was the last time you saw love in the post calling for it and hit a turnaround. When was the last time he put the ball on the floor and created his own shot . It's silly to say love is even on the same playing field talent wise as melo esp on offense. Now I get that melo is older and that might be a reason the cavs don't make the trade.

But watching the cavs right now and they are lacking a scorer like melo, they have plenty of spot up three point shooters and a magic johnson in Lebron. They are missing a polished mid range scorer who demands the attention of the defense.

Again k love doesn't match up well vs Durant or green sure he'll get you 3 point buckets and rebounds but he can't go toe to toe with Durant and again they have plenty of three point shooters and rebounders...

Also I'll say it again k love is a minus defender not to say melo is better but he sure is quicker

Top 7
Thompson/Frye
Melo
James
Lee/Smith
Irving

I wouldn't do Love for Melo if I were them. But if we added CLee, who is a perfect fit for what they like to do. I would do it if I were the Cavs.

On our end I'd like to see Love move to a 3rd team.

GSW moves the ball, move themselves, and live by early offense, ever one of there key players can catch and shoot, their offense is so good that they can get by on avg defense. They are a combination of MDA, and POP.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Paris907 wrote:If you want more ISO ball and stagnation call 1800 cal-Melo! Love isn't the offensive player Melo was but gets his points within the offense. Melo needs a team that can play him off the bench or a guard like Chris Paul that can control the Rock and deny Melo the ball when he's cold aka the entire 4th Quarter. Love can board. And neither plays crisp D.

Exactly. I'm sure that if Love wanted to be a 25 PPG scorer on a .400 team as the #1 option, he could still do that too. He has a versatile offensive game but his primary role in Cleveland is to spread the floor and make working inside easier for Lebron.

No love is a spot up three point shooter, when was the last time you saw love in the post calling for it and hit a turnaround. When was the last time he put the ball on the floor and created his own shot . It's silly to say love is even on the same playing field talent wise as melo esp on offense. Now I get that melo is older and that might be a reason the cavs don't make the trade.

But watching the cavs right now and they are lacking a scorer like melo, they have plenty of spot up three point shooters and a magic johnson in Lebron. They are missing a polished mid range scorer who demands the attention of the defense.

Again k love doesn't match up well vs Durant or green sure he'll get you 3 point buckets and rebounds but he can't go toe to toe with Durant and again they have plenty of three point shooters and rebounders...

Also I'll say it again k love is a minus defender not to say melo is better but he sure is quicker

This is all simply wrong. Even in the role Love has now, he still takes and makes more 2s than 3s a game. I'm not sure if you're actually watching the games, considering your comments. Love definitely still operates in the post. It's just not as much as he did in his Minnesota days. Last game, he had 10 2-pointers and 2 3-pointers. Please take a look at his baskets from the last game.

meloshouldgo wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Paris907 wrote:If you want more ISO ball and stagnation call 1800 cal-Melo! Love isn't the offensive player Melo was but gets his points within the offense. Melo needs a team that can play him off the bench or a guard like Chris Paul that can control the Rock and deny Melo the ball when he's cold aka the entire 4th Quarter. Love can board. And neither plays crisp D.

Exactly. I'm sure that if Love wanted to be a 25 PPG scorer on a .400 team as the #1 option, he could still do that too. He has a versatile offensive game but his primary role in Cleveland is to spread the floor and make working inside easier for Lebron.

No love is a spot up three point shooter, when was the last time you saw love in the post calling for it and hit a turnaround. When was the last time he put the ball on the floor and created his own shot . It's silly to say love is even on the same playing field talent wise as melo esp on offense. Now I get that melo is older and that might be a reason the cavs don't make the trade.

But watching the cavs right now and they are lacking a scorer like melo, they have plenty of spot up three point shooters and a magic johnson in Lebron. They are missing a polished mid range scorer who demands the attention of the defense.

Again k love doesn't match up well vs Durant or green sure he'll get you 3 point buckets and rebounds but he can't go toe to toe with Durant and again they have plenty of three point shooters and rebounders...

