HofstraBBall wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I personally think Rose is a mMLE type player and is simply a bigger version of Monta Ellis. It's hard to win with Ellis/Rose types and if it is hard to win with those types why have them around on a team that is rebuilding with Youth?

Meaning like $6 mil a year? I'd hate to spend that much on him but if we struck out with better FAs, I'd be open to it.

Did the mMLE go up that much? I thought it was still in the $3m territory.

Don't think he will take anything close to that. But it Depends on the term, for me. Not a fan of his court vision or true PG skill set but he can sure create. If term is short and Knicks can convince him to come off bench and be a "Lou Williams" type, then not the worst thing. But like I said, Just don't think he is going to take less money AND a bench role as well. Just hope Phil doesn't repeat the Noah type lapse of judgement.

there are more centers that shoot more 3's than rose, and that's a big part of this game, and while he can get to the whole with ease, he puts major strain on his knees, As oppose to having the ability to just come down and drain a 3, or spot up in the corner. not to mention he avoids contact on his layups..

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Rose is just a SG at this point. Not a bad thing to have a scorer on the roster.

WTF, your middle name is NIX "When Melo and Rose are gone"LUVA

He would be completely pointless to bring him back if your playing the triangle. His contract would be packed with incentives

Rose is irrelevant to the long term plans. If Phil brought him back on a short deal as a scorer off the bench it doesn't really matter. This is not an endorsement of Rose as some big time player. I doubt he's brought back but I can see why they might do it.

TPercy wrote:

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:
Hawks: 31m
Boston: 20m
GSW: 24m
Clippers: 42m
Memphis: 29M
OKC: 38m
Toronto: 40m

Teams will have cap space this year.

Just as a further reminder:
Evan Turner is getting 17.5 mm a year for four years.
Mozgov is getting 16mm a year for four years.
We gave Noah 18mm.
Harrison Barnes got a near max deal. Harrison Barnes.
Jeremy Lin is on 12mm
Chandler Parsons? Arron Afflalo? Rondo? Wade? Beal? Clarkson? Do I need to give more?

While I believe Rose isn't worth more more than the vet min here, especially with all the bull**** he has pulled on this team and the dysfunction he has contributed to, I also sadly believe that Rose will get paid this coming FA....handsomely if he wants to just because his name is Derrick Rose.

You have to present this much better. I don't know where you are getting your numbers either. http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

Example:

                                   
			    2017-18
DeMar DeRozan	 	$27,739,975 
Jonas Valanciunas	$15,460,675 
DeMarre Carroll	 	$14,800,000 
Serge Ibaka	
Kyle Lowry	
Cory Joseph	 	 $7,660,000 
Patrick Patterson	
P.J. Tucker	
Jakob Poeltl	 	 $2,825,640 
Lucas Nogueira	 	 $2,947,305 
Bruno Caboclo	 	 $2,451,225 
Delon Wright	 	 $1,645,200 
Pascal Siakam	 	 $1,249,920 
Norman Powell	 	 $1,014,746 
Fred VanVleet	 	  $905,249 
	 		$78,699,935 

Toronto seems to have $28M of cap BEFORE they need to resign Ibaka, Lowry, Patterson, Tucker, draft pick?

Also, cap holds.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245167/The-Maximum-Available-2017-Cap-Space-for-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-40

Toronto is one out of 30 teams and doesn't address the fact that the trend of paying guys up to 3 times their value has been on an exponential rise. I agree that given Rose's lack of all round game he isn't worth much and I wouldn't pay him anything to bring him back, but it is beyond laughable for some people to think that a 6mm offer is going to cut it. Hell, Arron Afflalo regressed so much in NY,is inferior to Rose, and offered nothing more than a decent mid range J and he ended up making more money with the Kings.

Dude your numbers from your first post are all wrong. Some should be positive, some should be negative. Your first assertion that teams will have caps space, followed by the list you present, is just wrong. Which column in your link are you referring to?

yellowboy90 wrote:I personally think Rose is a mMLE type player and is simply a bigger version of Monta Ellis. It's hard to win with Ellis/Rose types and if it is hard to win with those types why have them around on a team that is rebuilding with Youth?

Ellis is a great comparison. The main difference is Rose is more of an injury risk.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I personally think Rose is a mMLE type player and is simply a bigger version of Monta Ellis. It's hard to win with Ellis/Rose types and if it is hard to win with those types why have them around on a team that is rebuilding with Youth?

Ellis is a great comparison. The main difference is Rose is more of an injury risk.

