WaltLongmire wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?

His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.

Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.

My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..

That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think they like him, I guess just not enough after they acquired Wade where they cut him for one reason or another. I don't think Phil's that high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.

EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should we need them.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two. And Vujacic a point guard?? Huh??? There's nothing anyone can say that can make me believe Sasha Vujacic can play NBA PG. That's delusional. The man's not a PG; he's a washed up 2G. That's the reality. I don't even care for him as a 3rd string SG behind Holiday... To think we're OK with Vujacic behind Rose and Jennings (two big injury risks), is bat **** crazy. How can you guys not want more adequate depth behind those two at the point?!? If we get to a point where we're down either Rose or Jennings or God forbid both, we're in serious trouble. Sasha is not the answer in that situation -- come one fellas! We spent a ton of money to win now -- it'd be one hell of a shame if not having adequate PG depth held us back if we suffered some injuries at that position. I can't be the only one on here who feels this way.. I don't get it -- how is that crying?!!? LOL.

I missed the part where we signed Drew Gooden.

Not yet but they're looking at him. Supposedly Phil reached out to him recently...Usually where there's smoke, there's fire, right? If they got Gooden, I couldn't get behind that either just like the Vujacic signing. Even more so as we need another legit PG more.

You STILL think they're "looking" at Gooden after signing N'Dour?

I have a feeling that you know the answer to your question.

But hearing the justification is what makes it fun.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

Could have gotten him in the Rose trade...No?

His 2016/7 money was not guaranteed- we could have gotten him included, I would think, although I don't know the cutoff dates for when the contract would have become guaranteed.

Chicago just let him go...and now they have Jerian Grant, instead. You can reach your own conclusions.

My conclusion all along is that Dinwiddie's the better player over Grant, but that's me. And I like Grant..

That's a good point--Dinwiddie would've been a good piece to get back in that trade along with Rose. I think the Bulls like him (they traded for him) but that was before Wade. I guess after they acquired Wade they decided to cut him for one reason or another. Looks like Phil's the one who's not high on Dinwiddie--that's what I have trouble comprehending.

EnySpree -- I'm not crying, my God!! Just trying to be 100% objective, even when talking about rounding out the final few spots of this roster. And I'm not trying to hate on Phil--that's ridiculous, come on. I've stated repeatedly on different threads the last couple of days that he's done a good job this offseason. I just don't like the idea of filling the last couple of spots with washed up players. Makes no sense to me. ZERO..Gimme a couple of more guys with upside, guys with a future, guys we could send to Westchester to develop for next year or for this year should the need arise.. Sasha Vujacic and Drew Gooden??? Come on. Phil's got to be joking with those two. And Vujacic a point guard?? Huh??? There's nothing anyone can say that can make me believe Sasha Vujacic can play NBA PG. That's delusional. The man's not a PG; he's a washed up 2G. That's the reality. I don't even care for him as a 3rd string SG behind Holiday... To think we're OK with Vujacic behind Rose and Jennings (two big injury risks), is bat **** crazy. How can you guys not want more adequate depth behind those two at the point?!? If we get to a point where we're down either Rose or Jennings or God forbid both, we're in serious trouble. Sasha is not the answer in that situation -- come one fellas! We spent a ton of money to win now -- it'd be one hell of a shame if not having adequate PG depth held us back if we suffered some injuries at that position. I can't be the only one on here who feels this way.. I don't get it -- how is that crying?!!? LOL.

I cosign about Dinwiddie. He is a better player right now than Jerian and we should sign him. He was victim of a cap numbers crunch in Chicago after signing Wade and that's why they waived him. They still like him; he's on their SL squad, but they have too many pg's. We should scoop Spencer up. Watched him a little bit in SL games. He's playing better than Jerian. He has good size for a pg, which is what Phil likes and plays with poise and confidence running the show. He is also sneaky athletic. He would be a great 3rd stringer to develop and would somewhat absorb the loss of Grant.

And, hells NO, Sasha can't run the point in the NBA--even in spot minutes--that's ridiculous!

Thank you. Man, I thought it was just me. On what planet does Sasha Vujacic = adequate PG depth? Absolutely ludicrous. lol. He's not even adequate 2G depth and that's his one and only position... And yeah, in full agreement with you -- I have Dinwiddie ahead of Grant as a player and you're right--he has looked better than Grant in SL too. Just a real nice talented big guard with advanced skills. Man, he'd be perfect. I've got Dinwiddie ahead of Canaan as a player too. Chicago doesn't apparently see it that way but whatever -- I'd love to turn their loss into our gain. One man's trash is another man's treasure...Go get this guy, Phil!! Dinwiddie would make a great 15th man right now--I could easily see him bypassing Sasha in the rotation almost instantly (a given to me), maybe even Holiday (the beauty with Dinwiddie is he's a guy you consider at either guard spot--legit skills to play either position), possibly even giving Jennings a run for his money at backup point. And even if we had him earmarked for Westchester for the time being, as long as we gave him at least partially guaranteed money, he'd accept that assignment...I know this for sure -- if something ever happened to either Rose and/or Jennings, we'd be glad we had this dude around. And Hornacek would love this guy -- I could see him making great use of Dinwiddie's versatile skill set at either guard spot.

