Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Should be 2 options for Melo.

1)Trading all those picks and assets instead of waiting until he was a free agent in 2011

2)Resigning Melo to a 5 year Max contract with a No Trade Clause kicker instead of doing a proper rebuild

Another option that should be included is using the Amnesty provision on Chauncey Billups instead of saving it for Amare, but I guess that could be rolled up into the Tyson Chandler trade.

I can think of 25+ things worse than those 2, thats for sure.

maybe you can but that melo deal did not bring the knicks even within smelling distance of a conference finals, which would have justified the trade even to those like myself who hated it from the beginning, if only because we knew nothing would come of it.

and nothing has.

the main point is the article is rubbish for not even mentioning that transaction as a possibility for debate.

Exactly. What has the last 6 years of Melo sucking for the Knicks brought the franchise? Nothing but embarrassment and pain.

The only good thing about Melo sucking for the Knicks is his mediocrity has brought us KP. All by accident of course. If he even played close to the top 25 player he's supposed to be, we wouldn't even be in the lottery and players would flock to New York to get a chance to win a ring.

We made the playoffs 3 of those years, and won a playoff series. There is your answer. Is it a lot of success? NO. But more than we had experienced prior to him? Absolutely. Enjoy continuing to be the laughing stock of this board. You wear it well.

Uhhh...Hate to break it to you but half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means.

Just for reference, the Knicks made the playoffs with Stephon phucking Marbury. SO

Someone on this board has to speak the truth and stop sugarcoating mediocrity. Anyone actually happy about the Knicks the last 16 years, is living in denial about reality.

The last time the Knicks were truly relevant was when Jeff Van Gundy was still driving a Honda Civic as coach for the Knicks.

Me. Laughingstock? Sure, if you say so boss.

WINNING a playoff series is the sole accomplishment for this team in the past 10 years on the court. Melo carried that team. End of argument.

Knixkik for the winnnnnnnnn.....YES!

NardDogNation wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Should be 2 options for Melo.

1)Trading all those picks and assets instead of waiting until he was a free agent in 2011

2)Resigning Melo to a 5 year Max contract with a No Trade Clause kicker instead of doing a proper rebuild

Another option that should be included is using the Amnesty provision on Chauncey Billups instead of saving it for Amare, but I guess that could be rolled up into the Tyson Chandler trade.

I can think of 25+ things worse than those 2, thats for sure.

maybe you can but that melo deal did not bring the knicks even within smelling distance of a conference finals, which would have justified the trade even to those like myself who hated it from the beginning, if only because we knew nothing would come of it.

and nothing has.

the main point is the article is rubbish for not even mentioning that transaction as a possibility for debate.

Exactly. What has the last 6 years of Melo sucking for the Knicks brought the franchise? Nothing but embarrassment and pain.

The only good thing about Melo sucking for the Knicks is his mediocrity has brought us KP. All by accident of course. If he even played close to the top 25 player he's supposed to be, we wouldn't even be in the lottery and players would flock to New York to get a chance to win a ring.

We made the playoffs 3 of those years, and won a playoff series. There is your answer. Is it a lot of success? NO. But more than we had experienced prior to him? Absolutely. Enjoy continuing to be the laughing stock of this board. You wear it well.

Uhhh...Hate to break it to you but half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means.

Just for reference, the Knicks made the playoffs with Stephon phucking Marbury. SO

Someone on this board has to speak the truth and stop sugarcoating mediocrity. Anyone actually happy about the Knicks the last 16 years, is living in denial about reality.

The last time the Knicks were truly relevant was when Jeff Van Gundy was still driving a Honda Civic as coach for the Knicks.

Me. Laughingstock? Sure, if you say so boss.

WINNING a playoff series is the sole accomplishment for this team in the past 10 years on the court. Melo carried that team. End of argument.

Knixkik for the winnnnnnnnn.....YES!

Really? What did he win?

ChuckBuck wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Should be 2 options for Melo.

1)Trading all those picks and assets instead of waiting until he was a free agent in 2011

2)Resigning Melo to a 5 year Max contract with a No Trade Clause kicker instead of doing a proper rebuild

Another option that should be included is using the Amnesty provision on Chauncey Billups instead of saving it for Amare, but I guess that could be rolled up into the Tyson Chandler trade.

I can think of 25+ things worse than those 2, thats for sure.

maybe you can but that melo deal did not bring the knicks even within smelling distance of a conference finals, which would have justified the trade even to those like myself who hated it from the beginning, if only because we knew nothing would come of it.

and nothing has.

the main point is the article is rubbish for not even mentioning that transaction as a possibility for debate.

Exactly. What has the last 6 years of Melo sucking for the Knicks brought the franchise? Nothing but embarrassment and pain.