TPercy wrote:

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:
Hawks: 31m
Boston: 20m
GSW: 24m
Clippers: 42m
Memphis: 29M
OKC: 38m
Toronto: 40m

Teams will have cap space this year.

Just as a further reminder:
Evan Turner is getting 17.5 mm a year for four years.
Mozgov is getting 16mm a year for four years.
We gave Noah 18mm.
Harrison Barnes got a near max deal. Harrison Barnes.
Jeremy Lin is on 12mm
Chandler Parsons? Arron Afflalo? Rondo? Wade? Beal? Clarkson? Do I need to give more?

While I believe Rose isn't worth more more than the vet min here, especially with all the bull**** he has pulled on this team and the dysfunction he has contributed to, I also sadly believe that Rose will get paid this coming FA....handsomely if he wants to just because his name is Derrick Rose.

You have to present this much better. I don't know where you are getting your numbers either. http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

Example:

                                   
			    2017-18
DeMar DeRozan	 	$27,739,975 
Jonas Valanciunas	$15,460,675 
DeMarre Carroll	 	$14,800,000 
Serge Ibaka	
Kyle Lowry	
Cory Joseph	 	 $7,660,000 
Patrick Patterson	
P.J. Tucker	
Jakob Poeltl	 	 $2,825,640 
Lucas Nogueira	 	 $2,947,305 
Bruno Caboclo	 	 $2,451,225 
Delon Wright	 	 $1,645,200 
Pascal Siakam	 	 $1,249,920 
Norman Powell	 	 $1,014,746 
Fred VanVleet	 	  $905,249 
	 		$78,699,935 

Toronto seems to have $28M of cap BEFORE they need to resign Ibaka, Lowry, Patterson, Tucker, draft pick?

Also, cap holds.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245167/The-Maximum-Available-2017-Cap-Space-for-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-40

Toronto is one out of 30 teams and doesn't address the fact that the trend of paying guys up to 3 times their value has been on an exponential rise. I agree that given Rose's lack of all round game he isn't worth much and I wouldn't pay him anything to bring him back, but it is beyond laughable for some people to think that a 6mm offer is going to cut it. Hell, Arron Afflalo regressed so much in NY,is inferior to Rose, and offered nothing more than a decent mid range J and he ended up making more money with the Kings.

Dude your numbers from your first post are all wrong. Some should be positive, some should be negative. Your first assertion that teams will have caps space, followed by the list you present, is just wrong. Which column in your link are you referring to?

I looked at the wrong list. My bad. However, that wasn't the basis for my argument and looking back on the right column, my intitial statement wasn't wrong anyway.you still havent addressed my main point though.

I can't get past the mistakes to even remember what your point was lol

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:
Hawks: 31m
Boston: 20m
GSW: 24m
Clippers: 42m
Memphis: 29M
OKC: 38m
Toronto: 40m

Teams will have cap space this year.

Just as a further reminder:
Evan Turner is getting 17.5 mm a year for four years.
Mozgov is getting 16mm a year for four years.
We gave Noah 18mm.
Harrison Barnes got a near max deal. Harrison Barnes.
Jeremy Lin is on 12mm
Chandler Parsons? Arron Afflalo? Rondo? Wade? Beal? Clarkson? Do I need to give more?

While I believe Rose isn't worth more more than the vet min here, especially with all the bull**** he has pulled on this team and the dysfunction he has contributed to, I also sadly believe that Rose will get paid this coming FA....handsomely if he wants to just because his name is Derrick Rose.

You have to present this much better. I don't know where you are getting your numbers either. http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

Example:

                                   
			    2017-18
DeMar DeRozan	 	$27,739,975 
Jonas Valanciunas	$15,460,675 
DeMarre Carroll	 	$14,800,000 
Serge Ibaka	
Kyle Lowry	
Cory Joseph	 	 $7,660,000 
Patrick Patterson	
P.J. Tucker	
Jakob Poeltl	 	 $2,825,640 
Lucas Nogueira	 	 $2,947,305 
Bruno Caboclo	 	 $2,451,225 
Delon Wright	 	 $1,645,200 
Pascal Siakam	 	 $1,249,920 
Norman Powell	 	 $1,014,746 
Fred VanVleet	 	  $905,249 
	 		$78,699,935 

Toronto seems to have $28M of cap BEFORE they need to resign Ibaka, Lowry, Patterson, Tucker, draft pick?

