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codeunknown
Posts: 22615 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 7/14/2004 Member: #704 |
5/16/2017 10:30 PM LAST EDITED: 5/16/2017 10:35 PM
nyk4ever wrote:codeunknown wrote:A string of poor outcomes have put us in a very vulnerable draft position. My board hasn't changed, with the risk/reward drop-off significant after pick 7. At this point, my only preference is to NOT draft Monk - hopefully he goes ahead, leaving any of the top 7 to fall. Good to see you still posting as well, nyk. I tend to veer in the mid-to-high lottery towards the highest potential players with less regard to downside; the difficulty of acquiring these players traditionally through trade or free-agency, combined with the need for these types of players to have a chance of competing at a championship level, shapes my bias there. Defensive ability is equal to offense to me - so guys like Jackson, Isaac, and Ntikilina get a slight boost (although Ntikilina is limited in terms of burst). Monk's deficiency in creating using his handle, is not something I expect to get much better statistically, and his defensive upside is limited because of his size. So I shy away from using a bullet on what I think may be good but not great. Overall, I'm disappointed. I think the variability in draft order will reduce as we get closer to the draft, and we may be left with slim pickings. Lets see though.. talent is in the eye of the beholder. Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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Knixkik
Posts: 35423 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
5/16/2017 10:37 PM LAST EDITED: 5/16/2017 10:39 PM
EnySpree wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Knixkik wrote:I wouldn't trade down with the major drop in talent after top 10. I'll probably take monk if he's there. Low downside, he's at least going to be a high level scorer, but if he develops as a pg, he has huge upside. Freak athlete, lights out shooter. Lou Williams would be a good comp if he shot better. Monk is an elite outside shooter. I would say his best case is McCollum and worst case Eric Gordon. Somewhere in between. He's the best shooter and scorer among the top 10. He's great value at 8. Kentucky players have done well in the league. And he fits this positionless league. My top choice was fox when he waa mocked in the 6-10 range before the tournament. Now he probably doesn't get passed Sac at 5. Monk is my new target. He's very underrated. He had a down tournament so many will underrate him. |
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NardDogNation
Posts: 27405 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 5/7/2013 Member: #5555 |
5/16/2017 11:08 PM LAST EDITED: 5/16/2017 11:12 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I'd trade down with Denver if they offered Juan and their 13th pick. Is Juan really that good to justify moving that far down in the draft? Who would be left at 13th that would interest you? |
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Uptown
Posts: 31303 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
5/16/2017 11:18 PM LAST EDITED: 5/16/2017 11:26 PM
If Malik Monk is still around you take him....if he is gone, the next best option is Smith.
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
5/16/2017 11:20 PM
French Frank
I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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PhilinLA
Posts: 24941 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/12/2004 Member: #696 |
5/16/2017 11:27 PM
Frank Ntikilina. And we try like hell to get another pick or two in the first.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/
We got a ringer.
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
5/16/2017 11:28 PM
EnySpree wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Can we trade up? Malik Monk would be available at 8 and I think the Sixers would have interest in him. Could we theoretically package him and an asset to move up to 3 to select a Josh Jackson? Not sure why they would take Jackson...A SG who can't shoot? A SF on a team with Simmons? I see their draft as a tough one...BPA or a very good player who fills a need? Maybe Jackson falls? Who knows. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
5/16/2017 11:30 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:EnySpree wrote:definetly raw but the upside could be huge. Its kind of a boom or bust pick. Hmmmmm...not unlike another pick folks were against... EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
5/16/2017 11:34 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:EnySpree wrote:Zebo13 wrote:EnySpree wrote: Was not long ago that his outside shot was questioned...now it isn't. A kid this age has room to improve, and as I've said many times, he shoots well enough and has enough size to be a good SG in this league. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
5/16/2017 11:36 PM
Uptown wrote:If Malik Monk is still around you take him....if he is gone, the next best option is Smith. I'll take the Frenchman, but if motivated, Smith is not as bad of a defender as I originally thought. Got to put our faith in our talent evaluators... EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
5/16/2017 11:50 PM
If Justin Jackson had a better jumpshot and a little better handle--hed be a nice SG at 6-8--but I think hes a step below that and slenderish
RIP Crushalot😞
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
5/16/2017 11:55 PM
PhilinLA wrote:Frank Ntikilina. And we try like hell to get another pick or two in the first. I hope that's the plan. Like we got to get smart and start doing deals for picks that pay off a few seasons later. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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PhilinLA
Posts: 24941 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/12/2004 Member: #696 |
5/16/2017 11:56 PM
I like Smith, but not for the Knicks. I think he's a bit selfish.
http://amonthhoffundays.blogspot.com/
We got a ringer.
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
5/16/2017 11:57 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:EnySpree wrote:Zebo13 wrote:EnySpree wrote: I actually like him more as a SG because he then would have superior handle for his position whereas if he is a PG his handle would be considered shaky. I also think he definitely fits the pass first system we know Phil is trying to implement with the Knicks. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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wargames
Posts: 22833 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/27/2015 Member: #6053 |
5/16/2017 11:58 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If Justin Jackson had a better jumpshot and a little better handle--hed be a nice SG at 6-8--but I think hes a step below that and slenderish I see him as a slender Tayshaun Prince SF. The algorithm gives and the algorithm takes away
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EnySpree
Posts: 44919 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
5/17/2017 12:05 AM LAST EDITED: 5/17/2017 6:16 AM
We gotta deal with the scraps but if we do not trade up or down and things go as we predict, we gotta draft Monk. He's too dynamic of a player to pass over.
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fwk00
Posts: 22160 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/20/2015 Member: #6048 |
5/17/2017 12:21 AM
What if Ball falls through?
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yellowboy90
Posts: 33942 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/23/2011 Member: #3538 |
5/17/2017 12:23 AM
NardDogNation wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:I'd trade down with Denver if they offered Juan and their 13th pick. I think he has a chance to be very good and I'd probably go OG but I highly doubt Denver will give up on Juan. Then again If I was Denver I would be looking at a way to pair Jokic up with a PG and Dennis Smith would be a very good option. |
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39807 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
5/17/2017 12:41 AM
fwk00 wrote:What if Ball falls through? There would probably be a good reason for it. It'd be in our best interest to pass as well. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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