fwk00 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Vmart wrote:When players want to leave a situation they act and do just as KP is doing. The writing is on the wall he wants out.

I dunno about that but KPs camp clearly have a game plan. They are trying to put pressure on management tho improve the team or he walks. My thing is concentrate on improving yourself and how you can improve the team. As a 2nd year player that hasn't been perfect that's what I want to hear. I don't want to hear dry threats towards management. It could be a problem going forward. If this is who KP is and how he wants to represent himself then trading him wouldn't be a bad thing it would be a necessary thing. Kp could get the Knicks a pretty packedge... so he better focus on his game and less with threatening management in only his 2nd year. He's our player. This is not his team. Humble yourself

His camp is blowing smoke up the fan's arses. He's under contract for a few years more. Assuming he's still worth his salt then he can walk, crawl, or fly to Europe if he likes and leave barrels of money at MSG.

His threats (if in fact he's making them) are empty. As are calls to make the Knicks better. What do these idiots think management is trying to do?

I like the Triangle.

He's under contract for just two more years.

Do you also like shiny things??

EnySpree wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:So if traded KP would test free agency. That would be another teams problem. KPs brother didnt didnt say he was looking toward FA regardless but said if traded. If he said he was looking to test FA when his contract is up and still regardless if with the Knicks or,not,or insinuated something along those lines then that would trigger the alarms. But by saying he lives NY amd if traded to,another team not the Knicks he would test FA. Is basically telling teams don't trade for him.

Why would he tell teams not to trade for him if he wanted to get out of dodge.

Good point. It's just more branding. More posturing and more pressure on management. I'm not worried about it because I think we are on a good path, but I don't want this type of banter to become bigger than the team. Thats not what we want to build here. We are building to win for the Knicks and the fans, not to make a player happy or keep a player from leaving.

Janis was pissed about Rose shutting KP out. KP joked about Janis breaking a TV

Were there a lot of moments when you were frustrated that you didn't get the ball?

Kristaps tries to answer, but Janis interrupts him.

Janis: Nah, Kristaps doesn't do that. We as brothers were pretty emotional, though.

Kristaps: Yeah, there was a time when we played on the road, and my family was together watching the game in my apartment, and someone got pretty hot, and broke the TV. :D looking at Janis

Nalod wrote:Free agent in two years. Then restricted meaning we can match.
What do all pending free agent say? "I like it here, and hope we can work something out". Thats because the home team has the bird rights and can pay more.
You think anyone wants to play in Salt Lake? Milwaukee? Indiana? Racist Boston? OKC? MONEY.
Many teams would trade for him and figure they can make him happy.

Quick:

Trade him to lakers for Russell and Ingram? Would you do it???

Ok, KP and Melo for Russell, Ingram, Deng and fodder filler? We do that?

KP, Melo, for Deng, contract fodder, Ingram and swap this years pick if they top 3?

I would never do any of those trades. Not trading KP for a couple guys who could be pretty good, but don't look like players you can build around.

It's just a really bad time for this franchise, one of the worst ERA's we have ever experience, and KP is part of the issue as well as anyone else.

DOLAN- DOESNT have a fckng CLUE

Phil- ego the size of Broadway
JH- too in experience
Rambis-players hate him
Melo- holds the ball
rose- doesn't pass enough or shoot 3's
KP- walks out on exit meetings
willy- can't guard the perimeter at all- a big man who shoots floaters
Holdiay- confused of his role, very inconsistent
Lance- injury prone
Noah-_ injury riddle
Lee- Doesn't shoot enough
Jennings- broke more plays than any player on the team
KOQ- super inconsistent,

How on earth are we suppose to win anything with this many issues

knicks1248 wrote:More players have been happy to be off this team then be on it, especially if there in winning situation..

It's just a really bad time for this franchise, one of the worst ERA's we have ever experience, and KP is part of the issue as well as anyone else.

DOLAN- DOESNT have a fckng CLUE

Phil- ego the size of Broadway
JH- too in experience
Rambis-players hate him
Melo- holds the ball
rose- doesn't pass enough or shoot 3's
KP- walks out on exit meetings
willy- can't guard the perimeter at all- a big man who shoots floaters
Holdiay- confused of his role, very inconsistent
Lance- injury prone
Noah-_ injury riddle
Lee- Doesn't shoot enough
Jennings- broke more plays than any player on the team
KOQ- super inconsistent,

How on earth are we suppose to win anything with this many issues

Tell me you're kidding - "More players have been happy to be off this team then be on it, especially if there in winning situation."

This is an important time for the franchise - fun to watch grow - you can say you saw them when.

Dolan is one of the finest owners in the game today - hands off, surrounded by great team management, and smart enough to leave it alone.

If wins were city blocks, Phil's route would stretch longer than Broadway.

Some players hate the discipline Rambis brings to the system - too bad.