Also, cap holds.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245167/The-Maximum-Available-2017-Cap-Space-for-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-40

Toronto is one out of 30 teams and doesn't address the fact that the trend of paying guys up to 3 times their value has been on an exponential rise. I agree that given Rose's lack of all round game he isn't worth much and I wouldn't pay him anything to bring him back, but it is beyond laughable for some people to think that a 6mm offer is going to cut it. Hell, Arron Afflalo regressed so much in NY,is inferior to Rose, and offered nothing more than a decent mid range J and he ended up making more money with the Kings.

Dude your numbers from your first post are all wrong. Some should be positive, some should be negative. Your first assertion that teams will have caps space, followed by the list you present, is just wrong. Which column in your link are you referring to?

I looked at the wrong list. My bad. However, that wasn't the basis for my argument and looking back on the right column, my intitial statement wasn't wrong anyway.you still havent addressed my main point though.

I can't get past the mistakes to even remember what your point was lol

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:

martin wrote:

TPercy wrote:
Hawks: 31m
Boston: 20m
GSW: 24m
Clippers: 42m
Memphis: 29M
OKC: 38m
Toronto: 40m

Teams will have cap space this year.

Just as a further reminder:
Evan Turner is getting 17.5 mm a year for four years.
Mozgov is getting 16mm a year for four years.
We gave Noah 18mm.
Harrison Barnes got a near max deal. Harrison Barnes.
Jeremy Lin is on 12mm
Chandler Parsons? Arron Afflalo? Rondo? Wade? Beal? Clarkson? Do I need to give more?

While I believe Rose isn't worth more more than the vet min here, especially with all the bull**** he has pulled on this team and the dysfunction he has contributed to, I also sadly believe that Rose will get paid this coming FA....handsomely if he wants to just because his name is Derrick Rose.

You have to present this much better. I don't know where you are getting your numbers either. http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

Example:

                                   
			    2017-18
DeMar DeRozan	 	$27,739,975 
Jonas Valanciunas	$15,460,675 
DeMarre Carroll	 	$14,800,000 
Serge Ibaka	
Kyle Lowry	
Cory Joseph	 	 $7,660,000 
Patrick Patterson	
P.J. Tucker	
Jakob Poeltl	 	 $2,825,640 
Lucas Nogueira	 	 $2,947,305 
Bruno Caboclo	 	 $2,451,225 
Delon Wright	 	 $1,645,200 
Pascal Siakam	 	 $1,249,920 
Norman Powell	 	 $1,014,746 
Fred VanVleet	 	  $905,249 
	 		$78,699,935 

Toronto seems to have $28M of cap BEFORE they need to resign Ibaka, Lowry, Patterson, Tucker, draft pick?

Also, cap holds.

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/245167/The-Maximum-Available-2017-Cap-Space-for-All-30-NBA-Teams-Version-40

Toronto is one out of 30 teams and doesn't address the fact that the trend of paying guys up to 3 times their value has been on an exponential rise. I agree that given Rose's lack of all round game he isn't worth much and I wouldn't pay him anything to bring him back, but it is beyond laughable for some people to think that a 6mm offer is going to cut it. Hell, Arron Afflalo regressed so much in NY,is inferior to Rose, and offered nothing more than a decent mid range J and he ended up making more money with the Kings.

Dude your numbers from your first post are all wrong. Some should be positive, some should be negative. Your first assertion that teams will have caps space, followed by the list you present, is just wrong. Which column in your link are you referring to?

I looked at the wrong list. My bad. However, that wasn't the basis for my argument and looking back on the right column, my intitial statement wasn't wrong anyway.you still havent addressed my main point though.

I can't get past the mistakes to even remember what your point was lol

Excuse my poor reading skills
The trend of NBA players being paid 3x their value has been on an exponential rise due to expanding cap stupid GMs Based on previous examples, one could easily infer that Rose will get paid lots of dough. I hope we won't be one of those teams.

Lots of guys are overpaid, Rose could be next year. But he was injured, again, and really exposed in NY (or perhaps that was just me not knowing he could not pass or really really was awful defender). This was the first offseason that Rose had while not rehabbing but he is back on the injury bandwagon. Teams will be scared. And Playoff teams wont give him much IMHO (cause there are not teams with space and he may not make the playoffs).

How would you quantify "much"?
We talking 4-6mm? 7-12mmm 13-18mm? Or more?

I agree with you that Teams will be scared, but you know what teams will also be? Stupid. And we as Knicks fans know that we can't assume a logical FA thought process for every single GM.