SupremeCommander wrote:so did Rose actually explain what happened? or did he just say a whole lot of nothin?

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No way will they suspend Rose. They just lost to New Orleans --down by as much as 30 at HOME. They ve been getting wiped off the mat. No way will they injure themselves even to prove a point. This is a bad organization proven time and time again--they dont understand winning--they understand Dolanism--the desire to win at all costs but really never have a chance to do so. We got lucky 1 year and that is the model. We ignore all of the losing and why it happens.

Dont worry about tanking--this is a bad bad team--soft as heck--I mean these guys are pssies on the D---they dontb defend soft as butter and it isnt changing.

Yeah, this is a terrible sign. One of the constants with this team is they let the inmates run the asylum. Particularly under Dolan and Mills. Stars are given free reign here.

Just one of the many reasons we suck.

It really is. It was mentioned on a thread that possibly they are bringing him back into the fold to try to protect any 'value' to trade him and I can only pray that is the case. However I have no belief or expectation thats the case. The Knicks are a ball club without accountability, discipline or respect for their fans. This episode with Rose last night is just the latest in a long line of smacks to the mouth for our fan base. Along with Anthony's 3rd ejection of the season and a hammering at home to a poor team it was another embarrassing night for the NY Knicks.

The fact we have some impressionable and promising young players in the locker room like KP, Kuz, Baker etc only makes it worse. What an example to set both by our alleged 'stars' (yeah right) but also management in allowing this **** to go on unpunished.

TPercy wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Dragic and McRoberts for Rose works on trade checker.

Wow I don't see the deal happening but that's pretty good. Rose and Melo have both destroyed their trade value with their recent stunts. Unless the team turns things around it's gonna be tough to make a deal.

Does Miami still want to move on from Dragic? I believe McRoberts is hurt again. Miami might need something more from the Knicks but it might be worth it. Dragic did well for Jeff. Support the coach.

I would think Miami wants an expiring contract for them to have more cap space for the off season. That deal would clear cap for them and solve our pg problem. Could we throw in a second round pick as well?

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:so did Rose actually explain what happened? or did he just say a whole lot of nothin?

He said it was a family situation.

Maybe it was a family situation... or maybe that's the spin they came up with after the fact. It sure seems like curious timing that we was benched in the 4th quarter the previous two games and supposedly argued with the coach after the game... right before he had a family emergency.

If the Knicks are covering for Rose and trying to brush this off like it was nothing when he was actually abandoning the team... it's enabling a player's terrible behavior and it is yet again undermining any authority Jeff Hornacek has on this team.

They have very little chance of turning the season around if this is what I think it is.

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Dragic and McRoberts for Rose works on trade checker.

Wow I don't see the deal happening but that's pretty good. Rose and Melo have both destroyed their trade value with their recent stunts. Unless the team turns things around it's gonna be tough to make a deal.

Does Miami still want to move on from Dragic? I believe McRoberts is hurt again. Miami might need something more from the Knicks but it might be worth it. Dragic did well for Jeff. Support the coach.

I would think Miami wants an expiring contract for them to have more cap space for the off season. That deal would clear cap for them and solve our pg problem. Could we throw in a second round pick as well?

I think that would be the smart move for all parties. The Knicks don't owe Rose anything at this point and this would show management supporting Jeff if Rose's actions were because of a confrontation with Jeff.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No way will they suspend Rose. They just lost to New Orleans --down by as much as 30 at HOME. They ve been getting wiped off the mat. No way will they injure themselves even to prove a point. This is a bad organization proven time and time again--they dont understand winning--they understand Dolanism--the desire to win at all costs but really never have a chance to do so. We got lucky 1 year and that is the model. We ignore all of the losing and why it happens.

Dont worry about tanking--this is a bad bad team--soft as heck--I mean these guys are pssies on the D---they dontb defend soft as butter and it isnt changing.

Yeah, this is a terrible sign. One of the constants with this team is they let the inmates run the asylum. Particularly under Dolan and Mills. Stars are given free reign here.

Just one of the many reasons we suck.

I didn't like that Rose contacted Mills. The memories of Tyson trying to get Woodson fired through Mills are still too fresh. Maybe Phil is unreachable but it still is worrisome.

The GM runs the day to day of the team and oversee personnel. It is entirely correct for Rose to have called Mills especially if travel arrangement were to be made. Mills would have the authority to delegate and also the oversight of financially enable payroll to deduct the cost of travel. Phil could have received the call but would have delegated it anyway. Now, I can't really decipher what phils day to day roles are but I would say Phil more or less plans the strategic short and long term plans, regarding player personel and over scouting. This includes the oversight of coaches. I'd guess Mills oversee's the legal/contractual aspects of players/coach's and with their agents. GM's do more than just man the phones and dream of trades. They actually have oversight to insurance and travel. Not that they are making reservations but they have people reporting to him about it.

Thus, I'd guess you call the GM. He can actually report to Phil and Dolan his wearabouts and what is being done to get him back. Very effiecient!

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:No way will they suspend Rose. They just lost to New Orleans --down by as much as 30 at HOME. They ve been getting wiped off the mat. No way will they injure themselves even to prove a point. This is a bad organization proven time and time again--they dont understand winning--they understand Dolanism--the desire to win at all costs but really never have a chance to do so. We got lucky 1 year and that is the model. We ignore all of the losing and why it happens.