The only good thing about Melo sucking for the Knicks is his mediocrity has brought us KP. All by accident of course. If he even played close to the top 25 player he's supposed to be, we wouldn't even be in the lottery and players would flock to New York to get a chance to win a ring.

We made the playoffs 3 of those years, and won a playoff series. There is your answer. Is it a lot of success? NO. But more than we had experienced prior to him? Absolutely. Enjoy continuing to be the laughing stock of this board. You wear it well.

Uhhh...Hate to break it to you but half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means.

Just for reference, the Knicks made the playoffs with Stephon phucking Marbury. SO

Someone on this board has to speak the truth and stop sugarcoating mediocrity. Anyone actually happy about the Knicks the last 16 years, is living in denial about reality.

The last time the Knicks were truly relevant was when Jeff Van Gundy was still driving a Honda Civic as coach for the Knicks.

Me. Laughingstock? Sure, if you say so boss.

WINNING a playoff series is the sole accomplishment for this team in the past 10 years on the court. Melo carried that team. End of argument.

Knixkik for the winnnnnnnnn.....YES!

Really? What did he win?

The argument, silly.

Our franchise- and I'm worried we've committed the same sin this summer- has made awful moves thinking they were always one piece, one player, one move away from being something that we aren't.

We have yet to bite the bullet and do a real rebuild, we're we stink for a couple years AND accumulate draft picks AND build a foundation of youth.

Instead, this summer, we've built a foundation of older players with past histories of greatness and a legacy of DNPs and injuries.

franco12 wrote:I voted Bargs but I want to change and select going all in for Lebron, because that set everything else bad that happened in motion.

Our franchise- and I'm worried we've committed the same sin this summer- has made awful moves thinking they were always one piece, one player, one move away from being something that we aren't.

We have yet to bite the bullet and do a real rebuild, we're we stink for a couple years AND accumulate draft picks AND build a foundation of youth.

Instead, this summer, we've built a foundation of older players with past histories of greatness and a legacy of DNPs and injuries.

we tried the youth rebuild, when phil first got here, we also tried the with walsh(chandler, mosgov, gallo, toney douglas)

This is a Players league, and vets win, young boys get traded cause the losing get sickening.

EVERY CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM TRADED OR AQUIRED THE MISSING PIECES

EnySpree wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Why do you guys love to talk about the misery of this franchise?? You guys are as miserable as they come

Because its our recent history of the Knicks. Its not about being negative/miserable its just being honest about our team situation for the past 16 years. That doesn't mean the misery will continue.

Some fans just like to see the yellow kernels of corn in their shyt after eating a few husks. At the end of the day, it's still a huge log of shyt floating in your toilet, no matter how many yellow kernels you count.

Gotta call a spade a spade. Nothing to root for in the Knicks for 16 years. We have a 7'3 glimmer of hope. It's his time now.

Look I love positivity I honestly do. However like you said sometimes you gotta be honest even if its critical. Yes KP gives me a lot of hope and I feel this year he will truly be our best all around player and all star

But why when we are in a possible resurgence do we have to keep talking about the worse things that happened to us the last 16 years? Why do we need a poll? Why do we need to keep reliving this over and over? Alot of you have been conditioned to be miserable. It's not about being honest or whatever. We lived the past and we've talked about it to no end. The Knicks have been ushering in a new Era the past 2 years... too much to talk about instead of taking that step back into misery.

Because we're repeating the same mistakes again and trying to win now instead of build for the future. Resigning Melo, trading for Rose, signing Noah. All will be washed up in 1.5 years due to age, injuries, ineptitude.

Only signing that made sense was Courtney Lee even though we overpaid.

Are only hope, besides KP ascending to all star status, is getting a true free agent playmaker in 2017 once Rose's contract is up, and getting another stud rookie in the draft.

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:All those moves were base on improving the team, they just didn't pan out. It is what it is, set backs. Obviously if you could read the future, you would know better.

The problem with any move is that we never make another move to compliment the first move, that's been the problem since ewing

The problem of Knicks organization for the last 15 years was not any specific move but rather luck of strategy and direction.
Great sport organization (and any great organizations) can only be build according to strategic plan over extended period of time.
MSG just moved through the corporate motions and various tactical moves to keep owner happy and bunch of bureaucrats employed.
The victims of this calamity are fans and players.
And Melo is the biggest loser who wasted the prime time of his carrier playing on crappy losing team in worst organization of all pro sports.
Hopefully this crap is over and NY fans will get some better product.
May be to late for Melo... but he made his own choices and has no one to blame.

yes there needs to be a specific plan in place, a strategy. i have a very clear notion of what that is which is to develop kp6 as soon as possible, and make sure you have players who are on board with that strategy. if they don't they cannot last as knicks. thoughts of rose somehow being able to have the freedom he once enjoyed as a bull somehow continuing here is ridiculous.

