dk7th wrote:

blkexec wrote:

dk7th wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:it's going to be interesting to see who among the knick fanbase is going to come to rose's defense come hell or high water, and yet admit they were wrong about him when it all comes to light. then again, if rose's counsel is smart, they will instruct him to pay the poor woman off and move on with his life and career. no shame in being practical and expedient. he'd be a winner in my book if he forks over the major cash to make this go away, so he is not a distraction to himself, his employer, or his fellow employees. a good life lesson and could even be a bit redemptive.

from my experience on this forum i expect to hear nothing but a lot of crickets and bullfrogs.

Feel this woman is trying to extort money as she realized her relationship, with him, was not going to end up in marriage and the easy life. If allegations had more strengh, this would have ended up in a criminal case. But your saying he should not defend himaelf from someone trying to extort money, if he believes he is innocent? So we should all just give in to those that can lie and file a civil lawsuit against us to collect money? Think that is a sad comment on what people have become accustomed to. Maybe if more people fought these attempts at legal extortion, by lawyers, we would have less of it around. IMO, It looks better for him that he is fighting this as opposed to paying for it to be swept under the rug. Hopefully it will have a quuck resolution. Although with attorneys, they will know to stretch it out and make it more of a problem for him.

you are possibly right about her and her motivations. that is for a jury to decide. but, as i have been saying, even if it smacks of extortion, the expedient thing to do for rose is to settle out of court. is it a sad commentary? yes. but sometimes we need to get off the morality high horse and live in the world of realpolitik.

i am saying what i am saying because the media is going to create a distraction not from any of the moral and ethical implications, but because it thrives on sordidness and scandal.

hence settling out of court is far more preferable vis a vis the new york knicks. then the media has no story and rose and his fans and even his non-fans will have to move on.

It doesn't matter what rose does....if he settles or not, the media will continue to make a story out of it, as long as there's an audience who feeds off this junk......Someone mentioned Mike Vick and his dog fighting as an example......what about the KKK leader who backs trump and continues to run for office. He has more blood and crime on his hands that will make rose look like an angel. All these elected officials have done far more negative things to people and children vs fighting dogs and having sex. If u going to lean hard on rose then be consistent and make sure to make a thread for these child molesters and rapist who continue to run for office while spending your tax money in strip clubs. I'm not oblivious to what rose or Fisher has done. But if you want to affect change, don't start with the lower level guys who simply lacks the maturity or because the media decides who u should focus on. Go after the top guys who shouldn't even be aloud to walk this earth. I will have more respect for you then. Jumping on rose without the facts doesn't move the needle.....rose is our PG....and I look forward to seeing him in a knick uniform this season.

As far as being politically correct, if you want to create a site for all these low life's, I will be the first to sign up. But rose will not be at the top of my very long list of low life's.

well it does matter what rose does because you're 100% wrong about the media. if there's no story because he settles, then the media is starved of its lifeblood and moves on to the next tawdry and sordid scandal. no story means no audience-- it's really that simple. here in new york there's a new scandal every week. rose should man up and do what is right for the knicks, who are paying him 20+ million to play basketball, not be hauled into court. if he settles that is a win-win scenario all around. that's not "leaning hard" on rose, that's helping rose make the most practical and expedient move for himself and for his career as a knick, which will more than likely be just one year if he DOESN'T settle before the season begins.

as to the rest of your post, while you raise important issues, they are irrelevant to this discussion and come perilously close, once again, to a straw man argument. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html please try to focus on what i have actually said.

that would be showing me some respect.

kobe settled and without that it would have been a disaster - and there were many questions about kobe's accuser as well.

this needs to go away or else it will of course be a huge distraction.

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

blkexec wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:No he doesn't and painting him as a victim who made an honest mistake is not going to fly with a jury of his peers. He was and is an adult who should man up, pay the woman off before October 4th, put it behind him, and report to his job. It's a charge of sexual assault. Sometimes you need to cut your losses. I'd tell him to pay her 5 million and not look back.

It is a civil case and if you take time to research it a bit I think you would be a little bit slower to condemn the guy. Here is the link again for the text messages exchanged between the two parties. I can't copy and paste them but it isn't too hard to click on a link and do some research before condemning a guy.
http://bossip.com/1303666/bossip-exclusive-will-these-text-messages-clear-derrick-rose-in-rape-case/

crush please stop trying to bring facts into the conversation, they don't fit into dk and chuck's circlejerk

Allegedly manipulated text messages published by the defendant's attorney - This is our standard for facts, now?

this is going to get really ugly for him and will become an embarrassment to the knicks franchise and a distraction to the team, unless he pays her a boatload of money. if i am his lawyer i counsel him that he has to do the expedient thing, which vis a vis his team and fellow employees is also the ethical thing: pay her around 5 million before october 4th, or less than 25% of his salary for the season, and move on. if he has the stones he'll do just that. if not he's a punk missing out on an opportunity to build his character.

it is really that simple and will be a good if slightly painful life experience for him.

