fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Everyone on the internet knows how to build a better team than Phil Jackson.

Well duh. 16 rings vs one killer thread? Not even close.

well those rings are old history. This is the new NBA. They didn't have advanced stats when Phil was winning rings so those guys were basically fumbling around in the dark

Back then advanced stats were for rotisserie league players.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:Everyone on the internet knows how to build a better team than Phil Jackson.

Well duh. 16 rings vs one killer thread? Not even close.

well those rings are old history. This is the new NBA. They didn't have advanced stats when Phil was winning rings so those guys were basically fumbling around in the dark

Triangle??? We talkin' bout Triangle??? The dayum court's shaped like a rectangle, Phil!!! Wake da fucque up, ol man!

EnySpree wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Well, let's see...

We've exhausted the off-season Melohate; I mean, we even have the likes of ChuckyBooBoo hedging his bets...

Rose the filthy pig disgusting rapist has apparently gotten Chucky banned or warned or something, and that thread's essentially degenerated into mreinman talking to himself. I had hoped it was going to out-page the Tony Wroten thread, but...

Noah is now an overpaid injury just waiting to blow up. And it's just certain he came here to waste the last two years of that ridiculous contract. All our hard-earned fanboy cap money going down the toilet...

Now we have Lou Admundson hate for having the audacity to get minumum NBA wage and taking up the 15th chair, when our Somberfolk are absolutely, positively sure there's got to be a younger, more youthful version of CP3/Jeremy Lin II just waiting to be signed for Lou's peanuts, and would love the opportunity to sit behind DRose, Jennings and Handle and possibly Sasha.

The UK. When all else fails, play the negativity card.

I wrote something similar but with more mother****ers in it than a Sam Jackson movie.... glad I deleted it and I'm glad you had the patience to write something so eloquently

why you got to be a such a ***** and delete your post? Keep that **** out there lol

I guess it comes down to, do you want a skill full player who maybe a locker room hazard, or a good locker room guy who cant play a lick.

knicks1248 wrote:Didn't lance Stephenson get the same money?

I guess it comes down to, do you want a skill full player who maybe a locker room hazard, or a good locker room guy who cant play a lick.

OR if that player controversial or not even wants to come here.

knicks1248 wrote:Didn't lance Stephenson get the same money?

I guess it comes down to, do you want a skill full player who maybe a locker room hazard, or a good locker room guy who cant play a lick.

The guy with the 11 championships chose the locker room guy.

I think the thing people miss is that a guy at the end of the bench who "thinks" he deserves more minutes does a couple of things that can hurt a team.

- he may start to bitch and hurt team chemistry
- he may not play/practice as hard because his va-j-j is hurt
- most importantly it can impact the guy who is getting the minutes because he may start looking over his shoulder

Phil's historical rosters are littered with guys like Jack Haley, Chris Mihm, Bill Wennington, Mark Madsen (maybe the best compare for Sweet Lou). I think it's obvious that Phil thinks this player/role can play a part in the overall team dynamic without playing many minutes.

What would make this easier to swallow is if we already have a commitment from Chasson Randle to play in Westchester (who knows -- last I heard, I thought at least 3 teams were interested in Randle--he could very well bolt now if he thinks there's no way to make the Knicks' roster. Why stay if he gets a better offer? But even if Randle agreed to go through training camp and then go to Westchester--if he excelled, any team could swoop in and sign him at any time. I think it's more important to SECURE another PG for depth behind Rose and Jennings either right now or by the end of camp, preferably a similar lead guard-type like a Chasson Randle that can handle it, score, push it, play uptempo, etc. Randle's obviously inexperienced but he does possess those qualities. If Rose AND Jennings ever went down at the same time, I'd want something in place where we could at least try to keep playing the same way/same style. That's how an extra PG fits. How does Amundson fit? Also, I'd be interested to hear what Hornacek thinks about this. I would think he'd prefer to carry the extra ball-handler.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imo

It was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.

Player	                 Age
1.  Derrick Rose	 27 
2.  Courtney Lee	 30 
3.  Carmelo Anthony      32 
4.  Kristaps Porzingis   21
5.  Joakim Noah          31
6.  Brandon Jennings     26
7.  Lance Thomas	 28
8.  Justin Holiday       27
9.  Kyle O'Quinn	 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 26
11. Willy Hernangomez    22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour   24
13. Sasha Vujacic        32
14. Chasson Randle       23 
15. Ron Baker            23
16. Marshall Plumlee     24
17. J.P. Tokoto          23
18. Lou Amundson         33

Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imo

It was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.

Player	                 Age
1.  Derrick Rose	 27 
2.  Courtney Lee	 30 
3.  Carmelo Anthony      32 
4.  Kristaps Porzingis   21
5.  Joakim Noah          31
6.  Brandon Jennings     26
7.  Lance Thomas	 28
8.  Justin Holiday       27
9.  Kyle O'Quinn	 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 26
11. Willy Hernangomez    22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour   24
13. Sasha Vujacic        32
14. Chasson Randle       23 
15. Ron Baker            23
16. Marshall Plumlee     24
17. J.P. Tokoto          23
18. Lou Amundson         33

Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.

You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.

they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuff

Finestrg wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imo

It was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.