NardDogNation wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Should be 2 options for Melo.

1)Trading all those picks and assets instead of waiting until he was a free agent in 2011

2)Resigning Melo to a 5 year Max contract with a No Trade Clause kicker instead of doing a proper rebuild

Another option that should be included is using the Amnesty provision on Chauncey Billups instead of saving it for Amare, but I guess that could be rolled up into the Tyson Chandler trade.

I can think of 25+ things worse than those 2, thats for sure.

maybe you can but that melo deal did not bring the knicks even within smelling distance of a conference finals, which would have justified the trade even to those like myself who hated it from the beginning, if only because we knew nothing would come of it.

and nothing has.

the main point is the article is rubbish for not even mentioning that transaction as a possibility for debate.

Exactly. What has the last 6 years of Melo sucking for the Knicks brought the franchise? Nothing but embarrassment and pain.

The only good thing about Melo sucking for the Knicks is his mediocrity has brought us KP. All by accident of course. If he even played close to the top 25 player he's supposed to be, we wouldn't even be in the lottery and players would flock to New York to get a chance to win a ring.

We made the playoffs 3 of those years, and won a playoff series. There is your answer. Is it a lot of success? NO. But more than we had experienced prior to him? Absolutely. Enjoy continuing to be the laughing stock of this board. You wear it well.

Uhhh...Hate to break it to you but half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means.

Just for reference, the Knicks made the playoffs with Stephon phucking Marbury. SO

Someone on this board has to speak the truth and stop sugarcoating mediocrity. Anyone actually happy about the Knicks the last 16 years, is living in denial about reality.

The last time the Knicks were truly relevant was when Jeff Van Gundy was still driving a Honda Civic as coach for the Knicks.

Me. Laughingstock? Sure, if you say so boss.

WINNING a playoff series is the sole accomplishment for this team in the past 10 years on the court. Melo carried that team. End of argument.

Knixkik for the winnnnnnnnn.....YES!

Really? What did he win?

The argument, silly.

Nope not even close. The question was what was the worst move. One playoff series win in the context of the long term of damage done by the Amare and two Melo contracts is the worst move ever. Would we have had more playoff wins without those contracts and by acquiring different players at different times. I think yes, you probably disagree. It's an argument we will never settle.

The premise of thread is stupid though.

meloshouldgo wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Should be 2 options for Melo.

1)Trading all those picks and assets instead of waiting until he was a free agent in 2011

2)Resigning Melo to a 5 year Max contract with a No Trade Clause kicker instead of doing a proper rebuild

Another option that should be included is using the Amnesty provision on Chauncey Billups instead of saving it for Amare, but I guess that could be rolled up into the Tyson Chandler trade.

I can think of 25+ things worse than those 2, thats for sure.

maybe you can but that melo deal did not bring the knicks even within smelling distance of a conference finals, which would have justified the trade even to those like myself who hated it from the beginning, if only because we knew nothing would come of it.

and nothing has.

the main point is the article is rubbish for not even mentioning that transaction as a possibility for debate.

Exactly. What has the last 6 years of Melo sucking for the Knicks brought the franchise? Nothing but embarrassment and pain.

The only good thing about Melo sucking for the Knicks is his mediocrity has brought us KP. All by accident of course. If he even played close to the top 25 player he's supposed to be, we wouldn't even be in the lottery and players would flock to New York to get a chance to win a ring.

We made the playoffs 3 of those years, and won a playoff series. There is your answer. Is it a lot of success? NO. But more than we had experienced prior to him? Absolutely. Enjoy continuing to be the laughing stock of this board. You wear it well.

Uhhh...Hate to break it to you but half the teams in the NBA make the playoffs. Not an accomplishment by any means.

Just for reference, the Knicks made the playoffs with Stephon phucking Marbury. SO

Someone on this board has to speak the truth and stop sugarcoating mediocrity. Anyone actually happy about the Knicks the last 16 years, is living in denial about reality.

The last time the Knicks were truly relevant was when Jeff Van Gundy was still driving a Honda Civic as coach for the Knicks.

Me. Laughingstock? Sure, if you say so boss.

WINNING a playoff series is the sole accomplishment for this team in the past 10 years on the court. Melo carried that team. End of argument.

Knixkik for the winnnnnnnnn.....YES!

Really? What did he win?

The argument, silly.

Nope not even close. The question was what was the worst move. One playoff series win in the context of the long term of damage done by the Amare and two Melo contracts is the worst move ever. Would we have had more playoff wins without those contracts and by acquiring different players at different times. I think yes, you probably disagree. It's an argument we will never settle.

The premise of thread is stupid though.

