The Cavs get LeBron's best friend and another guy that can be a lead scorer on a team. They also get their pick of Rozier or Marcus Smart who might be able to fill the "playermaker" void that LeBron describes for a guard off the bench.

Celtics upgrade their talent-base without hurting their cache of assets. Yes, they might end up with a less valuable pick in 2017 and 2018 BUT both still will likely be in the lottery, which allows them to parlay them yet again for more tangible assets (i.e. rotation players). Even more important still is that they maintain their core, in particular Jae Crowder who is a grossly underrated player while adding a double-double floor spacer in Kevin Love.

We, on the other hand, maximize our draft potential by effectively having two chances to win the lottery through our pick OR the Nets' pick. That would be far more practical to both teams (BOS and NYK) than us owning the pick outright. I also wouldn't mind taking a flier on Jaylen Brown in spite of being skeptical of his abilities as a player.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=z3sqgvt

NardDogNation wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

exactly my point..

The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).

Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.

joec32033 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

exactly my point..

The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).

Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.

I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.

CrushAlot wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

exactly my point..

The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).

Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.

I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.

I heard Crowder, Smart, Amir Johnson and a first round pick that wasn't bks.

I just can't see the Celtics breaking up their core to acquire Melo. Seems unncessarily risky especially when you consider that they do have other assets to get a deal done. I also have to ask, if you're moving all those defensive players, who is going to make up for the fact that Melo and Isiah Thomas are minus defenders?

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

exactly my point..

The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).

Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.

I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.

I heard Crowder, Smart, Amir Johnson and a first round pick that wasn't bks.

I just can't see the Celtics breaking up their core to acquire Melo. Seems unncessarily risky especially when you consider that they do have other assets to get a deal done. I also have to ask, if you're moving all those defensive players, who is going to make up for the fact that Melo and Isiah Thomas are minus defenders?

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

exactly my point..

The only trade partner that makes sense that I read about was Boston (Crowder/Smart/1st). Another one that may make sense is Chicago if they want to buy into a championship next year (Trade Butler for Melo now, try to sign Paul in the off seasonn have Wade, Paul, and Melo together).

Neither proposed trade you suggested makes sense. That BKN pick and Crowder far outweigh any value Melo brings you and Jimmy Butler is a far superior player to Melo at this point- a superstar in his own right.

I didnt propose the Crowder deal. It is what I heard on several outlets. The Butler deal, I only mentioned the principles.

I heard Crowder, Smart, Amir Johnson and a first round pick that wasn't bks.

I just can't see the Celtics breaking up their core to acquire Melo. Seems unncessarily risky especially when you consider that they do have other assets to get a deal done. I also have to ask, if you're moving all those defensive players, who is going to make up for the fact that Melo and Isiah Thomas are minus defenders?

The guy that I heard talk about the rumor was Mannix. Mannix said Phil regrets not taking Crowder in the Tyson deal and also said Melo would be taking Crowder's spot in the line up. I agree that the defense suffers but Mannix's point was that having just one scorer wouldn't work in the playoffs and that Melo would be a huge get for them. I think Johnson is gone at the deadline or after this season anyway. Mannix also mentioned that they have too many back court players and that they would need to break that up. I believe several of the back court players all become free agents at the same time and they wouldn't be able to resign all of them.

I hear you man. Sometimes I wonder how these rumors get started though because I also don't get the deal from our perspective. If we're moving Melo, why aren't we trying to tank the season instead of bringing in good role players that will prevent us from doing so to the fullest?

dacash wrote:just read the knicks dont even want to break up the clips big 3 to offer melo to them. they will take filler just to get rid of him if this is true then it stinks. phil is pissed at melo so begone for crap players not good at all

Phil's emotions are involved, and I'm sure that meeting had a lot to do with it.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

It's so funny how when we all just talk trading any of our guys we want gone before any rumors even start people on here will be saying there's no way we can trade that guy and get anything in return for them cause nobody wants them and then when we trade that player the same people cry and whine saying we could of got more for that player...hahaha. People did it with T.Chandler, People did it with JR and now people will do it if we trade Melo. It's really pretty funny but also quite annoying.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

It's so funny how when we all just talk trading any of our guys we want gone before any rumors even start people on here will be saying there's no way we can trade that guy and get anything in return for them cause nobody wants them and then when we trade that player the same people cry and whine saying we could of got more for that player...hahaha. People did it with T.Chandler, People did it with JR and now people will do it if we trade Melo. It's really pretty funny but also quite annoying.

I don't neccessarily want Melo gone especially if Phil is negotiating the deal. But the reported purpose for moving him is to get younger and get out from his contract. That deal makes the Knicks older, less talented and locked into the same amount of money for the same length of time. Is anyone endorsing that deal on this board?

I don't know what the final deal is gonna be but I can't imagine the final deal will be exactly what the rumors are stating.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Andrew wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I would be furious if we get Crawford - his contract is awful.

1 more year after this, and could be flipped to a playoff team.

Hoops hype has him at 2 more seasons after this one at $14mil per!

The 3rd year is non-guaranteed though so just next year at just over $14 mil

I still don't like it, plus what do the clips do for guards? Think that leaves them with no SG

like I said in the other thread, he's not trying to trade melo to make the Knicks better, he's trying to dump him for anything available. The only thing he cares about is matching the $

That's what makes Phil so bad, he wants to gut another team, then make his own roster clumsy and dumb with 5 SG, 5 centers and 2 half ass sf...just pure stupidity

Ummmmmmmmm huh?? What the heck are you talking about? He wants to trade Melo to get out of the final two years and $54 million owed to him after this year so he can properly build this team around KP. How can anyone see anything wrong with that? It's not working with Melo if you haven't noticed over the last 7 years and we now have a few good young players so why not start the rebuild asap? The time for Melo to be the #1 guy on a team has passed him by so he now needs to be the #2 or maybe even #3 guy on the team if you want to be a winning team and we can't get those kind of players to come to New York so he needs to go so we can start the rebuild the right way. Melo isn't gonna bring back the kind of return he would of say 3/4 years ago so get what you can for him and there's no big hurry to trade him right now so you have time to work teams against each other since we have almost a month until the trade deadline and if we can get two or even three teams that want him then maybe we can get more for him then he's really worth.

The Daily News is saying that the Knicks might send him to la for Rivers, Crawford and Reddick. That isn't rebuilding, getting younger or getting better. It certainly isn't getting younger and building around KP. Phil wants Melo gone for some reason. He wanted Tyson, JR and Shump gone. He wanted them gone more than he wanted to improve the team. I thought those guys needed to go as well but what Phil got for them sucked. A take of Rivers, Craw and Reddick for Melo would be an awful trade.

It's so funny how when we all just talk trading any of our guys we want gone before any rumors even start people on here will be saying there's no way we can trade that guy and get anything in return for them cause nobody wants them and then when we trade that player the same people cry and whine saying we could of got more for that player...hahaha. People did it with T.Chandler, People did it with JR and now people will do it if we trade Melo. It's really pretty funny but also quite annoying.

I don't neccessarily want Melo gone especially if Phil is negotiating the deal. But the reported purpose for moving him is to get younger and get out from his contract. That deal makes the Knicks older, less talented and locked into the same amount of money for the same length of time. Is anyone endorsing that deal on this board?

I don't know what the final deal is gonna be but I can't imagine the final deal will be exactly what the rumors are stating.