ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

There are triple the teams who have failed miserably at tanking. We got our franchise player in the draft. Sitting around waiting for lightning to strike twice is a failure waiting to happen. Porzingis needs to learn from vets and make the playoffs as quickly as possible to maximize his development. Putting him in a losing situation year after year until we get lucky is a recipe for disaster, i'm sorry.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

Not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what I should reasonably expect.

I have NO expectation the Knicks will tank. Nobody should.

And this is the point of the conversation critics like yourself bail out CB, because there is no place for you to go. You and I both KNOW it isn't happening. Whether it's a reasonable desire doesn't change the fact its a futile desire.

So you spend the majority of your time complaining about something you KNOW is never going to happen. Your indefinite dissatisfaction is predetermined and guaranteed.

Right?

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

Not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what I should reasonably expect.

I have NO expectation the Knicks will tank. Nobody should.

And this is the point of the conversation critics like yourself bail out CB, because there is no place for you to go. You and I both KNOW it isn't happening. Whether it's a reasonable desire doesn't change the fact its a futile desire.

So you spend the majority of your time complaining about something you KNOW is never going to happen. Your indefinite dissatisfaction is predetermined and guaranteed.

Right?

So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it.

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

Not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what I should reasonably expect.

I have NO expectation the Knicks will tank. Nobody should.

And this is the point of the conversation critics like yourself bail out CB, because there is no place for you to go. You and I both KNOW it isn't happening. Whether it's a reasonable desire doesn't change the fact its a futile desire.

So you spend the majority of your time complaining about something you KNOW is never going to happen. Your indefinite dissatisfaction is predetermined and guaranteed.

Right?

So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it.

See, this is where they always bail out, because you can't answer a fair, straightforward question without acknowledging what you're afraid to.

You're hear solely to complain, constantly, and on purpose.

Which is a f---ed up, if one is even a little bit self-aware.

Uhm, so you're just supposed to be happy with these moves I take it, even at the detriment of the franchise?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

There are triple the teams who have failed miserably at tanking. We got our franchise player in the draft. Sitting around waiting for lightning to strike twice is a failure waiting to happen. Porzingis needs to learn from vets and make the playoffs as quickly as possible to maximize his development. Putting him in a losing situation year after year until we get lucky is a recipe for disaster, i'm sorry.

How come? Why the rush? KP only 20 years old.

You know Kevin Durant didn't even come close to the playoffs until year 3 right?

jeff Van Gundy said the most overlooked part of developing a young potential star is to put him in in meaningful games if possible (he was referring to playoffs) and surround him with vets. Don't put too much pressure on him too early. I tend to agree with him. Tanking would be doing the opposite. It worked out well for some players of course. But if you have the ability to put a playoff team on the floor, you should take that chance. San Antonio had Robinson coming back from injury. I'm sure Duncan will say it did wonders for him having him his first few seasons. Tanking is good if you are starting from scratch. We have the player you tank for. Time to build a team of vets around him. You can always pick up players who fit closer to his timeline as you go, as long as you don't deal draft picks and can be resourceful.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

There are triple the teams who have failed miserably at tanking. We got our franchise player in the draft. Sitting around waiting for lightning to strike twice is a failure waiting to happen. Porzingis needs to learn from vets and make the playoffs as quickly as possible to maximize his development. Putting him in a losing situation year after year until we get lucky is a recipe for disaster, i'm sorry.

How come? Why the rush? KP only 20 years old.

You know Kevin Durant didn't even come close to the playoffs until year 3 right?

jeff Van Gundy said the most overlooked part of developing a young potential star is to put him in in meaningful games if possible (he was referring to playoffs) and surround him with vets. Don't put too much pressure on him too early. I tend to agree with him. Tanking would be doing the opposite. It worked out well for some players of course. But if you have the ability to put a playoff team on the floor, you should take that chance. San Antonio had Robinson coming back from injury. I'm sure Duncan will say it did wonders for him having him his first few seasons. Tanking is good if you are starting from scratch. We have the player you tank for. Time to build a team of vets around him. You can always pick up players who fit closer to his timeline as you go, as long as you don't deal draft picks and can be resourceful.

Same with Dirk Nowitzki, didn't make the playoffs until year 3.

Steph Curry didn't make the playoffs until year 4.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

There are triple the teams who have failed miserably at tanking. We got our franchise player in the draft. Sitting around waiting for lightning to strike twice is a failure waiting to happen. Porzingis needs to learn from vets and make the playoffs as quickly as possible to maximize his development. Putting him in a losing situation year after year until we get lucky is a recipe for disaster, i'm sorry.

How come? Why the rush? KP only 20 years old.

