meloshouldgo wrote:

franco12 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is potentially the best Knicks lineup since Sprewell/Houston/Camby/LJ. I know it probably won't be long lived. But long lived is hard in the NBA. Warriors just lost Harrison Barnes. OKC lost Ibaka and Harden over the years.

I get that people want to build through the draft... I do too. But sometimes it makes more sense to go for it. The chance to get DRose and Noah with something to prove for very little risk? It's worth it. If you don't see now, you'll see next May when the Knicks are actually playing meaningful basketball for once.

The risk with Rose is if Grant turns into a keeper.

Noah on the other hand is signed for 4 years and not small money. What happens if he is declining and not producing and not playing because he's hurt?

EDDY CURRY part deux

Eddie Curry NEVER had the fire that Noah brings to the court and the team. If so, his path and ours would have been totally different.

franco12 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is potentially the best Knicks lineup since Sprewell/Houston/Camby/LJ. I know it probably won't be long lived. But long lived is hard in the NBA. Warriors just lost Harrison Barnes. OKC lost Ibaka and Harden over the years.

I get that people want to build through the draft... I do too. But sometimes it makes more sense to go for it. The chance to get DRose and Noah with something to prove for very little risk? It's worth it. If you don't see now, you'll see next May when the Knicks are actually playing meaningful basketball for once.

The risk with Rose is if Grant turns into a keeper.

Noah on the other hand is signed for 4 years and not small money. What happens if he is declining and not producing and not playing because he's hurt?

Noah is not Jerome James or Eddy Curry....he has a lot of pride. I think those injuries are a thing of the past and the results of Thibs running him down to a nub. I think with Willy backing him up and KP moving to the 5 in short stretches I think we will be fine

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/cap/

This is as accurate as I have seen. Without using sign and trades to limit cap impact (like we did with KOQ), we have $9mm left if we renounce all FAs. Or we can keep Gallo and Thomas with $4.7m in cap holds. I'd still offer Derrick the balance of 5.3mm on a 1 and 1, but i doubt it. Also hoping bennet is signing with our room exception.

Knickoftime wrote:Curry to Noah comps immediately disqualies whomever uttered it as having any credibility.

For or against?

Knickoftime wrote:Curry to Noah comps immediately disqualies whomever uttered it as having any credibility.

Before imposing your wisdom on the rest of us less fortunate people, at least attempt to understand what was written.

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

franco12 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is potentially the best Knicks lineup since Sprewell/Houston/Camby/LJ. I know it probably won't be long lived. But long lived is hard in the NBA. Warriors just lost Harrison Barnes. OKC lost Ibaka and Harden over the years.

I get that people want to build through the draft... I do too. But sometimes it makes more sense to go for it. The chance to get DRose and Noah with something to prove for very little risk? It's worth it. If you don't see now, you'll see next May when the Knicks are actually playing meaningful basketball for once.

The risk with Rose is if Grant turns into a keeper.

Noah on the other hand is signed for 4 years and not small money. What happens if he is declining and not producing and not playing because he's hurt?

Noah is one of my all time favorite basketball players. He's a guy you take a risk on imho. It could blow up, but I predict we get one season of truly great ball from he and Rose. This season is gonna be about Rose and Noah proving they still have something left. I think we will get to at least the second round, maybe ECF. Maybe even further. You never know. It's a risky move, but it jibes with where Melo is at. This is the last all in for Melo play we will make. Then it'll be about building around KP. I'm goof with it. If it doesn't work we have draft picks in 2017, 2018, 2019. If Phil had traded future picks, I'd be livid. But he has kept the future intact.

I think Jerian can be a solid NBA player, but he isn't going to be a special one who moves the needle. He's almost 24. Rose won an MVP at age 22.

You lost me at the bolded part. Tis the last all in type mive we do for Melo, till we do the same **** again next year. Its It's called kicking the can down the road. We spent one total offseason trying to build the team the right way. Then we switched right back to starfukking. Apparently building a team that barely makes the playoffs is more important than investing in the future for KP. Exactly the type if short term thinking that we had for the last twenty years.

How does this stop the Knicks from investing in the future? KP will be able to play with and learn from quality vets. Also we haven't completely given up on adding youth. There are still young players coming in and being developed in the D League. All the fear mongering is simply not a good enough reason not to try to improve the team. Also trying to make this out to be somehow detrimental to KP's development is a sorry argument. Lastly you don't know if this team will be top 4 or bottom 4 in the playoff hunt this year. You're choosing to characterize the team's chances as bottom 4 to suit your bias against this approach.

I think I have already explained how in 5 different threads. A 4 year contract for Noah is going to hamstring our flexibility. Rose comes off the book and that would give us what 30MM? How many other teams would have that or more next year with better active players than Noah and Melo? Even if we have great season we will either have Rose and no cap space or we will have cap space and team with question marks where we won't get a top tier free agent. Having our draft pick is great, but we need foundational players that don't have bad attitudes or recent injury histories. And we spent our entire offseason doing the opposite. And please quit with language like "fearmongering" and similar BS.