The only person thats affected by this is you.....The knicks are fine. This is baggage he received when he was with the Bulls. JR Smith reckless driving killed his passenger. Ray Lewis was accused of murder, and he's currently a well known celebrity here in bmore and he's well respected. Some people continue to hold on to peoples negative past, others move on. Brady continued to lie about all the allegations against him and the franchise. He dragged it out all season.....4 weeks into the season, after throwing several TD's everything will be back to normal. This will pass, just like Trumps racist comments and his campaign manager calling women dikes. People do and say a lot of cruel things in this world.....But sports has a way to erase negativity, if you allow your game to speak for itself. I can see Rose using this to fuel his game on the court.....And I don't see how this will set the franchise back......Isiah Thomas is a good example. He's still employed by the knicks, after everything he's been through.

While this is true it is also wrong. The Michael Vicks and the Isiahs of the world should not be forgiven. Our need for entertainment allows us to gloss over crimes against humanity and society. Sports doesn't speak for itself when it makes acts of cruelty forgotten it only speaks to how far we have fallen. I don't think NY will hold this against Rose, but I think it should. If DK7th is the only person affected by one of our "star" players being accused of rape or sexual assault it only shows how pathetic the rest of us are as human beings.

blkexec and others of his ilk apparently live in a fantasy world. this is new york, the media capital of the world, not some 4th-rate american city. seems like a lot of fans on this forum live far from new york city, so they don't have a feel for what will happen. while i am disgusted by the allegations and really don't give two shyts about the plaintiff or the defendant, i do care a lot about my team.

it isn't the moral outrage that is going to be the driving force behind the attention, it's going to be the media itself that will create the distraction, because morbid and sordid fascination and gossip is what sells. "this too will pass" is a fatuous fantasy that some knick fans blithely promote. the reality is the media will grab this and hold on ferociously.

"the medium is the message"

if rose's lawyer's are savvy-- rose is likely a clueless dunce-- they will dumb down the issue for him and urge him to settle. sadly, it seems that they are going the a-rod route of deny deny deny and counterattack. that isn't going to go over too well in court, will it? i hope jennings is getting his shyt together.

I do not support the notion that he should settle to avoid a distraction. He should not settle it he is completely innocent. Or he can settle if he thinks he exercised bad judgement that indirectly resulted in a person getting assaulted.

If the Knicks feel that need to put the distraction to bed, they can settle on his behalf. Settling out of court is a compromise. And a compromise only comes if you acknowledge some degree of involvement or knowledge.

But, I do agree that the media will make this into a circus. Whether Rose let's that affect him or whether he has the maturity to be a professional sand not let it affect him will depend on how badly this is inflamed by the media and on what kind of substance our fragile hero and our organization are made of.

Based on past data is safe to assume that Dolan will not force the issue and will defnd him. So the question of settling out of court really comes down to whether Rose believes he did something wrong or not.

dk7th wrote:

Nalod wrote:Its a civil suite, not criminal.
He should settle, but the man has a right to test his conviction.
This girl has a history of doing things that Im sure she is not proud of and maybe thought she'd have a long term relationship with him. They had been together a few years.
As for her motives for money or respect, that's going to be settled in a court of law.
If no criminal charges been substantiated, Im not sure how a civil suit has legs.
If so, then her attorney is looking for a settlement using Rose's public reputation as leverage. Since that is not a concern for Rose, then he is intent to ride it out.
Kobe has reconciled with his wife and they are about to have another child together. Another daughter!
I suppose we can judge this in due time.

no there's more than his reputation there's his JOB. he will likely create ill-will with the new york knicks if he doesn't make this go away when the season starts. try the thought experiment with the scenario of his dragging this out. and please don't tell me this will not affect the team.

Right. Look at the effect Barnes ass beating of Fisher took on the team. He effectively lost the respect of his players and peers the instant that story leaked.

Rose would be better served to settle quickly to save face all around and improve on rehabbing his scumbag image.

ChuckBuck wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:
3) What is a sex belt?

And what exactly is the functional purpose of this contraption? Isn't it easier?... ah, never mind!

ESOMKnicks wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:
3) What is a sex belt?

And what exactly is the functional purpose of this contraption? Isn't it easier?... ah, never mind!

the accuser explained, "A sex belt with two bars for the man to hold enables the man to get leverage and hold the bars during the 'doggie style' position."

My guess is Derrick wanted Jane Doe to wear it so he can go deeper Jonathan like Big Ern:

meloshouldgo wrote:

blkexec wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:No he doesn't and painting him as a victim who made an honest mistake is not going to fly with a jury of his peers. He was and is an adult who should man up, pay the woman off before October 4th, put it behind him, and report to his job. It's a charge of sexual assault. Sometimes you need to cut your losses. I'd tell him to pay her 5 million and not look back.