Melo - house hunting in LA

Rose - Praying to get signed

KP - suffering from Melo-gitis, will recover soon

Willy - learning to guard the perimeter, demonstrating unanticipated leadership qualities

Holiday - a talented keeper, understands team ball that confuses the ball stoppers

Lance - maturing

Noah - heart and soul of the bench, leader of the team

Lee - trade bait

Jennings - a noble experiment who turned into a nightmare

KOQ - on a trade bubble

Knicks1248 - hopelessly manufacturing fictional negativity on a scale that even the Trump administration envys

Vmart wrote:
The players tend to play into it too. KP knew what not attending the exit meeting would do. Now he just as much a part of the drama and as much to blame for it. He isn't that innocent guy any more. No longer the mold of a Derk Jeter a Eli Manning he is coming off a me me me guy.

Astute observation and spot on. If his brother is out of control then he needs to get the brother therapy and be sure he doesn't mis-speak for KP.

Hornacek doesn’t want Kristaps Porzingis to ‘dwell’ on the past
By Marc Berman May 11, 2017 | 6:46pm

CHICAGO — Lamenting a lost opportunity to hash out the Latvian’s concerns, Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek revealed he texted disgruntled forward Kristaps Porzingis recently but hadn’t received a response.

In becoming the first Knicks official to react to Porzingis blowing off his exit meetings after the season, Hornacek said at the NBA Draft Combine he has “no doubt in my mind” Porzingis will be on the roster next season, saying it’s “a long summer” to resolve any issues.

Hornacek also said it’s “a good possibility” he will head overseas to watch the European Championships in August and September, which will give him a chance to meet with Porzingis face-to-face. Porzingis, Willy Hernangomez and Mindaugas Kuzminskas all plan to compete.

“Again, he decided not to come to the meeting,” Hornacek said. “It would’ve been a great opportunity to talk about what he sees, but we figure it’s a long summer. We’ll end up talking to him, and all that stuff coming into next year will be fine.”

The Knicks coach said he believes it is best for Porzingis not to “dwell” on the past. Sources told The Post that Porzingis is unhappy with the chaotic way the Knicks are being run. In the latest hint of dissatisfaction, Janis Porzingis, the player’s brother, said in an ESPN interview: “Kris wants to stay in New York; he feels at home there. There is no question about it. The only thing he wants is for the Knicks to create an environment where he can develop and grow as a player and win.”

Janis Porzingis said if his brother ever got traded, he would leave as a free agent, a warning to interested teams he would be a rental.
“We expect him back,” Hornacek said. “I think everything’s going to be just fine when we get back.”

As far as the perception that Kristaps Porzingis felt he didn’t grow as a player, Hornacek said: “He hasn’t told us that. I think he did. I think what everybody has to realize is that when you go from your first year to your second year, you’re not a surprise anymore. If you look at his stats and what he did, they’re about the same per minute. Now, is that progress? I think it is because there was a lot more focus on him this year. He wasn’t a surprise to anybody. When he got the ball, they played him a little bit differently, played him a little bit harder. So yeah, I do think he progressed.”

Hornacek said he didn’t see Porzingis’ comments coming and claimed any of his public statements regarding the “confusion” of the franchise were addressed.

“I think you guys printing the same article that came out [in March],” Hornacek said. “Every time he says something, it goes back to the same quote. All that stuff has been discussed. All that stuff as the season went on was going to get much better as we went forward. I don’t think too much of it.”

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:More players have been happy to be off this team then be on it, especially if there in winning situation..

It's just a really bad time for this franchise, one of the worst ERA's we have ever experience, and KP is part of the issue as well as anyone else.

DOLAN- DOESNT have a fckng CLUE

Phil- ego the size of Broadway
JH- too in experience
Rambis-players hate him
Melo- holds the ball
rose- doesn't pass enough or shoot 3's
KP- walks out on exit meetings
willy- can't guard the perimeter at all- a big man who shoots floaters
Holdiay- confused of his role, very inconsistent
Lance- injury prone
Noah-_ injury riddle
Lee- Doesn't shoot enough
Jennings- broke more plays than any player on the team
KOQ- super inconsistent,

How on earth are we suppose to win anything with this many issues

Tell me you're kidding - "More players have been happy to be off this team then be on it, especially if there in winning situation."

This is an important time for the franchise - fun to watch grow - you can say you saw them when.

Dolan is one of the finest owners in the game today - hands off, surrounded by great team management, and smart enough to leave it alone.

If wins were city blocks, Phil's route would stretch longer than Broadway.

Some players hate the discipline Rambis brings to the system - too bad.

Melo - house hunting in LA

Rose - Praying to get signed

KP - suffering from Melo-gitis, will recover soon

Willy - learning to guard the perimeter, demonstrating unanticipated leadership qualities

Holiday - a talented keeper, understands team ball that confuses the ball stoppers

Lance - maturing

Noah - heart and soul of the bench, leader of the team

Lee - trade bait

Jennings - a noble experiment who turned into a nightmare

KOQ - on a trade bubble

Knicks1248 - hopelessly manufacturing fictional negativity on a scale that even the Trump administration envys

This is a pipe dream wish list,

Im not stating whats going to happen like "iiiiiii can seeeeee the futureeeee", I'm stating reality, what's been happening up until this current date, thats what im basing my facts.

Your hoping and praying to god that this management team can get their fcking act together, because if your happy with whats been going on, your on the best sht money can buy....