Also I'll say it again k love is a minus defender not to say melo is better but he sure is quicker

This is all simply wrong. Even in the role Love has now, he still takes and makes more 2s than 3s a game. I'm not sure if you're actually watching the games, considering your comments. Love definitely still operates in the post. It's just not as much as he did in his Minnesota days. Last game, he had 10 2-pointers and 2 3-pointers. Please take a look at his baskets from the last game.

again his points are off of put backs and spot ups getting incredible passes from lebron i saw one turn around everything else was spot ups. look k love is a great talent but to put him in the same category of melo is silly. what would Melo do with lebron passing him the rock
?

So to sum up your argument - Kevin Love is making his points off of incredible passes from Lebron and what would Melo do of the same? Could be remotely possible that Melo would be getting his points off of the same passes? But when Melo gets a put back or a spot up it would definitely count for more than when Kevin Love gets them, because comparing Kevin Love to Melo is silly. Got it, I am with you now.

thats not what I'm saying, I'm saying that melo can have a huge impact on a cavs team that has lebron and kyrie and watching k love be a weak spot on defense because he can't guard smaller players. i personally feel melo would click better with lebron and in these dark knick days i think we are under rating our own super star. the game would be so much easier for melo with lebron and kyrie also melo has a clutch factor and also performs in big games. k love is a star thats a fact but melo brings something completely to the table then love. a line up of kyrie,jr,lebron,melo,thompson matches up a lot better with the warriors then there current line up with love, that is pretty obvious. A motivated melo can play better defense then love hands down. melo is just overall a more talented player.

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Paris907 wrote:If you want more ISO ball and stagnation call 1800 cal-Melo! Love isn't the offensive player Melo was but gets his points within the offense. Melo needs a team that can play him off the bench or a guard like Chris Paul that can control the Rock and deny Melo the ball when he's cold aka the entire 4th Quarter. Love can board. And neither plays crisp D.

Exactly. I'm sure that if Love wanted to be a 25 PPG scorer on a .400 team as the #1 option, he could still do that too. He has a versatile offensive game but his primary role in Cleveland is to spread the floor and make working inside easier for Lebron.

No love is a spot up three point shooter, when was the last time you saw love in the post calling for it and hit a turnaround. When was the last time he put the ball on the floor and created his own shot . It's silly to say love is even on the same playing field talent wise as melo esp on offense. Now I get that melo is older and that might be a reason the cavs don't make the trade.

But watching the cavs right now and they are lacking a scorer like melo, they have plenty of spot up three point shooters and a magic johnson in Lebron. They are missing a polished mid range scorer who demands the attention of the defense.

Again k love doesn't match up well vs Durant or green sure he'll get you 3 point buckets and rebounds but he can't go toe to toe with Durant and again they have plenty of three point shooters and rebounders...

Also I'll say it again k love is a minus defender not to say melo is better but he sure is quicker

This is all simply wrong. Even in the role Love has now, he still takes and makes more 2s than 3s a game. I'm not sure if you're actually watching the games, considering your comments. Love definitely still operates in the post. It's just not as much as he did in his Minnesota days. Last game, he had 10 2-pointers and 2 3-pointers. Please take a look at his baskets from the last game.

again his points are off of put backs and spot ups getting incredible passes from lebron i saw one turn around everything else was spot ups. look k love is a great talent but to put him in the same category of melo is silly. what would Melo do with lebron passing him the rock
?

Wait, a moment ago you said he was nothing but a spot up 3 point shooter, but you are now backing off that claim? Now I have no idea what you mean by "spot ups"? You're counting dunks and low post back-to-the basket moves as "spot ups"? Spot up is used to refer to when a player is facing the basket and does nothing but catch the ball and immediately shoot a jumper - no fakes, not footwork, no turnaround, nothing other than an immediate catch and shoot. The ones at 0:46 and 1:51 are the only two out of the twelve that could be considered spot ups (and even 0:46 is iffy).
Love plays within a team offense, though. Maybe that's all you meant? But those plays are not just all on Lebron. Love is fighting for position and has a great touch from anywhere within 24 feet. If it was all on Lebron, they could just sign a vet min PF and have Lebron feed him.