I think that, among other things, they are going to work with Baker on becoming a Galloway type lead guard, as well as his natural SG position.

GS won a championship with 2 PGs...Iggy and Barbosa were not PGs, and they had the same situation this year. Cavs basically won their title with 1 true PG, and James. Delvadova is a marginal PG, and Mo Williams is basically a scorer at this point, and would let James run the team.

I think Phil made a statement, and perhaps a concession to Horncek, with his acquisition of Rose and the signing of Jennings...two pretty good PGs. I find it hard to believe that Phil, the guy who has traditionally marginalized the PG position is going to waste a spot on a young PG with little NBA experience who might not be wanted by other teams.

Some of the PGs being mentioned here are younger developmental type players, who have never been full time starters in the NBA...I doubt if Phil wants that kind of player on the roster, and he had an opportunity to sign some of them.

If Baker is not on the roster at the start of the season, he would be replaced by a veteran PG...a Blake or a Miller...or that type of player, I suppose, but it makes no sense to me bringing on an inexperienced PG with no significant NBA PG experience, especially since we already know that Baker seems to have support in the organization.

Maybe I'm wrong about this...maybe I'm not...we will see.

NYKBocker wrote:How many teams have starting caliber 3rd string PGs?

They all should.

By the sounds of things here, there is a virtual plethora of talent PGs that were undrafted or played in the D-League just waiting for some PT from an NBA team.

BigDaddyG wrote:If both Rose and Jennings are out for an extended period of time, i'm confident Sasha can step in and lead us to the promised land...the Lottery. Seriously, if things deteriorate to the point where we need to count on some washed up vet third stringer, i'd rather we tank and work on getting in the top 5 of the lottery.

If we were doing well and this kind of thing happened near the trade deadline, you would look to pick up someone then, I would expect.

As you say, though, if both those guys are down, why play toward mediocrity and a poor draft pick when you can simply roll with the bad luck and benefit in the next draft.

Bonn1997 wrote:Is our SG situation set? We have Lee and 2 guys who shot 38% last year

Bonn1997 wrote:Is our SG situation set? We have Lee and 2 guys who shot 38% last year

BigSm00th wrote:PG: Rose, Jennings
SG: Lee, Holliday, Sasha
SF: Melo, Lance, Kuzmingas
PF: Porzingis, Ndour, Willy
C: Noah, O'Quinn, Plumlee

Thats the current depth chart post Ndour signing. 14 guys, so 1 more roster spot.

2 yrs in a row we have just massively overbuilt the front court. We have 9 guys who can play 3-4-5 in an age where plenty of teams play 3 guards at a time. Melo, KP, Noah, Lance (30 for he starters, 20 for lance) will combine for 110 out of a possible 144 minutes.

The only 2 PG on the roster are both coming off major injuries. If we dont go into the season with a third PG on the roster its criminal mismanagement

seriously - if rose gets hurt the plan is to play jennings the full 48 minutes? Or vice versa. Jennings gets hurt, we're gonna play rose, the most fragile guy in the league, the full 48?

Baker and Randle should be in Westchester, neither is ready. We need a vet PG desperately.

I would have to think that the 15th spot is for a PG and Phil could be waiting on a certain veteran to accept a vet min deal or his plan might be to go with R.Baker (more of a SG) or C.Randle as the 3rd PG. I've been saying all off season that we should sign Kevin Martin who can play both guard spots and can shoot the 3 ball which we still need more players that can hit the 3 ball. Sasha can also play PG so he could be the plan for the 3rd PG spot as well even though he's also more of a SG but in the triangle Sasha could play PG just fine.

If Hernangomez looks capable, maybe they'll be more apt to move a O'Quinn, or if Plumlees looks totally overmatched, maybe they'll just pay him is money and ask him to go to Westchester as a non-roster player.

Knicks still have roster options. They have a 15th spot and can probably open another if necessary.

Finestrg wrote:Absolutely we need another PG and man would I prefer one with some upside. And NO, Vujacic is no PG--do some of you really believe that?!? Wow!! Sasha was GOD AWFUL virtually all year...Just like last year, all this move has to do with is Phil throwing his old buddy yet another bone masquerading as a move for another experienced triangle player (gimmie a break ), a KP mentor , etc.. I can't even believe he's back on the team at the 2 spot.. I want a legit ball-handler with upside for the last spot -- Spencer Dinwiddie, Cat Barber or Corey Walden -- in that order for me. Only if I couldn't get one of those 3 would I then focus on Randle or Baker (who should be locks for the expanded training camp roster but nothing more than that at this time).

I can't believe Phil doesn't value Spencer Dinwiddie at all. I would think he's EXACTLY what he'd be looking for in a guard. This dude could be our very own version of Shaun Livingston/better version of Mardy Collins. I'd jump all over this dude right now with a guaranteed contract.

How do you know that Phil doesn't value S.Dinwiddie at all?? Have you spoken to Phil?? Maybe Phil got in touch with his agent but they're looking for more then a vet min contract which we can't do.