Sound like your willing to sit the through a d-league roster and another 110 loses and hope they pan out, and whoevers not on board, kick rocks. You sound like you are just as loyal to losing as DOLAN is. Yeah Phil has potential, so did Tony douglas, micheal beasly, anthony bennet.

Phil is just like everybody in this franchise including FRAZIER...IN THE WRONG ROLE...Yeah, Rambis and Frazier should fckng switch jobs, and phil should have his coaching ass on the sidelines, JH should be his top assistant..

How much credibility do you think you just lost by Saying 28 yr old lance who has miss over 50% of the games he's been a knick because of injury, is god damn maturing, what the hell are you talking about

Read up, the average NBA career is 4.5 to 4.8yrs...facts homie..google it, wiki it..then think about why players want to win now..Hmm..where is Tony Douglas 4 yrs later

knicks1248 wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:More players have been happy to be off this team then be on it, especially if there in winning situation..

It's just a really bad time for this franchise, one of the worst ERA's we have ever experience, and KP is part of the issue as well as anyone else.

DOLAN- DOESNT have a fckng CLUE

Phil- ego the size of Broadway
JH- too in experience
Rambis-players hate him
Melo- holds the ball
rose- doesn't pass enough or shoot 3's
KP- walks out on exit meetings
willy- can't guard the perimeter at all- a big man who shoots floaters
Holdiay- confused of his role, very inconsistent
Lance- injury prone
Noah-_ injury riddle
Lee- Doesn't shoot enough
Jennings- broke more plays than any player on the team
KOQ- super inconsistent,

How on earth are we suppose to win anything with this many issues

Tell me you're kidding - "More players have been happy to be off this team then be on it, especially if there in winning situation."

This is an important time for the franchise - fun to watch grow - you can say you saw them when.

Dolan is one of the finest owners in the game today - hands off, surrounded by great team management, and smart enough to leave it alone.

If wins were city blocks, Phil's route would stretch longer than Broadway.

Some players hate the discipline Rambis brings to the system - too bad.

Melo - house hunting in LA

Rose - Praying to get signed

KP - suffering from Melo-gitis, will recover soon

Willy - learning to guard the perimeter, demonstrating unanticipated leadership qualities

Holiday - a talented keeper, understands team ball that confuses the ball stoppers

Lance - maturing

Noah - heart and soul of the bench, leader of the team

Lee - trade bait

Jennings - a noble experiment who turned into a nightmare

KOQ - on a trade bubble

Knicks1248 - hopelessly manufacturing fictional negativity on a scale that even the Trump administration envys

This is a pipe dream wish list,

Im not stating whats going to happen like "iiiiiii can seeeeee the futureeeee", I'm stating reality, what's been happening up until this current date, thats what im basing my facts.

Your hoping and praying to god that this management team can get their fcking act together, because if your happy with whats been going on, your on the best sht money can buy....

Sound like your willing to sit the through a d-league roster and another 110 loses and hope they pan out, and whoevers not on board, kick rocks. You sound like you are just as loyal to losing as DOLAN is. Yeah Phil has potential, so did Tony douglas, micheal beasly, anthony bennet.

Phil is just like everybody in this franchise including FRAZIER...IN THE WRONG ROLE...Yeah, Rambis and Frazier should fckng switch jobs, and phil should have his coaching ass on the sidelines, JH should be his top assistant..

How much credibility do you think you just lost by Saying 28 yr old lance who has miss over 50% of the games he's been a knick because of injury, is god damn maturing, what the hell are you talking about

Read up, the average NBA career is 4.5 to 4.8yrs...facts homie..google it, wiki it..then think about why players want to win now..Hmm..where is Tony Douglas 4 yrs later

Your saying Clyde should be an assistant coach? Just because he is clyde?

ESOMKnicks wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:I am yet to see a single piece of even the flimsiest evidence that Janis is giving KP bad advice. Yet it is being discussed here as if it were an established fact.

My two hypotheses: either (i) KP simply acted out immaturely, or (ii) he decided to skip the exit meeting, so that the Knicks wouldn't get a chance to ask KP not to play for Latvia, or do something else that KP may not be comfortable with doing in what is a pretty tense situation with the club, Phil, Melo, etc. MSG is a very toxic, political and treacherous environment after all.

You don't see even the flimsiest evidence that Janis is giving KP bad advice?? The guy is basically KP's voice and speaks for him all the time as he did in this article and as he did when KP was asked a question about signing the new contract with the Knicks, before KP could even think about answering the question that was asked ti him Janis basically put his hand over hid mouth and told the reporter that's not question that needs to be answered. Janis is the older brother who's acting just like an older brother would act and i'm pretty sure he had a big voice in KP skipping that meeting.

No, I do not see any evidence of Janis giving KP bad advice. KP skipping the exit meeting was a stupid thing to do, in my opinion, but I am yet to see any evidence that it was done on the advice of Janis.

I read Janis's recent statement as an attempt to diffuse the situation and the concerns without also admitting wrongdoing on KP's part.

You're kidding right! You think KP just sour of the moment on his way to the meeting decided he wasn't gonna go and didn't talk to his brother??? COME ON B!!!