fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:Tim had 25 last night, hit some key buckets(threes) down the stretch for the Hawks to get them back in the game..Two games prior he put up 28...And playing better defense too but CJ McCollum did blow by him a few times...He ran the point at times with Schroder on the bench too...25 pts 7 reb 4 asst..

This is just turning into another stupid trade...

And you Holiday folks, Tim is will be 25 this year and Holiday will be 28...

Everything about THjr screams utterly average NBA player. More Phil hate.

They traded Korver in January and started starting Tim.

In February - He's averaging 20ppg on 50% shooting, 40% from 3pt, with 4rebs and 3ast.

He's in his third year in the league.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:Tim had 25 last night, hit some key buckets(threes) down the stretch for the Hawks to get them back in the game..Two games prior he put up 28...And playing better defense too but CJ McCollum did blow by him a few times...He ran the point at times with Schroder on the bench too...25 pts 7 reb 4 asst..

This is just turning into another stupid trade...

And you Holiday folks, Tim is will be 25 this year and Holiday will be 28...

Everything about THjr screams utterly average NBA player. More Phil hate.

They traded Korver in January and started starting Tim.

In February - He's averaging 20ppg on 50% shooting, 40% from 3pt, with 4rebs and 3ast.

He's in his third year in the league.

What is the expectation? That no player that is traded can be any good? He was traded for Grant, who I liked a lot. This is hindsight Phil hate. Nothing more. Its old. Maybe I will just troll every holfresh trade with all the good players Isiah lost us? This is old.

HofstraBBall wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:Tim had 25 last night, hit some key buckets(threes) down the stretch for the Hawks to get them back in the game..Two games prior he put up 28...And playing better defense too but CJ McCollum did blow by him a few times...He ran the point at times with Schroder on the bench too...25 pts 7 reb 4 asst..

This is just turning into another stupid trade...

And you Holiday folks, Tim is will be 25 this year and Holiday will be 28...

Everything about THjr screams utterly average NBA player. More Phil hate.

They traded Korver in January and started starting Tim.

In February - He's averaging 20ppg on 50% shooting, 40% from 3pt, with 4rebs and 3ast.

He's in his third year in the league.

Yep. More Phil hate. Anything pointing out Phil's great plan to dump everyone that was toxic and caused us to win just 37 is hate. Yet we have won how many games? Btw. This funny how aguy that says its Phil hate starts a thread suggesting to bring back Shump for Melo? What's next, Phil brings back Tyson and JR? Makes sense.

Guess what. Its ENTIRELY possible that Phil made a bad trade. Feel better?

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:Tim had 25 last night, hit some key buckets(threes) down the stretch for the Hawks to get them back in the game..Two games prior he put up 28...And playing better defense too but CJ McCollum did blow by him a few times...He ran the point at times with Schroder on the bench too...25 pts 7 reb 4 asst..

This is just turning into another stupid trade...

And you Holiday folks, Tim is will be 25 this year and Holiday will be 28...

Everything about THjr screams utterly average NBA player. More Phil hate.

They traded Korver in January and started starting Tim.

In February - He's averaging 20ppg on 50% shooting, 40% from 3pt, with 4rebs and 3ast.

He's in his third year in the league.

Yep. More Phil hate. Anything pointing out Phil's great plan to dump everyone that was toxic and caused us to win just 37 is hate. Yet we have won how many games? Btw. This funny how aguy that says its Phil hate starts a thread suggesting to bring back Shump for Melo? What's next, Phil brings back Tyson and JR? Makes sense.

its two years past. Did you hate on the trade then? Show me where you killed Phil for trading THjr for Grant.

Guess what. Its ENTIRELY possible that Phil made a bad trade. Feel better?

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:Tim had 25 last night, hit some key buckets(threes) down the stretch for the Hawks to get them back in the game..Two games prior he put up 28...And playing better defense too but CJ McCollum did blow by him a few times...He ran the point at times with Schroder on the bench too...25 pts 7 reb 4 asst..

This is just turning into another stupid trade...

And you Holiday folks, Tim is will be 25 this year and Holiday will be 28...

Everything about THjr screams utterly average NBA player. More Phil hate.

They traded Korver in January and started starting Tim.

In February - He's averaging 20ppg on 50% shooting, 40% from 3pt, with 4rebs and 3ast.

He's in his third year in the league.

Yep. More Phil hate. Anything pointing out Phil's great plan to dump everyone that was toxic and caused us to win just 37 is hate. Yet we have won how many games? Btw. This funny how aguy that says its Phil hate starts a thread suggesting to bring back Shump for Melo? What's next, Phil brings back Tyson and JR? Makes sense.

its two years past. Did you hate on the trade then? Show me where you killed Phil for trading THjr for Grant.

Guess what. Its ENTIRELY possible that Phil made a bad trade. Feel better?

I will agree with you here. Nearly all of Phil's mistakes have been obvious with foresight, not just hindsight. This wasn't one of them, though. TH JR wasn't playing well and we got a 1st round pick (who would have more years ahead on a rookie contract).

Phil is going to make mistakes. However he's added good young players and is the best we have had in years. Once the Melo noise clears Phil could be a draft or two away from rebuilding this franchise for a decade. I mean imagine if we land a guy like Ball or Fultz and he Willy/KP are the foundation of a good team. I wonder if people will be crying about THjr or how Phil was a douche to Melo then.

Big picture.

Blind hope? Maybe, but I see us as being halfway there. A good GM works with his mistakes. Getting guys to get Melo back into the playoffs was a mistake. If we can land another building block (or two!) in this draft than I am happy. We have not had a GM like that. I have hope for this one based on what I have seen.