You have to be kidding me with worrying about the 4th year of Noah's contract. That my friend is years down the line. How about we put that one on the shelf for now?

We can't say what cap space we'll have next summer at this point. Who knows what Phil might do at the Deadline or next summer. Again let's shelf that for now.

We can't say where we'll draft next year either, so once again we need to shelf that conversation for now.

This is why I brought up fearmongering. That's pretty much the bulk of the arguments against Phil's moves. Then you get to the more immediately relevant argument about health for Rose, Melo and Noah. The concern is valid but it's not a guarantee that things will go catastrophically bad.

Ok I got it. Let's shelve any kind of thinking about the future and let's just focus on the short term. And if you don't follow along with this brilliant plan you will be accused of fear mongering. I am with you now.

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

franco12 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:This is potentially the best Knicks lineup since Sprewell/Houston/Camby/LJ. I know it probably won't be long lived. But long lived is hard in the NBA. Warriors just lost Harrison Barnes. OKC lost Ibaka and Harden over the years.

I get that people want to build through the draft... I do too. But sometimes it makes more sense to go for it. The chance to get DRose and Noah with something to prove for very little risk? It's worth it. If you don't see now, you'll see next May when the Knicks are actually playing meaningful basketball for once.

The risk with Rose is if Grant turns into a keeper.

Noah on the other hand is signed for 4 years and not small money. What happens if he is declining and not producing and not playing because he's hurt?

Noah is one of my all time favorite basketball players. He's a guy you take a risk on imho. It could blow up, but I predict we get one season of truly great ball from he and Rose. This season is gonna be about Rose and Noah proving they still have something left. I think we will get to at least the second round, maybe ECF. Maybe even further. You never know. It's a risky move, but it jibes with where Melo is at. This is the last all in for Melo play we will make. Then it'll be about building around KP. I'm goof with it. If it doesn't work we have draft picks in 2017, 2018, 2019. If Phil had traded future picks, I'd be livid. But he has kept the future intact.

I think Jerian can be a solid NBA player, but he isn't going to be a special one who moves the needle. He's almost 24. Rose won an MVP at age 22.

You lost me at the bolded part. Tis the last all in type mive we do for Melo, till we do the same **** again next year. Its It's called kicking the can down the road. We spent one total offseason trying to build the team the right way. Then we switched right back to starfukking. Apparently building a team that barely makes the playoffs is more important than investing in the future for KP. Exactly the type if short term thinking that we had for the last twenty years.

How does this stop the Knicks from investing in the future? KP will be able to play with and learn from quality vets. Also we haven't completely given up on adding youth. There are still young players coming in and being developed in the D League. All the fear mongering is simply not a good enough reason not to try to improve the team. Also trying to make this out to be somehow detrimental to KP's development is a sorry argument. Lastly you don't know if this team will be top 4 or bottom 4 in the playoff hunt this year. You're choosing to characterize the team's chances as bottom 4 to suit your bias against this approach.

I think I have already explained how in 5 different threads. A 4 year contract for Noah is going to hamstring our flexibility. Rose comes off the book and that would give us what 30MM? How many other teams would have that or more next year with better active players than Noah and Melo? Even if we have great season we will either have Rose and no cap space or we will have cap space and team with question marks where we won't get a top tier free agent. Having our draft pick is great, but we need foundational players that don't have bad attitudes or recent injury histories. And we spent our entire offseason doing the opposite. And please quit with language like "fearmongering" and similar BS.

meloshouldgo wrote:If there are no foundational players available then there's no need to target overrated injured players because of some possibility that they will magically regain their form from 6 years ago. We already had s perfectly good center on a reasonable deal. I didn't want to be in a situation to starfukk for a center to start with.

Giving up good healthy players on reasonable contracts for injured players with declining skills is never going to build anything.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Curry to Noah comps immediately disqualies whomever uttered it as having any credibility.

Before imposing your wisdom on the rest of us less fortunate people, at least attempt to understand what was written.

I did and do.

ekstarks94 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Curry to Noah comps immediately disqualies whomever uttered it as having any credibility.

Before imposing your wisdom on the rest of us less fortunate people, at least attempt to understand what was written.

I did and do.

Trolling at its finest

Yup, because invoking the name Eddy Curry on a Knicks message board in comparison to a new acquisition wasn't done to incite a reaction.

Knickoftime wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Curry to Noah comps immediately disqualies whomever uttered it as having any credibility.

Before imposing your wisdom on the rest of us less fortunate people, at least attempt to understand what was written.

I did and do.

Trolling at its finest

Yup, because invoking the name Eddy Curry on a Knicks message board in comparison to a new acquisition wasn't done to incite a reaction.

LOL - you are a conspiracy theorist to boot. Figures