http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-european-knicks-no-8-pick-article-1.3176938

But the concern is whether the Knicks will pass on a better player — a potential franchise star — simply because he doesn't fit into Jackson's triangular box. Dennis Smith Jr. is an explosive pick-and-roll point guard out of NC State (with concerns about his attitude), who may or may not be around when the Knicks choose. But certainly he isn't a triangle player. Smith's been compared to Derrick Rose, and we all know how that worked out.

Here's what Jackson may not care to understand but probably should consider if there's truly a goal of setting up the Knicks for a better future: as soon as he leaves, the triangle is gone.

It dies the day Jackson walks out of that door.

Hence the problem with basing personnel decisions around his offense, especially in the draft where the repercussions can be felt for a decade or a longer. If it's Ntilikina, he'll only be 20 years old when Jackson's contract expires in two years and the next executive wants to run-and-gun.

That's not to suggest Jackson's reasoning will lead to a poor choice in the draft. His track record in this department — while based on a small sample size of two first-round picks (Porzingis, Jerian Grant) and three second-round picks (Hernangomez, Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Cleanthony Early) — is pretty solid.

"We're good at what we do," Jackson, not exactly the beacon of humility, declared Tuesday.

But if the choice is system over talent, a mistake becomes less defensible.

GustavBahler wrote:Thought this exerpt does a good job of summarizing the situation...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-european-knicks-no-8-pick-article-1.3176938

But the concern is whether the Knicks will pass on a better player — a potential franchise star — simply because he doesn't fit into Jackson's triangular box. Dennis Smith Jr. is an explosive pick-and-roll point guard out of NC State (with concerns about his attitude), who may or may not be around when the Knicks choose. But certainly he isn't a triangle player. Smith's been compared to Derrick Rose, and we all know how that worked out.

Here's what Jackson may not care to understand but probably should consider if there's truly a goal of setting up the Knicks for a better future: as soon as he leaves, the triangle is gone.

It dies the day Jackson walks out of that door.

Hence the problem with basing personnel decisions around his offense, especially in the draft where the repercussions can be felt for a decade or a longer. If it's Ntilikina, he'll only be 20 years old when Jackson's contract expires in two years and the next executive wants to run-and-gun.

That's not to suggest Jackson's reasoning will lead to a poor choice in the draft. His track record in this department — while based on a small sample size of two first-round picks (Porzingis, Jerian Grant) and three second-round picks (Hernangomez, Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Cleanthony Early) — is pretty solid.

"We're good at what we do," Jackson, not exactly the beacon of humility, declared Tuesday.

But if the choice is system over talent, a mistake becomes less defensible.

The problem with this article is that by the time Phil leaves the franchise will have been immersed in Jeff's version of the Triangle for 3 years. It's no different than what Pop is doing in SA! He gets his kind of players and puts them in his system of development.

The Spurs do what they do. The Knicks will have established what they do and if the team has improved they likely continue doing their own thing. Jeff will be an expert by the time Phil leaves. This isn't a problem.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought this exerpt does a good job of summarizing the situation...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-european-knicks-no-8-pick-article-1.3176938

But the concern is whether the Knicks will pass on a better player — a potential franchise star — simply because he doesn't fit into Jackson's triangular box. Dennis Smith Jr. is an explosive pick-and-roll point guard out of NC State (with concerns about his attitude), who may or may not be around when the Knicks choose. But certainly he isn't a triangle player. Smith's been compared to Derrick Rose, and we all know how that worked out.

Here's what Jackson may not care to understand but probably should consider if there's truly a goal of setting up the Knicks for a better future: as soon as he leaves, the triangle is gone.

It dies the day Jackson walks out of that door.

Hence the problem with basing personnel decisions around his offense, especially in the draft where the repercussions can be felt for a decade or a longer. If it's Ntilikina, he'll only be 20 years old when Jackson's contract expires in two years and the next executive wants to run-and-gun.

That's not to suggest Jackson's reasoning will lead to a poor choice in the draft. His track record in this department — while based on a small sample size of two first-round picks (Porzingis, Jerian Grant) and three second-round picks (Hernangomez, Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Cleanthony Early) — is pretty solid.

"We're good at what we do," Jackson, not exactly the beacon of humility, declared Tuesday.

But if the choice is system over talent, a mistake becomes less defensible.

