crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:An even sadder thing for our SL team...Hernangomez will be with the Spanish Olympic team-I read that he would not be in Orlando.

Jesus...Why???

I mean what's going on here? We make this move for Derrick Rose, then completely take our foot off the gas pedal.

You're genuinely asking why he's going to spend the summer representing his country on one of the best teams in the world, to play in the Olympics against the best teams in the world, rather than play 5 games against D-minus League teams in a gym in Orlando?

hahaha. exactly.

playing in the Olympics will be a great experience for him. Summer league is a joke - particularly for big men.

And not just in the Olympics.. I assume they'll be a warm-up tournament too.

He'll play in a lot more games against much better competition, not to mention a competition that not only actually means something, but means a lot.

I get people want to see new toys in SL, but to argue this is a negative for the Knicks or the player is really completely off the reservation.

Andrew wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:An even sadder thing for our SL team...Hernangomez will be with the Spanish Olympic team-I read that he would not be in Orlando.

Jesus...Why???

I mean what's going on here? We make this move for Derrick Rose, then completely take our foot off the gas pedal.

Really? Cmon man....stop complaining just to complain and think about it. Training for Olympics vs Orlando Summer league. Yeah the Knicks are dropping the ball by not forcing him to come play in the Summer League.

I don't complain just to complain, man, gimmie a break. Seems like a little complacency is setting in now after the Rose trade. I hope that's not the case...I wanted to see Willy here with the team this summer. I understand there's a lot to it though and that playing for his country in the Olympics is a great honor--I'll get over it. We do need him in here eventually though. Rumor has it that we offered him a contract and I don't think he's accepted yet. Hopefully Phil isn't lowballing or Willy's not unrealistically holding out for too much money--either would annoy me... What gets me more is not getting one of the PGs I had targeted for us late in this draft. They were all available. If you don't feel the same way, fine, but this is how I feel. What do you want me to tell ya? I think Cat Barber could wind up being the 2nd best PG in this draft class, with an outside shot of being even better than Kris Dunn. That's how high I am on him. Time will tell.

Finestrg wrote:Seems like a little complacency is setting in now after the Rose trade.

You mean since Wednesday afternoon?

You think complacency has set in over the last 48 hours?

Finestrg wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:An even sadder thing for our SL team...Hernangomez will be with the Spanish Olympic team-I read that he would not be in Orlando.

Jesus...Why???

I mean what's going on here? We make this move for Derrick Rose, then completely take our foot off the gas pedal.

You're genuinely asking why he's going to spend the summer representing his country on one of the best teams in the world, to play in the Olympics against the best teams in the world, rather than play 5 games against D-minus League teams in a gym in Orlando?

hahaha. exactly.

playing in the Olympics will be a great experience for him. Summer league is a joke - particularly for big men.

And not just in the Olympics.. I assume they'll be a warm-up tournament too.

He'll play in a lot more games against much better competition, not to mention a competition that not only actually means something, but means a lot.

I get people want to see new toys in SL, but to argue this is a negative for the Knicks or the player is really completely off the reservation.

Alright, easy. Point taken. Not happy at all about not adding any depth from this draft though, and then not acting aggressively with the better UDFAs after the draft concluded..

Finestrg...just trust me man,you can write a million words (ever think of starting a blog?) but your putting in way more energy than the knicks are regarding young players in the draft or FA. just trust me (theyre still trying to appease melo and the inpatient fans by bringing in big names)

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Seems like a little complacency is setting in now after the Rose trade.

You mean since Wednesday afternoon?

You think complacency has set in over the last 48 hours?

The draft came and went and even though we didn't have a pick, I full expected we were going to get aggressive and buy a pick. That's what we were told leading up to last night. They even invited the press to the draft which indicated to a lot of us that they were going to grab a 2nd rounder at a minimum. These picks were available -- pick 38 went to GS for $2.4mm. Pick 54 went to the Cavs for the same amount of money, $2.4mm. Hard to accept the two best teams in the league being more aggressive than my ****ty team. What makes it worse is that some really good players fell all the way through, players we could've used for depth, and then we apparently had no interest in even signing any of them to a SL deal. The Willy thing, I overreacted, I'll give you that. The draft inactivity pisses me off though.