You know Kevin Durant didn't even come close to the playoffs until year 3 right?

jeff Van Gundy said the most overlooked part of developing a young potential star is to put him in in meaningful games if possible (he was referring to playoffs) and surround him with vets. Don't put too much pressure on him too early. I tend to agree with him. Tanking would be doing the opposite. It worked out well for some players of course. But if you have the ability to put a playoff team on the floor, you should take that chance. San Antonio had Robinson coming back from injury. I'm sure Duncan will say it did wonders for him having him his first few seasons. Tanking is good if you are starting from scratch. We have the player you tank for. Time to build a team of vets around him. You can always pick up players who fit closer to his timeline as you go, as long as you don't deal draft picks and can be resourceful.

Same with Dirk Nowitzki, didn't make the playoffs until year 3.

Steph Curry didn't make the playoffs until year 4.

Duncan won in his rookie season. He will tell you how valuable having Robinson was. You mentioned San Antonio has an example of how to build. They drafted Duncan, had vets around him, and the rest of their younger core they added later in the draft and being resourceful. We already have our franchise player. I would prefer to build like San Antonio than tanking. Take the luck we got just like them, but don't force it. Continue to build.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

There are triple the teams who have failed miserably at tanking. We got our franchise player in the draft. Sitting around waiting for lightning to strike twice is a failure waiting to happen. Porzingis needs to learn from vets and make the playoffs as quickly as possible to maximize his development. Putting him in a losing situation year after year until we get lucky is a recipe for disaster, i'm sorry.

How come? Why the rush? KP only 20 years old.

You know Kevin Durant didn't even come close to the playoffs until year 3 right?

jeff Van Gundy said the most overlooked part of developing a young potential star is to put him in in meaningful games if possible (he was referring to playoffs) and surround him with vets. Don't put too much pressure on him too early. I tend to agree with him. Tanking would be doing the opposite. It worked out well for some players of course. But if you have the ability to put a playoff team on the floor, you should take that chance. San Antonio had Robinson coming back from injury. I'm sure Duncan will say it did wonders for him having him his first few seasons. Tanking is good if you are starting from scratch. We have the player you tank for. Time to build a team of vets around him. You can always pick up players who fit closer to his timeline as you go, as long as you don't deal draft picks and can be resourceful.

Same with Dirk Nowitzki, didn't make the playoffs until year 3.

Steph Curry didn't make the playoffs until year 4.

Duncan won in his rookie season. He will tell you how valuable having Robinson was. You mentioned San Antonio has an example of how to build. They drafted Duncan, had vets around him, and the rest of their younger core they added later in the draft and being resourceful. We already have our franchise player. I would prefer to build like San Antonio than tanking. Take the luck we got just like them, but don't force it. Continue to build.

who is our david robinson and who is our tim duncan? Are you insinuating that KP is out tim duncan? Rookie Duncan was 100x the player that KP was as a rookie.

We don't have a tim duncan and we don't have a david robinson.

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fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

There are triple the teams who have failed miserably at tanking. We got our franchise player in the draft. Sitting around waiting for lightning to strike twice is a failure waiting to happen. Porzingis needs to learn from vets and make the playoffs as quickly as possible to maximize his development. Putting him in a losing situation year after year until we get lucky is a recipe for disaster, i'm sorry.

How come? Why the rush? KP only 20 years old.

You know Kevin Durant didn't even come close to the playoffs until year 3 right?

jeff Van Gundy said the most overlooked part of developing a young potential star is to put him in in meaningful games if possible (he was referring to playoffs) and surround him with vets. Don't put too much pressure on him too early. I tend to agree with him. Tanking would be doing the opposite. It worked out well for some players of course. But if you have the ability to put a playoff team on the floor, you should take that chance. San Antonio had Robinson coming back from injury. I'm sure Duncan will say it did wonders for him having him his first few seasons. Tanking is good if you are starting from scratch. We have the player you tank for. Time to build a team of vets around him. You can always pick up players who fit closer to his timeline as you go, as long as you don't deal draft picks and can be resourceful.

Same with Dirk Nowitzki, didn't make the playoffs until year 3.

Steph Curry didn't make the playoffs until year 4.

Duncan won in his rookie season. He will tell you how valuable having Robinson was. You mentioned San Antonio has an example of how to build. They drafted Duncan, had vets around him, and the rest of their younger core they added later in the draft and being resourceful. We already have our franchise player. I would prefer to build like San Antonio than tanking. Take the luck we got just like them, but don't force it. Continue to build.

who is our david robinson and who is our tim duncan? Are you insinuating that KP is out tim duncan? Rookie Duncan was 100x the player that KP was as a rookie.

We don't have a tim duncan and we don't have a david robinson.

ChuckBuck wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

Not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what I should reasonably expect.

I have NO expectation the Knicks will tank. Nobody should.

And this is the point of the conversation critics like yourself bail out CB, because there is no place for you to go. You and I both KNOW it isn't happening. Whether it's a reasonable desire doesn't change the fact its a futile desire.