It is a civil case and if you take time to research it a bit I think you would be a little bit slower to condemn the guy. Here is the link again for the text messages exchanged between the two parties. I can't copy and paste them but it isn't too hard to click on a link and do some research before condemning a guy.
http://bossip.com/1303666/bossip-exclusive-will-these-text-messages-clear-derrick-rose-in-rape-case/

crush please stop trying to bring facts into the conversation, they don't fit into dk and chuck's circlejerk

Allegedly manipulated text messages published by the defendant's attorney - This is our standard for facts, now?

this is going to get really ugly for him and will become an embarrassment to the knicks franchise and a distraction to the team, unless he pays her a boatload of money. if i am his lawyer i counsel him that he has to do the expedient thing, which vis a vis his team and fellow employees is also the ethical thing: pay her around 5 million before october 4th, or less than 25% of his salary for the season, and move on. if he has the stones he'll do just that. if not he's a punk missing out on an opportunity to build his character.

it is really that simple and will be a good if slightly painful life experience for him.

The only person thats affected by this is you.....The knicks are fine. This is baggage he received when he was with the Bulls. JR Smith reckless driving killed his passenger. Ray Lewis was accused of murder, and he's currently a well known celebrity here in bmore and he's well respected. Some people continue to hold on to peoples negative past, others move on. Brady continued to lie about all the allegations against him and the franchise. He dragged it out all season.....4 weeks into the season, after throwing several TD's everything will be back to normal. This will pass, just like Trumps racist comments and his campaign manager calling women dikes. People do and say a lot of cruel things in this world.....But sports has a way to erase negativity, if you allow your game to speak for itself. I can see Rose using this to fuel his game on the court.....And I don't see how this will set the franchise back......Isiah Thomas is a good example. He's still employed by the knicks, after everything he's been through.

While this is true it is also wrong. The Michael Vicks and the Isiahs of the world should not be forgiven. Our need for entertainment allows us to gloss over crimes against humanity and society. Sports doesn't speak for itself when it makes acts of cruelty forgotten it only speaks to how far we have fallen. I don't think NY will hold this against Rose, but I think it should. If DK7th is the only person affected by one of our "star" players being accused of rape or sexual assault it only shows how pathetic the rest of us are as human beings.

Here is the problem with this. He is not being accused of rape!! This is a civil suit. You do get that right? The ones who are least likely to forgive and jump all over any rumor or accusation are those who are the most hypocritical. Its unfortunate that 50% of people are haters or people that are happy to see others fail because they are insecure about their own position in life. Rose will have to deal with those either way. As the majority are haters and look for you to stumble.

dk7th wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:
3) What is a sex belt?

And what exactly is the functional purpose of this contraption? Isn't it easier?... ah, never mind!

it looks like a bowling ball polisher from the big lebowski

I was trying to figure that out. Girls with no hips?

EwingsGlass wrote:

dk7th wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

3) What is a sex belt?

And what exactly is the functional purpose of this contraption? Isn't it easier?... ah, never mind!

it looks like a bowling ball polisher from the big lebowski

I was trying to figure that out. Girls with no hips?

Yeah if you can't place an ashtray and a bowl of chips back there then I have a problem with that. That's why when the Williams sisters come over I start with Venus and then move on to Serena. They're happy with this arrangement believe you me.

ChuckBuck wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:This is not a criminal trial. Keep that in mind. These cases are all about money versus reputation. Recall the Kobe matter.

From Wiki:

"Kobe Bryant sexual assault case
The Kobe Bryant sexual assault case began in July 2003 when the news media reported that the sheriff's office in Eagle, Colorado had arrested professional basketball player Kobe Bryant in connection with an investigation of a sexual assault complaint filed by a 19-year-old hotel employee. Bryant had checked into The Lodge and Spa at Cordillera, a hotel in Edwards, Colorado, on June 30 in advance of having surgery near there on July 2 under Dr. Richard Steadman. The woman accused Bryant of raping her in his hotel room on July 1, the night before the surgery.

Bryant admitted to an adulterous sexual encounter with his accuser, but denied the assault allegation. The case was dropped after Bryant's accuser refused to testify in the case. A separate civil suit was later filed against Bryant by the woman. This was settled out of court and included Bryant's publicly apologizing to his accuser, though admitting no guilt on his part."

Without getting into it, as I understand this never made it to authorities. Purely a civil lawsuit. Which makes it about money, not correcting an injustice.

Rose won't serve jail time, but it's the fact he has no one else to blame for this mess, just like Kobe.

It took a public apology, a giant rock the size of the moon, and a few years of rebuilding his rep from a raping a#shole to just a plain a#shole.

As for Rose, him being from a gang background and no wife to apologize to...he'll probably just throw a huge club party and throw 'em up again!

"Recently, a photo has been circulating on the Internet which appears to depict me flashing a gang sign," Rose said in the statement. "This photo of me was taken at a party I attended in Memphis while I was in school there, and was meant as a joke ... a bad one, I now admit. I want to emphatically state, now and forever, that Derrick Rose is anti-gang, anti-drug, and anti-violence. I am not, nor have I ever been, affiliated with any gang and I can't speak loudly enough against gang violence, and the things that gangs represent.

"In posing for this picture, I am guilty of being young, naive and of using extremely poor judgment. I sincerely apologize to all my fans for my mistake. I pride myself on being a good citizen, and role model, that young people can look up to and I want to urge all my young fans to stay away from gangs and gang-related activities."