Nalod wrote:Rose>Hardaway JR.

Not since 2012.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:Tim had 25 last night, hit some key buckets(threes) down the stretch for the Hawks to get them back in the game..Two games prior he put up 28...And playing better defense too but CJ McCollum did blow by him a few times...He ran the point at times with Schroder on the bench too...25 pts 7 reb 4 asst..

This is just turning into another stupid trade...

And you Holiday folks, Tim is will be 25 this year and Holiday will be 28...

Everything about THjr screams utterly average NBA player. More Phil hate.

They traded Korver in January and started starting Tim.

In February - He's averaging 20ppg on 50% shooting, 40% from 3pt, with 4rebs and 3ast.

He's in his third year in the league.

shooting 42% and 32% from 3 as a starter. He's had a great Feb.
Guards get hot. Remember Langston shot 50% from 3 for the first month last year? Atl is 4-3 in Feb.

What is the expectation? That no player that is traded can be any good? He was traded for Grant, who I liked a lot. This is hindsight Phil hate. Nothing more. Its old. Maybe I will just troll every holfresh trade with all the good players Isiah lost us? This is old.

Have you watched Atlanta lately? He's a different player since the calendar turned to 2017.

He is a different player with patience and confidence..They haven't watched...

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:Tim had 25 last night, hit some key buckets(threes) down the stretch for the Hawks to get them back in the game..Two games prior he put up 28...And playing better defense too but CJ McCollum did blow by him a few times...He ran the point at times with Schroder on the bench too...25 pts 7 reb 4 asst..

This is just turning into another stupid trade...

And you Holiday folks, Tim is will be 25 this year and Holiday will be 28...

Everything about THjr screams utterly average NBA player. More Phil hate.

They traded Korver in January and started starting Tim.

In February - He's averaging 20ppg on 50% shooting, 40% from 3pt, with 4rebs and 3ast.

He's in his third year in the league.

shooting 42% and 32% from 3 as a starter. He's had a great Feb.
Guards get hot. Remember Langston shot 50% from 3 for the first month last year? Atl is 4-3 in Feb.

What is the expectation? That no player that is traded can be any good? He was traded for Grant, who I liked a lot. This is hindsight Phil hate. Nothing more. Its old. Maybe I will just troll every holfresh trade with all the good players Isiah lost us? This is old.

Have you watched Atlanta lately? He's a different player since the calendar turned to 2017.

He is a different player with patience and confidence..They haven't watched...

Yep. The thing that still mystifies me is that if we were committed to going Triangle, Hardaway makes so much more sense as a Triangle piece than Jerian Grant.

It does make me wonder if there was something to those rumors about Fisher and Hardaway's girlfriend. Hardaway was traded before the Matt Barnes incident happened... could've been something the Garden was just trying to hush.

Anyway, it's neither here nor there, but he's a quality piece that could be one of three good young starters on the team in KP, Willy, and Hardaway. Add a young PG to that mix this year and all the sudden we have a good young group.

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:Tim had 25 last night, hit some key buckets(threes) down the stretch for the Hawks to get them back in the game..Two games prior he put up 28...And playing better defense too but CJ McCollum did blow by him a few times...He ran the point at times with Schroder on the bench too...25 pts 7 reb 4 asst..

This is just turning into another stupid trade...

And you Holiday folks, Tim is will be 25 this year and Holiday will be 28...

Everything about THjr screams utterly average NBA player. More Phil hate.

They traded Korver in January and started starting Tim.

In February - He's averaging 20ppg on 50% shooting, 40% from 3pt, with 4rebs and 3ast.

He's in his third year in the league.

shooting 42% and 32% from 3 as a starter. He's had a great Feb.
Guards get hot. Remember Langston shot 50% from 3 for the first month last year? Atl is 4-3 in Feb.

What is the expectation? That no player that is traded can be any good? He was traded for Grant, who I liked a lot. This is hindsight Phil hate. Nothing more. Its old. Maybe I will just troll every holfresh trade with all the good players Isiah lost us? This is old.

Have you watched Atlanta lately? He's a different player since the calendar turned to 2017.

He is a different player with patience and confidence..They haven't watched...

Yep. The thing that still mystifies me is that if we were committed to going Triangle, Hardaway makes so much more sense as a Triangle piece than Jerian Grant.

It does make me wonder if there was something to those rumors about Fisher and Hardaway's girlfriend. Hardaway was traded before the Matt Barnes incident happened... could've been something the Garden was just trying to hush.

Anyway, it's neither here nor there, but he's a quality piece that could be one of three good young starters on the team in KP, Willy, and Hardaway. Add a young PG to that mix this year and all the sudden we have a good young group.

It hurts because of his youth..But in Phil's defense, I didn't see him developing his handle and patience...

Truthfully Atlanta has a wonderful player development program. Coach Budenholzer is from the San Antonio / Pop program and it shows.

Look what they did with DeMarre Carroll and Kent Bazemore. Bazemore was essentially Justin Holiday when they got him and they've worked with him to turn him into a guy capable of getting 20pts and locking down the opposing wing. Holiday has that potential... but I sort of doubt it gets developed here.

Same with Hardaway - he was oozing potential, but sort of stalled in his second year and picked up bad habits. Atlanta had to break him down and build him up again and they've seemingly done a great job.

I think the real issue we often have is player development. I don't know how you install that, but I was hoping Phil did better with it. They've done a good job with Willy and KP, but even KP keeps making the same mistakes that don't seem to be corrected.