holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TeamBall wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Knixkik wrote:NTC
You think Melo would turn down the chance to live in California and play with Durant, Green, and Curry?!?! And he has a 15% trade kicker - so he'd get about $10 mil extra if he agreed to this (or any) trade.
That had to be more in response to the assertion that it's easy to just say "lets trade him" when he has all the power. At least I think. The warriors wouldn't trade Thompson for Melo so I doubt Knix even took that seriously.With that said, pretty much done with Melo after last night. There was nothing about what he did last night that isn't shameful. It was even commonly agreed on the post game that Melo got himself tossed on purpose. I just wish they blasted him like they do other guys on the team. Disgrace.
It was more a response to the claim people have made over the past 3 years that Melo's contract would one day be a bargain. I never bought it. The Knicks overpay for almost all their players, and then fans wonder why the roster has so many holes.
You have no idea what Melo's real economic impact on the Knicks are to assess value of such a contract...I would venture to say he must be more than a bargain given TV deals that were able to signed at increased rates in 2013 during and after the 54 win season..These business men were more than willing to re-up his agreement weren't they...
The fact that people still tune in to watch these soft candy arse players Phil brought in who play with no passion and pride should be a testament to his value as a player...
I'm talking about impact on wins and losses. I'm not interested in Dolan's wallet though I think he'd make more with a team that regularly went deep in the playoffs anyway.
Impact on wins and losses have a lot more to do with team composition, coach, GM than with one player..If your argument was true, Kareem wouldn't need to go to the Lakers to win Championships...You have pushed this narrative for years knowing the flawed argument it presents...Until you give him GM responsibility to assemble a team of people he thinks he can win with, he should be blameless..Blame Phil..He gutted the team and decided to go with rookie coaches and an inexperienced soft players who want to get along...Surely you can't be blind to that fact unless it's convenient...
I have never said it was just one player. To say that I'm knowingly making a false argument (when it's not even an argument I'm making) is unfair. I have always said Melo is just symptom of a problem that predated him by many years - overpaying in almost every transaction. He's currently the biggest symptom of that problem on our roster (though Noah is not far behind). But if they get rid of him and just overpay for other players, it won't make any difference.
I can go back and pull up arguments that you made prior to his signing the most recent contract to argue my point...Completely disagree about over paying...A guy who can help a team to the second round of the playoffs in NYC is more than worth 25 mil per year easily...Get the right coaches and player around him..If the GM decides to bring in people who only listens to him and only run his system in today's game then all bets are off...Maybe you are looking for a miracle worker at 25 mil per..You seemingly aren't willing to lay the blame where it should be...Maybe we disagree on roster construction..But at least you have seen him lead a team to the second round and that you can't argue...You can say that isn't worth 25 mil but Dolan may say different..
No, you can't. There is no way I argued he was the one and only problem.
Regarding the rest of what you said, the problem is that it is very hard to thoroughly fill out the rest of the roster when you spend 1/4 the cap on a guy who's just an aging volume scorer. It was predictable that when you spend that much on a guy like Melo, the roster will have holes. (And again that doesn't mean Melo is the only problem. He's just the biggest of many current symptoms of the problem.)
No you wouldn't say he is the one and only problem but you would make opaque suggestions that he is responsible for the team's problems..The talent assemble on the starting unit can get us to the second round with a coach who emphasis defense...Our GM wanted a coach who would run his system...Our coach and bench as it turns out isn't up to that task..The guy with the biggest contract gets the blame I get it..But at this point I think he should go..I hope he allows for a trade...I jsut want to see this team flushed of management and coaches and players again and start anew...It's just tiring talking about one guy who isn't the problem when the rest of the roster sucks...It's like reading all the fake news and not talking about the real issues...Melo has become a distraction in what the real problem of this organization is..When you see Breen on TV saying Melo is the problem, pushing fake news, is when you know the house is about to implode...
Sure, if you spend 1/4 of the cap on Melo (or any player), you could still make it to the 2nd round. You're just making that task a lot harder. The more you overpay one player, the more you handicap yourself and the more flawless the rest of your decisions have to be though. It's unlikely that a GM/owner team that overpaid that much for one player would have the right judgment to fill out the rest of the roster effectively. The same flawed judgment involved in overpaying Melo led to all the other overpaying the Knicks did before him and have done since.
Sure, that's easy to say when you don't have the task of running a business and putting people in seats...When you are a now publicly traded company like MSG, continued 20 and 30 win seasons aren't an option...So assessing "correct judgements" is solely based on point of view...For my part, I try to at least be realistic...
Plenty of corporations make short-term sacrifices for long-term prosperity. It's clear MSG/Dolan don't do that though. In that sense you're right. Unless they change their philosophy, I expect many more decades of terrible basketball. (It's ironic that, despite what you said, they've had continued 20 to 30 win seasons anyway.)
