dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Are you kidding. You are the ultimate create a villain guy.

very one sided policing ... you are better than this

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Are you kidding. You are the ultimate create a villain guy.

very one sided policing ... you are better than this

that's not one sided, DK has made it clear his feelings about MELO good or Bad..

Dk certain picks sides and once he does, there is no changing his mind, but I believe that he is still less biased than most here.

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Are you kidding. You are the ultimate create a villain guy.

very one sided policing ... you are better than this

ever since being put on ignore by yours truly she's been reaping the whirlwind. kinda sad

he promises if you drink the laid he won't police you! Nixluva is off limits.

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Are you kidding. You are the ultimate create a villain guy.

very one sided policing ... you are better than this

ever since being put on ignore by yours truly she's been reaping the whirlwind. kinda sad

he promises if you drink the laid he won't police you! Nixluva is off limits.

don't care about the contributions of flailing imbeciles.

While healthy debate and discussion is fine, please refrain from rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. If it's severe enough you will lose your account privileges.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Are you kidding. You are the ultimate create a villain guy.

very one sided policing ... you are better than this

ever since being put on ignore by yours truly she's been reaping the whirlwind. kinda sad

he promises if you drink the laid he won't police you! Nixluva is off limits.

don't care about the contributions of flailing imbeciles.

While healthy debate and discussion is fine, please refrain from rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. If it's severe enough you will lose your account privileges.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=3582
Get your act together. There aren't many knick forums left if you get the boot from another one.

oh crap! I don't think that he realized you were a mod. I guess it should have been obvious due to the policing but it never registered.

my bad

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Are you kidding. You are the ultimate create a villain guy.

very one sided policing ... you are better than this

ever since being put on ignore by yours truly she's been reaping the whirlwind. kinda sad

he promises if you drink the laid he won't police you! Nixluva is off limits.

don't care about the contributions of flailing imbeciles.

While healthy debate and discussion is fine, please refrain from rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. If it's severe enough you will lose your account privileges.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=3582
Get your act together. There aren't many knick forums left if you get the boot from another one.

oh crap! I don't think that he realized you were a mod. I guess it should have been obvious due to the policing but it never registered.

my bad

this poster is on my ignore list for the general purposelessness of her contributions-- which in and of itself is inflammatory. but it is her inability to stay on topic and answer direct questions with transparency, ie. "playing games," that qualifies her posts as inflammatory in their own right.

this is offensive to me, and i am not the only one who has said as much. others have used terms such as "smug" or "glib." so far as this latest desperate cry for interaction, it is also trying to goad andrew and martin into action.

again-- kinda sad. pity yes, pardon no.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Excellent Post. As much as i hate knick haters there seems to be Another group that is just as bad. Optimism is good but that doesnt mean every move or decision the knicks make is fantastic. Im probably the biggest knick fan out there. I never miss a game and i go to multiple games(even though its expensive) HOWEVER i try to be impartial even if its not 175 percent positive. Unfortunetly that upsets a certain group and you get labeled a hater which is bullcrap

I hate that double standard. Why does a fan have to be on one side of the fence or another? What's wrong with being critical when 10000% warranted? Some narrow minded fans expect you to drink the Kool Aid, but what if it's been spiked for 16+ years?

There's every single reason in the world to be skeptical of the product on the floor. Until they prove otherwise, let the proof be in the pudding. Thankfully we have a flicker of hope in a 7'3 unicorn on the team, otherwise it'd be even tougher supporting this franchise. Been a fan since the womb and don't intend to jump ship. Ever. Does that make me a bad fan if I'm tough on the Knicks, and they haven't won a title in my lifetime and proceed to rip my heart out year after year?

ChuckBuck wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Excellent Post. As much as i hate knick haters there seems to be Another group that is just as bad. Optimism is good but that doesnt mean every move or decision the knicks make is fantastic. Im probably the biggest knick fan out there. I never miss a game and i go to multiple games(even though its expensive) HOWEVER i try to be impartial even if its not 175 percent positive. Unfortunetly that upsets a certain group and you get labeled a hater which is bullcrap

I hate that double standard. Why does a fan have to be on one side of the fence or another? What's wrong with being critical when 10000% warranted? Some narrow minded fans expect you to drink the Kool Aid, but what if it's been spiked for 16+ years?