Dont worry about tanking--this is a bad bad team--soft as heck--I mean these guys are pssies on the D---they dontb defend soft as butter and it isnt changing.

Yeah, this is a terrible sign. One of the constants with this team is they let the inmates run the asylum. Particularly under Dolan and Mills. Stars are given free reign here.

Just one of the many reasons we suck.

I didn't like that Rose contacted Mills. The memories of Tyson trying to get Woodson fired through Mills are still too fresh. Maybe Phil is unreachable but it still is worrisome.

The GM runs the day to day of the team and oversee personnel. It is entirely correct for Rose to have called Mills especially if travel arrangement were to be made. Mills would have the authority to delegate and also the oversight of financially enable payroll to deduct the cost of travel. Phil could have received the call but would have delegated it anyway. Now, I can't really decipher what phils day to day roles are but I would say Phil more or less plans the strategic short and long term plans, regarding player personel and over scouting. This includes the oversight of coaches. I'd guess Mills oversee's the legal/contractual aspects of players/coach's and with their agents. GM's do more than just man the phones and dream of trades. They actually have oversight to insurance and travel. Not that they are making reservations but they have people reporting to him about it.

Thus, I'd guess you call the GM. He can actually report to Phil and Dolan his wearabouts and what is being done to get him back. Very effiecient!

Knixkik wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is a good article

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ringer/status/818939090682998784

https://theringer.com/new-york-knicks-derrick-rose-mysterious-absence-4dd9eb4738ac#.wrzz2ldey

It's a very good article. Also reminds me, in the mist of all of this, we still are better off than any of the previous years this decade. Having Porzingis and all our draft picks is a saving grace. I just keep thinking of these things and hope all this other stuff eventually passes.

Yeah, I hope so, too. But the coddling and enabling of players... it's not good and has been this way for multiple GMs now. You have to think it's Mills and Dolan. Particularly in NYC, where players are going to be pulled in every direction... enabling them to get away with whatever they want is a terrible idea.

Nalod wrote:Mrs. BrendaRose: Hi son, I got a new phone, can you hear me?
Drose: A bit fuzzy, but keep Trying!!!!
Mrs. Brenda Rose: Im sorry son, what? you say?
Drose: "KEEP TRYING"
Mrs. Brenda Rose: "IM TRYING, IM TRYING!! (upset)
Drose: Momma!!!! You Say your DYING!!!!
Mrs. Brenda Rose: Yes, I said I am Trying!!!!
Drose: Ok, Momma, you just stay right there!!!!
4 hours later!!!!
Drose: (Busting thru the front door) Momma, oh momma, Im here!!!!
Brenda Rose: boy, you out your mind? All over he news you AWOL, where your phone?
Drose: Wha?
Brenda: Call that Mills man and tell him you sorry!
Coach Cal: Hi, stopped by, was in the neighborhood!
Brenda: You come by to rub the bunyon?
Coach Cal: you have anymore sons? I'll rub what ever you Want!!!
Drose: Damn, I messed up!
Brenda: Fool, shoulda went to Duke! Might have learned something!
Coach Cal: (Slurp, spit) Hey, Im right here I heard that!
Brenda: Handsome man you are Cal!!!! get back under and "Coach", Heh Heh!

Who knows? I have no idea how old his mother is or anything about her. My issue with Rose will always be not notifying somebody last night before the game. No excuse for it based on what we know at this point.

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is a good article

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ringer/status/818939090682998784

https://theringer.com/new-york-knicks-derrick-rose-mysterious-absence-4dd9eb4738ac#.wrzz2ldey

I haven't listened yet but the author was on the locked on Knicks podcast today.
https://audioboom.com/posts/5481069-locked-on-knicks-episode-89-1-10-16-derrick-rose-s-day-off

So funny. You will hurt yourself laughing.

In a way a team can become like family and maybe by embracing the kid all can succeed going forward. Give Rose a one year deal and let him become comfortable in his skin. Naturally there is so much an employer can do but he is untradable at the moment and obviously in need of help.
Most employers are empathetic and try to help their people. Rose is a creature empowered by his basketball talent and has not developed like most of us into adults. its a different path altogether. He is not a criminal, has not done drugs, escaped paying taxes, or hit anyone......He mentally made a mistake. He does not have a history of doing this.

JR was an entitled spoiled brat who thought Stop signs were beneath him and his friend died because of it. Most fans forgave JR over and over for all his transgressions. But Rose misses one game, and yes he should have called. If he did, non of this would be an issue. Isola has no story. Yeash.

We help rehab a player with a bad ankle or other injury, why not help him get his mind straight. Can't hurt anybody? Any of you really financially or emotionally tied to him one way of the other? It not like he ran out of a burning room and left his grandmother to die, he could not function on the basketball court last nite. He might need more time. He might need to walk away from it all. Or he might choose to realize life is not about "being a max player" and life need adjust to less than a MVP trajectory he had at age 22!!!

Maybe the only thing in his life that is not tainted by money or him being financially needed is his son who is pure love for him.
Rose gets a pass. Pouch Isola, a bitter man he is. Selling hate to further his brand. Not buying!