Player	                 Age
1.  Derrick Rose	 27 
2.  Courtney Lee	 30 
3.  Carmelo Anthony      32 
4.  Kristaps Porzingis   21
5.  Joakim Noah          31
6.  Brandon Jennings     26
7.  Lance Thomas	 28
8.  Justin Holiday       27
9.  Kyle O'Quinn	 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 26
11. Willy Hernangomez    22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour   24
13. Sasha Vujacic        32
14. Chasson Randle       23 
15. Ron Baker            23
16. Marshall Plumlee     24
17. J.P. Tokoto          23
18. Lou Amundson         33

Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.

You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.

they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuff

My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

This is the money for the end of the bench crew. As I demonstrated above there's enough spots for the Knicks to carry a 3rd PG even if Lou sticks on the roster.

                      SIGNED    BASE     
PLAYER           POS. USING     SALARY      DEAD CAP      CAP FIGURE  CAP %	
Louis Amundson	 PF   Minimum	$1,551,659  ($980,431)	  $980,431    1.04
Sasha Vujacic	 SG   Minimum	$1,410,598  ($980,431)	  $980,431    1.04
Ron Baker	 SG   Minimum	$543,471    ($75,000)	  $543,471    0.58
Maurice N'dour	 PF   Minimum	$543,471    ($1,448,720)  $543,471    0.58
Marshall Plumlee PF   Cap Space	$543,471    ($643,471)	  $543,471    0.58
Chasson Randle	 PG   Minimum	$543,471    ($100,000)	  $543,471    0.58
J.P. Tokoto	 SG   Minimum	$543,471    ($100,000)	  $543,471    0.58

CrushAlot wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Has Lou played for Hornacek if not then he doesn't know his system. Also, if this is just a camp body thing then okay but their is no way he should make the final roster over any young player. I am not a big Plumlee fan but he should get a spot over Lou and Lou should not get in over Baker or Randle either. imo

It was CLEARLY Stated that they're still gonna run Triangle, but simply with greater spacing. An experienced Vet like Lou who has played in MULTIPLE systems over his career can indeed help a coach to demonstrate things to young guys and guys who have Zero NBA experience. I think people are overreacting to this. It's a smart move for Training Camp. This doesn't mean he's going to actually take up a roster spot. We'll have to see what happens. Also Randle could have his spot already pretty much set in stone for all we know.

Player	                 Age
1.  Derrick Rose	 27 
2.  Courtney Lee	 30 
3.  Carmelo Anthony      32 
4.  Kristaps Porzingis   21
5.  Joakim Noah          31
6.  Brandon Jennings     26
7.  Lance Thomas	 28
8.  Justin Holiday       27
9.  Kyle O'Quinn	 26
10. Mindaugas Kuzminskas 26
11. Willy Hernangomez    22
12. Maurice Daly Ndour   24
13. Sasha Vujacic        32
14. Chasson Randle       23 
15. Ron Baker            23
16. Marshall Plumlee     24
17. J.P. Tokoto          23
18. Lou Amundson         33

Just my take--I dont see JP Tokoto making this team Thats 17 Somoen between Baker Randle and Plumlee isnt making the team--thats 16. So the last spot is open. Maybe they just paid Admundson as something they promised from a couple of years ago? Could also just release him. This is a veteran team--dont really need him--he wasnt playing like he did in 2014 in 2015 for us.

You're overthinking this. They paid Lou to come to camp and they respect him so they wouldn't only give him a partial contract no matter if he sticks with the team or not. Plumlee's contract is fully guaranteed this year too. Plumlee may not stick either. We have to see.

they like him as a pro so he makes a great camp invite. There is nothing lost by paying the min for the year and it sets up a precedent of respect. I am sure they promised him some preseason minutes so at worst if he doesn't make the roster he can show case a bit. In exchange he's a pro and mentor to some of the young guys, works hard, plays hard, helps the coach and worst case walks away with a years pay which is what? $600k? $800k? Classy by Knicks, by the player, serves a purpose... people really overthink stuff

My God man. Nobody's overthinking anything. The money's not the issue--Lou potentially occupying the 15th roster spot is!!! Nobody gives a rat's ass about the money (but if you must know, you're off on the amount btw -- this guy's been around a few years now--his vet min. has got to be more than 600k. Try around $3-4mm probably more with the way the cap's increased).. But again, who cares, it's not about the money. It's about utilizing the roster spot with a better player/setting ourselves up with some insurance at an important position. We need more PG insurance!!! I've been talking about Rose and Jennings going down together, what a mess we'd be in, but what if only one of the two went down? Still would pose a big problem. That's where we'd need Randle or someone like him to slide right in as a backup PG to continue playing at a fast pace. Lou does nothing for us as a player. We've got to be at least 4-5 deep at his position already with much better players (both forward spots). Meanwhile, we only have 2 real PGs on this roster as of right now. How can anyone who follows this team with half a brain be OK with Lou Amundson making this roster over a 3rd PG???? That's the issue here. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

There is another thread where there is a podcast talking about how Hornacek likes to run a two point guard offense. If the Knicks keep Lou, Plumlee and NDour they have two point guards. I don't think anyone that follows the Knicks dislikes Lou or doesn't see that he is a good egg that can provide leadership and be a role model. The problem is roster balance. Phil is fond of Lou. I think he gets a spot. Who goes if the Knicks decide to get or keep a camp guy that can play the point? If they don't keep/get a point guard it seems like a big risk and also a step away from what the coach likes to do playing two points at the same time.