There's every single reason in the world to be skeptical of the product on the floor. Until they prove otherwise, let the proof be in the pudding. Thankfully we have a flicker of hope in a 7'3 unicorn on the team, otherwise it'd be even tougher supporting this franchise. Been a fan since the womb and don't intend to jump ship. Ever. Does that make me a bad fan if I'm tough on the Knicks, and they haven't won a title in my lifetime and proceed to rip my heart out year after year?

OK just so we're clear NO ONE has ever said that legit critique can't be made and is made by EVERYONE on this forum. It's simply not true that any of us is ever completely happy with everything going on with this team. However, it's the damn offseason and this team has been remade with better players at key positions. It's a time of typical optimism and hope for a good season. Some have a problem with certain posts being overly negative and nasty towards the team.

IT'S A KNICKS FAN FORUM!!! What do you think most come here for? Most want to talk about legit issues and possibilities for the New Coach and Players. At this early stage it's sometimes a bit much to have some guys post a stream of nothing but negative things. So yes there is a lot of optimism right now and that's to be expected after another busy offseason and new upgrades. No one is saying the team is perfect and will not have any issues this season. However, there is MORE POSITIVE going on than negative with this team and that's why people take issue with lots of overly negative posts at this time.

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Excellent Post. As much as i hate knick haters there seems to be Another group that is just as bad. Optimism is good but that doesnt mean every move or decision the knicks make is fantastic. Im probably the biggest knick fan out there. I never miss a game and i go to multiple games(even though its expensive) HOWEVER i try to be impartial even if its not 175 percent positive. Unfortunetly that upsets a certain group and you get labeled a hater which is bullcrap

I hate that double standard. Why does a fan have to be on one side of the fence or another? What's wrong with being critical when 10000% warranted? Some narrow minded fans expect you to drink the Kool Aid, but what if it's been spiked for 16+ years?

There's every single reason in the world to be skeptical of the product on the floor. Until they prove otherwise, let the proof be in the pudding. Thankfully we have a flicker of hope in a 7'3 unicorn on the team, otherwise it'd be even tougher supporting this franchise. Been a fan since the womb and don't intend to jump ship. Ever. Does that make me a bad fan if I'm tough on the Knicks, and they haven't won a title in my lifetime and proceed to rip my heart out year after year?

OK just so we're clear NO ONE has ever said that legit critique can't be made and is made by EVERYONE on this forum. It's simply not true that any of us is ever completely happy with everything going on with this team. However, it's the damn offseason and this team has been remade with better players at key positions. It's a time of typical optimism and hope for a good season. Some have a problem with certain posts being overly negative and nasty towards the team.

IT'S A KNICKS FAN FORUM!!! What do you think most come here for? Most want to talk about legit issues and possibilities for the New Coach and Players. At this early stage it's sometimes a bit much to have some guys post a stream of nothing but negative things. So yes there is a lot of optimism right now and that's to be expected after another busy offseason and new upgrades. No one is saying the team is perfect and will not have any issues this season. However, there is MORE POSITIVE going on than negative with this team and that's why people take issue with lots of overly negative posts at this time.

Is it considered a negative to say we've been down this road before? Remember the 2013 season when the wheels fell off (literally)?

It's like a broken record with this team, except at least the 2013 team was better assembled for win now mode. This upcoming season is like a car salesmen selling you a 2011 limited model but with a carfax showing you multiple car accidents and manufacturer defects and recalls....but it was good in 2011!

Player	              Age Player	       Age
Kurt Thomas	      40  Carmelo Anthony      32
Jason Kidd	      39  Sasha Vujacic	       32
Rasheed Wallace	      38  Joakim Noah          31
Marcus Camby	      38  Courtney Lee	       30
Kenyon Martin	      35  Lance Thomas	       28
Pablo Prigioni	      35  Justin Holiday       27
Tyson Chandler	      30  Derrick Rose	       27
Amar'e Stoudemire     30  Brandon Jennings     26
James White	      30  Mindaugas Kuzminskas 26
Steve Novak	      29  Kyle O'Quinn	       26
Carmelo Anthony	      28  Cleanthony Early     25
Raymond Felton	      28  Maurice Daly Ndour   24
Chris Copeland	      28  Marshall Plumlee     24
J.R. Smith	      27  Chasson Randle       23 
Ronnie Brewer	      27  Willy Hernangomez    22
Iman Shumpert	      22  Kristaps Porzingis   21

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

nixluva wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im kinda surprised how many Rose threads there are. I know its mostly one person but there are a lot of other things that i think are even more exciting. Obviously KP coming of his great rookie reason is the top thing IMO,hornacek getting another shot,how noah and cortney lee will really improve our defense,jennings, and, the debut of willy. Hell i even miss melo threads.