Knickoftime wrote:As to the draft, people fall for this every year. Every year the draft teaches us definitively a small fraction of players are actually NBA ready and/or capable and every year fans think the draft is overflowing with NBA talent ready to be picked from the 2nd round tree.

Second round successes happen, yes. But they are rare... VERY rare. Mid to late 1st round successes are relatively rare.

Find me a hardcore NCAA/NBA fan claims they have a good track record of picking late and 2nd round successes and I'll show you a liar.

love these quotes!

callmened wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:An even sadder thing for our SL team...Hernangomez will be with the Spanish Olympic team-I read that he would not be in Orlando.

Jesus...Why???

I mean what's going on here? We make this move for Derrick Rose, then completely take our foot off the gas pedal.

You're genuinely asking why he's going to spend the summer representing his country on one of the best teams in the world, to play in the Olympics against the best teams in the world, rather than play 5 games against D-minus League teams in a gym in Orlando?

hahaha. exactly.

playing in the Olympics will be a great experience for him. Summer league is a joke - particularly for big men.

And not just in the Olympics.. I assume they'll be a warm-up tournament too.

He'll play in a lot more games against much better competition, not to mention a competition that not only actually means something, but means a lot.

I get people want to see new toys in SL, but to argue this is a negative for the Knicks or the player is really completely off the reservation.

Alright, easy. Point taken. Not happy at all about not adding any depth from this draft though, and then not acting aggressively with the better UDFAs after the draft concluded..

Finestrg...just trust me man,you can write a million words (ever think of starting a blog?) but your putting in way more energy than the knicks are regarding young players in the draft or FA. just trust me (theyre still trying to appease melo and the inpatient fans by bringing in big names)

Well, I've been outspoken about being opposed to both strategies for what that's worth. Not looking to appease Melo or the fans that don't get it.

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

callmened wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:As to the draft, people fall for this every year. Every year the draft teaches us definitively a small fraction of players are actually NBA ready and/or capable and every year fans think the draft is overflowing with NBA talent ready to be picked from the 2nd round tree.

Second round successes happen, yes. But they are rare... VERY rare. Mid to late 1st round successes are relatively rare.

Find me a hardcore NCAA/NBA fan claims they have a good track record of picking late and 2nd round successes and I'll show you a liar.

love these quotes!

2nd round successes are 'VERY rare'?? Talk about being 'empirically false.' Wow.

I'm game.

Make your argument. We can all name 2nd round successes. Draymond Green. There. We agree.

The question is what historical percentage of 2nd rounders make an impact?

Because that's what "rare" means.

It's a relative term.

It's a chance you take when you're in the position we're in. End of story. For a little over $2mm of Dolan's money or better yet, a mere SL contract, I would've liked my team to show a little more aggression here to add some good young talent from this draft class, esp. when taking into account this depleted-looking roster headlined by a new PG with huge injury concerns. You wanna argue that as a Knick fan, no problem. It's a message board and you're entitled to your opinion even though I have no idea how you argue the chance to add cheap young talent with promise with a straight face...And you seem to already know the 'historical percentage,' btw right? Why don't you enlighten us. To me, I don't care if your research comes up with a list you can count on one hand (and we already know it's more than that btw) -- still would've been worth the minimal risk involved for us imo.

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Seems like a little complacency is setting in now after the Rose trade.

You mean since Wednesday afternoon?

You think complacency has set in over the last 48 hours?

The draft came and went and even though we didn't have a pick, I full expected we were going to get aggressive and buy a pick.

I'm not attempting nor would I be inclined to argue you didn't have personal expectations. The question at hand is the relevancy of those personal expectations.