The problem with this article is that by the time Phil leaves the franchise will have been immersed in Jeff's version of the Triangle for 3 years. It's no different than what Pop is doing in SA! He gets his kind of players and puts them in his system of development.

The Spurs do what they do. The Knicks will have established what they do and if the team has improved they likely continue doing their own thing. Jeff will be an expert by the time Phil leaves. This isn't a problem.

The most likely scenario is that nothing significantly changes for the Knicks in the next 2 years and Dolan spends big bucks to get a splashy replacement for Phil to keep him out of the headlines (when he isn't acting like a despot).

This new executive wont give a flying fig about Phil, Jeff, or the Triangle, and will clean house. That is unless the Knicks can become the Spurs in 2 seasons. Spurs "doing what they do" involves not being married to one system.

The article was spot on. Phil needs to get the best player available.

I disagree. Things will improve and there will be just enough signs of a positive future that Dolan will try to extend Phil in an Advisory position. This team is not as bad off as some want us to think. These are mostly Dolan's people in the Front Office and if the young talent shows growth he will stick with them.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought this exerpt does a good job of summarizing the situation...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-european-knicks-no-8-pick-article-1.3176938

But the concern is whether the Knicks will pass on a better player — a potential franchise star — simply because he doesn't fit into Jackson's triangular box. Dennis Smith Jr. is an explosive pick-and-roll point guard out of NC State (with concerns about his attitude), who may or may not be around when the Knicks choose. But certainly he isn't a triangle player. Smith's been compared to Derrick Rose, and we all know how that worked out.

Here's what Jackson may not care to understand but probably should consider if there's truly a goal of setting up the Knicks for a better future: as soon as he leaves, the triangle is gone.

It dies the day Jackson walks out of that door.

Hence the problem with basing personnel decisions around his offense, especially in the draft where the repercussions can be felt for a decade or a longer. If it's Ntilikina, he'll only be 20 years old when Jackson's contract expires in two years and the next executive wants to run-and-gun.

That's not to suggest Jackson's reasoning will lead to a poor choice in the draft. His track record in this department — while based on a small sample size of two first-round picks (Porzingis, Jerian Grant) and three second-round picks (Hernangomez, Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Cleanthony Early) — is pretty solid.

"We're good at what we do," Jackson, not exactly the beacon of humility, declared Tuesday.

But if the choice is system over talent, a mistake becomes less defensible.

The problem with this article is that by the time Phil leaves the franchise will have been immersed in Jeff's version of the Triangle for 3 years. It's no different than what Pop is doing in SA! He gets his kind of players and puts them in his system of development.

The Spurs do what they do. The Knicks will have established what they do and if the team has improved they likely continue doing their own thing. Jeff will be an expert by the time Phil leaves. This isn't a problem.

The most likely scenario is that nothing significantly changes for the Knicks in the next 2 years and Dolan spends big bucks to get a splashy replacement for Phil to keep him out of the headlines (when he isn't acting like a despot).

This new executive wont give a flying fig about Phil, Jeff, or the Triangle, and will clean house. That is unless the Knicks can become the Spurs in 2 seasons. Spurs "doing what they do" involves not being married to one system.

The article was spot on. Phil needs to get the best player available.

I disagree. Things will improve and there will be just enough signs of a positive future that Dolan will try to extend Phil in an Advisory position. This team is not as bad off as some want us to think. These are mostly Dolan's people in the Front Office and if the young talent shows growth he will stick with them.

I disagree and I really hope Phil is done in 2 years or sooner. I also think Jeff's version of the triangle ended in February.

You don't know what Jeff's Version of the Triangle Offense is!!! You just hate on Phil and want to believe anything negative about Phil. If you weren't biased in your view then you would understand that Phil and Jeff came to an agreement on the offense and Phil approved of that approach.

Phil brought Jeff in to bring a lot of his schemes and work them into a system using Triangle as well. The balance of Jeff's stuff to Triangle was fluid but the intent was still there to blend the two styles. There was a stretch where Jeff went with less Triangle almost zero in fact. By the end of the season they found the right balance IMO and Phil was pleased with it.

Now if you have something substantial you can present to refute this I'd love to see it.

CrushAlot wrote:There are only two Phil guys in the organization, Rambis and Gaines. I don't see anyway the triangle is around after two more years unless Phil is somehow retained again.

http://www.chatsports.com/new-york-knicks/a/source/why-the-new-york-knicks-should-embrace-the-triangle-offense-13582220