It really is big time omissions by the thread starter. Let's just say for arguments sake, franchise A had just traded an exorbitant amount of picks and players for the rights for player X. Player X gets an extension for $65 million then when he hits free agency, get another $125 million. That's $190 million for 8 years of service that franchise A committed to this 1 supposed superstar. Now if player X had the players around him, had the coaches he wanted around him, and had free reign to do what he wanted on the court...only produced 1 playoff series win in that time frame.

You guys tell me. Is $190 mill worth 1 measly win? Or is it a huge phucking mistake?

Nalod wrote:Eddy trade and the Marbury trade as corrective moves to undo the Ewing decline/trade was awful.
The picks we gave for eddy became Aldridge and Noah.
Then, the next opportunity was undoing that group which by directive of the owner had us dumping contracts on discount that we paid a premium for. Larry and Isiah could not do much with them, nor could MDA who I assume was a draw at the time and hope for Lebron.
The Amare and Melo show dictated a "Win now" assumption and that made the gamble for Bargs interesting. Bargs biggest crime at that time was he got hurt a lot. Im not defending him, but that move, like any other you have to go to that exact moment in time and look at the team, and the options available. We can look back with the benefit of hindsight and be all so brilliant about things.

Biggest mistake was abandoning what ever Scott Layden had in his head before he was fired. The team was awfully boring at the time but Layden was not making panic moves after the Dice Disaster. That I fully blame on Dolan. At the time it had some logic, but it was a stretch. Layden after year had his picks and expiring contracts. That moment in time was prime for rebuilding. It was rumored that the marbury deal was on Laydens desk and he did not want to do it. Its why he was fired mid season (remember, no body fires GM's mid season but knicks!!!)and then Isiah did the deal QUICK! That of course made firing Chaney (CLumsey) and when Isiah botched hiring Fratello, he turned to Wilkens at the last moment.

Thus, you have to go back 12 years and say that the moment Isiah was hired, it set upon series of events that had ramifications for years after. There is not eddy trade without Isiah (remember, the phat phuck was taking ephedra and the Bulls forbid hiim to play basketball!!! They were ready to retire him!!! So Isiah gave them 2 no. 1 picks unprotected!!!)

Again, go back in time and think of the how Eddy left the Bulls. The stupidity at that moment is of course magnified over time. But it was insane then as well.

Isiah has no bearing on Walsh's or Grunwald's or Phil's moves. Isiah didn't hire D'Antoni, didn't draft Jordan Hill, didn't make the Melo trade, the Bargnani trade, use his Amnesty too early on Billups instead of Amare, didn't choose to let Lin go, didn't trade Tyson Chandler for dog doo doo, didn't trade JR and Shump for the remnants of dog doo doo, and certainly didn't resign an aging injury prone player in Melo to another 5 years.

Isiah is cleansed on the Knicks side of things a long time ago....well not totally!

Only in Melohate world can you offer up these brilliant responses, over and over again, for years:

1) Losing less than before "the Trade" is not as good as losing more before "the Trade".
2) Constantly talking about all the "assets" that were lost in "the Trade" without mentioning what Denver managed to become with all those "assets".
(Remember the world beaters Ujiri was going to turn that franchise into in just a few short years? Remember all that? WCF!!! Gallo, the legit All Star Stud!!! Moz, the project who was going to burn up the league!!! My Mayor, oh my Mayor!!!)
3) Constantly referring to LinLove. The loss of a two week wonder who became nothing more than a another shyte-covered rhoid that Melohaters with head firmly up their azzes can pine and moan for. Oh yeah, and ignore the fact he amounted to an overpaid journeyman who other franchises had to give up draft picks to dump. Who also never played in anything but the "jv season" for us. All the while whining about Melo's contracts and not seriously wondering if Lin's contract to back up Patrick Beverly and Toney Fuhucquing Douglas actually was, ridiculous.
4) Equating Melo with Starbury, at any level. Unblushingly.
5) Having warm, wet memories of Landry Fields and his parabola jumpshyte.
6) Getting to the second round or being at the top of the division are things not to speak of. Neither are scoring championships or franchise records. Tanking is, though.
7) Talking up Rashweed and Jkidd as true saviors of the franchise. Anything but Melo. And believe in your heart that this shows incredible BB IQ.
8) When all else fails, ignore rationality, and just say "Dolan".
9) Whining about all the All-Stars who don't, and never will have, the balls to come to NY to play, but would rather take their talents elsewhere. Usually with two other superfriends. And somehow this is Melo's fault. I guess a benefit of having your Melohating head up your azz, is you get incredible insights into the actual quality of other people's balls.
10) Posting pics of the Hibbert block (in the second round of the playoffs) and seriously thinking that's worse than any Barg's meme on the internet.

I applaud the dynamic duo's unswerving dedication to being the poster children for deranged Melohate. Somewhere, tkf is shedding tears of pride.

Continue to have a nice next 3 seasons fellas!