So you spend the majority of your time complaining about something you KNOW is never going to happen. Your indefinite dissatisfaction is predetermined and guaranteed.

Right?

So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it.

See, this is where they always bail out, because you can't answer a fair, straightforward question without acknowledging what you're afraid to.

You're hear solely to complain, constantly, and on purpose.

Which is a f---ed up, if one is even a little bit self-aware.

Uhm, so you're just supposed to be happy with these moves I take it, even at the detriment of the franchise?

You still won't answer the fair, simple question.

And no, if you don't like the food at a restaurant for years at a time, you're just suppose to find a new restaurant.

Sports fandom is the ONLY pursuit in the world where people purposely subjecting themselves to misery and frustration somehow makes perfect sense.

And if you "can't" ... if you think yourself weak-minded and consider it an addiction and not a choice, you're supposed to at least shut the hell up about it and stop whining all day every day.

ChuckBuck wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/7/1/12077602/woj-actually-eric-gordon-is-the-knicks-top-backcourt-target-now

With the assist. Honestly rather have Courtney Lee, and he sucks as well.

Fair enough.

Who doesn't suck?

Yeah....who's available that doesn't suck?

Honestly, this whole 2016 free agency class sucks balls except for the very top. Rather piecemeal this year with cheap flexible contract scraps like Randy Foye or Gerald Henderson or Gerald Green and players of this caliber than get stuck with "name" players like Noah and Gordon who will both be in a 3 piece suit half the time for multiple years.

Should've had eyes down the road for 2017 instead of this suck ass class.

Look at the 2017 list of SGs. Who are you holding out for? There's no one realistic. This is the year to get a SG. Getting a cheap SG this year is not a good course of action.

Who said anything about SGs? We're going to be on the market for a point guard, Rose is a 1 year rental. We can at worst make a push for Melo's buddy CP3 or Kyle Lowry, at best Westbrook if he wants to open a Nike wierdo boutique on Madison Ave.

There are several 2s and 3s to be had in the loaded 2017 draft class.

Okay, Westbrook or Paul or Lowry and a #3 with the 2017 draft pick. Can still do that.

What's the problem?

You'll be picking in the bottom half of the draft instead of the lottery 1-14. If you're okay with just another benchwarmer rookie, hey each fan is different!

Also huge difference in landing just 1 max versus 2 max superstars. Knicks could've done that, but hey YAY NOAH AND GORDON!!!

oh, so you wanted to tank this year?

Ehh, I guess you haven't been around here the last few months.

I have not.

I'd argue being a Knicks fan who wants to tank is somewhat akin to going to the Olive Garden and consistently asking for the Egg Foo Yung and complaining when the chef won't make it.

At what point does an adult comprehend you're never going to get what you want and adjust to what's actually on the menu or stop going to the Olive Garden?

So I'm guessing you don't want to emulate the San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, OKC Thunder build from the ground up blueprint?

You know if Popovich doesn't intentionally tank, he doesn't end up with Tim Duncan, and he's ringless and unemployed today. GS self explanatory, Cleveland Kyrie #1 pick hits Finals game winner, Tristan Thompson #4 pick does Rodman impersonation. OKC also self explanatory.

Not a matter of what I want. It's a matter of what I should reasonably expect.

I have NO expectation the Knicks will tank. Nobody should.

And this is the point of the conversation critics like yourself bail out CB, because there is no place for you to go. You and I both KNOW it isn't happening. Whether it's a reasonable desire doesn't change the fact its a futile desire.

So you spend the majority of your time complaining about something you KNOW is never going to happen. Your indefinite dissatisfaction is predetermined and guaranteed.

Right?

So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it.

See, this is where they always bail out, because you can't answer a fair, straightforward question without acknowledging what you're afraid to.

You're hear solely to complain, constantly, and on purpose.

Which is a f---ed up, if one is even a little bit self-aware.

Uhm, so you're just supposed to be happy with these moves I take it, even at the detriment of the franchise?

You still won't answer the fair, simple question.

And no, if you don't like the food at a restaurant for years at a time, you're just suppose to find a new restaurant.

Sports fandom is the ONLY pursuit in the world where people purposely subjecting themselves to misery and frustration somehow makes perfect sense.

And if you "can't" ... if you think yourself weak-minded and consider it an addiction and not a choice, you're supposed to at least shut the hell up about it and stop whining all day every day.

Stop trying to tell people how to be a fan. It's like your High Sparrow and telling everyone how to live your life.

Don't make me blow you up with wildfyre Cersei style.

You spend all day trying to tell people they're stupid for being optimistic and enjoying the Knicks.

"So I guess you're saying you're a Starphuck academy supporter. Got it."

Hypocrisy is not a good look.