These picks were available -- pick 38 went to GS for $2.4mm. Pick 54 went to the Cavs for the same amount of money, $2.4mm. Hard to accept the two best teams in the league being more aggressive than my ****ty team.

Maybe the Knicks organization simply disagree with you regarding the value or utility of players available?

This is what's become of every community on every topic in the world. Someone simply disagrees with you and some wrong is being committed.

Maybe they just disagreed with you. Maybe Baker is who they wanted. Maybe they've called players and offered them SL deals and the players chose other teams. As you say, your team is "****ty". Perhaps the Knicks are every undrafted player's first and only choice.

You don't need to get angry or pissed off every time the exact thing you wanted to happen doesn't happen.

You can disagree with me all you want, buddy. The fact that you said 'I'm off the reservation' along with your snide way of talking to me is where this went off the rails quickly and what I took umbrage with. You talk like that to me, I don't care who the F you are, count on a response. That's the wrong that was committed. Just no need for that but that's OK.. I don't talk like that to anyone on here. And then you look to carry on an argument just to argue...I've been down this road before with you--I know how you operate.

Finestrg wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:An even sadder thing for our SL team...Hernangomez will be with the Spanish Olympic team-I read that he would not be in Orlando.

Jesus...Why???

I mean what's going on here? We make this move for Derrick Rose, then completely take our foot off the gas pedal.

You're genuinely asking why he's going to spend the summer representing his country on one of the best teams in the world, to play in the Olympics against the best teams in the world, rather than play 5 games against D-minus League teams in a gym in Orlando?

hahaha. exactly.

playing in the Olympics will be a great experience for him. Summer league is a joke - particularly for big men.

And not just in the Olympics.. I assume they'll be a warm-up tournament too.

He'll play in a lot more games against much better competition, not to mention a competition that not only actually means something, but means a lot.

I get people want to see new toys in SL, but to argue this is a negative for the Knicks or the player is really completely off the reservation.

Alright, easy. Point taken. Not happy at all about not adding any depth from this draft though, and then not acting aggressively with the better UDFAs after the draft concluded..

How do you know that they weren't aggressive with the UDFA's though?? You know these kids get to choose where they want to play and what offer is the best for them? I'm sure we all would of loved to see Phil buy a pick or two just to show us that he's hitting the phones and making moves to get this team better but you have to remember how weak of a draft this was and most of these kids will never even be on a NBA team.

Finestrg wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

callmened wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:As to the draft, people fall for this every year. Every year the draft teaches us definitively a small fraction of players are actually NBA ready and/or capable and every year fans think the draft is overflowing with NBA talent ready to be picked from the 2nd round tree.

Second round successes happen, yes. But they are rare... VERY rare. Mid to late 1st round successes are relatively rare.

Find me a hardcore NCAA/NBA fan claims they have a good track record of picking late and 2nd round successes and I'll show you a liar.

love these quotes!

2nd round successes are 'VERY rare'?? Talk about being 'empirically false.' Wow.

I'm game.

Make your argument. We can all name 2nd round successes. Draymond Green. There. We agree.

The question is what historical percentage of 2nd rounders make an impact?

Because that's what "rare" means.

It's a relative term.

It's a chance you take when you're in the position we're in. End of story. For a little over $2mm of Dolan's money or better yet, a mere SL contract, I would've liked my team to show a little more aggression here to add some good young talent from this draft class, esp. when taking into account this depleted-looking roster headlined by a new PG with huge injury concerns. You wanna argue that as a Knick fan, no problem. It's a message board and you're entitled to your opinion even though I have no idea how you argue the chance to add cheap young talent with promise with a straight face...And you seem to already know the 'historical percentage,' btw right? Why don't you enlighten us. To me, I don't care if your research comes up with a list you can count on one hand (and we already know it's more than that btw) -- still would've been worth the minimal risk involved for us imo.

Rose is here for one year so you think we should have a 2nd round rookie playing as his backup or maybe we should look to free agency to fill that spot twice over?