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martin
Posts: 79973 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
4/17/2017 4:51 PM
crzymdups wrote:If you look at the proliferation of the 3pt shot, it's kinda crazy. Here we go - I do find this as good stuff. Also, 3point shots made seems to be a factor of both system and talent, whereas 3point shots per 100 possessions tells us more about the system than the players within the system. Now, obviously, players will also influence and dictate shots per 100 possessions, you always shade towards what is working for you. I had been under the assumption that modern basketball was more reflective of where the league has been over the past 3-5 years, especially when GS really accelerated the 3 point shooting, and not starting way back in 2005-2006, or even 2010. Don't remember hearing Modern Basketball until a couple of years ago. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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WaltLongmire
Posts: 27623 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 6/28/2014 Member: #5843 |
4/17/2017 6:45 PM
martin wrote:And not for nothing but shouldn't MDA be the father of modern basketball, not Pop? Saw a stat today...Houston players who end up taking a shot have had the ball for an average of about 2 seconds. Can't remember where I saw it. EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
4/17/2017 6:48 PM
mlby1215 wrote: Kobe and Jordan never reduced their scoring in the triangle. Matter of fact they superstar lead the league in scoring on numerous occasions. |
ppl didn't want to use it even in its heyday. It is not about W/L or anything. Ppl just wanted it to go away as fast as it can after Phil retired.
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 40252 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
4/17/2017 6:58 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Is there a self-fulfilling prophecy going here? Exactly. If you don't have an efficient post player, than it would make sense to rely on guard penetration to get an open shot. That's just intuitive basketball. If I have a Duncan, Barkely or Shaq in the post, I'm going to dump it inside, wait for the double, hope the offensive player passes it out quickly, and try to get an open shot that way. It's all about personnel.  Didn't have a post player on those Phoenix teams, so he compensated by relying more on his HOF pointguard.Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
4/17/2017 7:33 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:Is there a self-fulfilling prophecy going here? Here's an interesting article. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/how-efficient-is-a-post-up-play/ Basically, shots in the post are inefficient but post moves can be used to draw double teams and create efficient shots for teammates. I'm not sure if players used to convert shots more efficiently in the post than they do now. That seems to be what you're saying but I haven't found info. on that. |
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martin
Posts: 79973 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
4/17/2017 7:46 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Is there a self-fulfilling prophecy going here? I think this sums it up what lots are saying, from the article: But as we’ve seen with Anthony, a player hell-bent on finishing for himself off a post-up (or isolation) can drag down an entire offense, even if he’s converting a high percentage of his own shots. Anthony is brilliant when it comes to creating clean looks for himself, and that prompts double-teams or shifts from an opposing defense. The problem is that Anthony falls into the trap of not using those double-teams to create better looks for his teammates nearly as often as he could. I think that directly talks to the sticky portion of Melo that we all wish he could change. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
4/17/2017 7:51 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Is there a self-fulfilling prophecy going here? Post play has become inefficient as the players are less and less skilled at it. A turn around jumper Is nonexistent in today's NBA. You can go games without seeing one. If your a Knick fan that shot was Bernard Kings and Pat Ewings bread and butter. What center / PF has that in their in their game in today's NBA. I always felt that a good post game makes for great kick out three, but today's NBA is basically jack as many threes as you can. |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
4/17/2017 8:07 PM
Vmart wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:WaltLongmire wrote:Is there a self-fulfilling prophecy going here? The GREAT post players of the past are not prevalent in today's game. As much as we may love KAT he's no Olajuwon in the post. |
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Uptown
Posts: 31375 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
4/17/2017 8:51 PM
crzymdups wrote:Uptown wrote:crzymdups wrote:More importantly - let's talk about the Knicks. It's definitely where the game is and where its still going...I coach middle school boys and help out from time to time with the High School boys....When I tell you, Every Team on the High School and Middle School level plays some type of 5-Out open paint offense or a 4-Out 1-in spread offense. The idea is to spread the defense across the court for dribble-drives and kicks for the open 3 (if the help defender helps) or dribble drive all the way in for a lay up, a dump off to the big in short corner if they are playing a 4 out 1 in and the paint defender helps on the drive, or seek contact for a foul. Spread offense also leaves the defense vulnerable for give-and-goes and back door cuts. In practice, we emphasize conditioning, individual skills particularly dribbling to beat their man off the dribble, early offense, tons of 3's, and PNR-offense-and-defense. In todays game, you need Players who can defend multiple positions, because when defending the spread offense you have to be able to switch...Most of these players aren't tied down to traditional positions. For example, Golden State does not have a traditional Pg, Nor do they have a traditional PF. What they have is what you need to win in todays NBA. Multiple 3 point shooters (KD, Steph, Klay) multiple players that can defend multiple positions (Draymond, Klay and Iggy)...They also have length or court coverage which is also impeccable in today's game. The formula to win in todays games is there for all to see...Just watch the winning teams...None of them run a traditional triangle....It's a new game... |