I already see Rose is going to be the next melo/Amare, the player ya love to hate. If he has a bad game and we lose, he will be the new whipping boy

that's assuming people have a WWF mentality where you have to dumb shyt down to good guy/bad guy. some people are actually impartial, even-handed, fair-minded, dispensing critique and praise where warranted.

Excellent Post. As much as i hate knick haters there seems to be Another group that is just as bad. Optimism is good but that doesnt mean every move or decision the knicks make is fantastic. Im probably the biggest knick fan out there. I never miss a game and i go to multiple games(even though its expensive) HOWEVER i try to be impartial even if its not 175 percent positive. Unfortunetly that upsets a certain group and you get labeled a hater which is bullcrap

I hate that double standard. Why does a fan have to be on one side of the fence or another? What's wrong with being critical when 10000% warranted? Some narrow minded fans expect you to drink the Kool Aid, but what if it's been spiked for 16+ years?

There's every single reason in the world to be skeptical of the product on the floor. Until they prove otherwise, let the proof be in the pudding. Thankfully we have a flicker of hope in a 7'3 unicorn on the team, otherwise it'd be even tougher supporting this franchise. Been a fan since the womb and don't intend to jump ship. Ever. Does that make me a bad fan if I'm tough on the Knicks, and they haven't won a title in my lifetime and proceed to rip my heart out year after year?

OK just so we're clear NO ONE has ever said that legit critique can't be made and is made by EVERYONE on this forum. It's simply not true that any of us is ever completely happy with everything going on with this team. However, it's the damn offseason and this team has been remade with better players at key positions. It's a time of typical optimism and hope for a good season. Some have a problem with certain posts being overly negative and nasty towards the team.

IT'S A KNICKS FAN FORUM!!! What do you think most come here for? Most want to talk about legit issues and possibilities for the New Coach and Players. At this early stage it's sometimes a bit much to have some guys post a stream of nothing but negative things. So yes there is a lot of optimism right now and that's to be expected after another busy offseason and new upgrades. No one is saying the team is perfect and will not have any issues this season. However, there is MORE POSITIVE going on than negative with this team and that's why people take issue with lots of overly negative posts at this time.

Is it considered a negative to say we've been down this road before? Remember the 2013 season when the wheels fell off (literally)?

It's like a broken record with this team, except at least the 2013 team was better assembled for win now mode. This upcoming season is like a car salesmen selling you a 2011 limited model but with a carfax showing you multiple car accidents and manufacturer defects and recalls....but it was good in 2011!

I think we all understand the injury risk issues. This team is YOUNGER than the 2012-13 team. This is the tendency to exaggerate that I complain about.

Player	              Age Player	       Age
Kurt Thomas	      40  Carmelo Anthony      32
Jason Kidd	      39  Sasha Vujacic	       32
Rasheed Wallace	      38  Joakim Noah          31
Marcus Camby	      38  Courtney Lee	       30
Kenyon Martin	      35  Lance Thomas	       28
Pablo Prigioni	      35  Justin Holiday       27
Tyson Chandler	      30  Derrick Rose	       27
Amar'e Stoudemire     30  Brandon Jennings     26
James White	      30  Mindaugas Kuzminskas 26
Steve Novak	      29  Kyle O'Quinn	       26
Carmelo Anthony	      28  Cleanthony Early     25
Raymond Felton	      28  Maurice Daly Ndour   24
Chris Copeland	      28  Marshall Plumlee     24
J.R. Smith	      27  Chasson Randle       23 
Ronnie Brewer	      27  Willy Hernangomez    22
Iman Shumpert	      22  Kristaps Porzingis   21

Though actual age is younger, the key guys Melo, Rose, Noah, Jennings have advanced basketball age due to AAU, deep NCAA runs, Olympics, playing Internationally(Jennings in Italy), deep NBA playoff runs, coming into the NBA at a much younger age, season ending injuries, rehabbing major injuries, nagging injuries every year, etc. Melo as a 19 year old teenager, both Rose and Jennings as 20 year olds, due to the over 19 rule NBA rule change.

They still have extensive basketball mileage and red flags on their carfax even though their age seems young.