NardDogNation wrote:

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I remember being told to "chill" when I (among others) said that Fisher was a bad hire. Heard the same thing about Rambis "he's fine". Heard the same thing when I said that Phil needed to be more hands on, regardless of what his rookie coach wanted.

Phil admitted he stayed too far away, he admitted by hiring Hornacek, that Rambis was not "fine".

You guys need to chill, some of us have been more right about Phil's moves than you have.

+sixtillion

so is Jeff a bad hire now? Thats my question to you.. He's got roster input. This doesnt happen if he says no, I want Rolo and Grant. He said yes... get me Rose. So if reneg on the Jeff hire? Sour on it now?

I liked the hire but I hate this move ... unless I'm missing something. See? It does not have to be the party line all the time. You can like a move if you think it is a good one and not like one etc ...

You still have not made any sense of this move and neither have I.

if there is a point to chill the phuck out you just wrote it. Neither of us can because we dont have their info!

This has nothing to do with the party line.. Im not nix. I mean the first move with the new coach's input is an epic failure, which by the way I find it interesting that only Knick fans feel that way. I dont like the trade myself, not one bit but I have no clue what the big picture or plan or long term plan is.

When u play chess.....u think several moves ahead. But if u only play checkers.....then its hard to see past the one move. Phil seems to be a chess player....and I wasn't a phil fan. But I'm starting to come around.

Initially this move stinks......just like sacrificing your queen looks bad at first....until you get a checkmate 3 moves later.

Before the trade my sources said Rose is one piece to a line of additional moves to follow, which should make us major players in the east. What happens if Rose balls out and excepts a pay cut next year to allow other stars to follow.

This went from a so so move.....to a win....win...move.

But what happens when reality sets back in and the player that missed 40% of his games over the past 4 seasons continues that trend? Because that is the more probable outcome of this. And even if he doesn't, he was HORRIBLE this past season...which is exactly why the Bulls moved their former MVP and hometown kid. If this is chess, we've been losing badly.

If u think its a bad trade, that's fine with me. I don't come on this site to change peoples opinion. I'm just here to spread the cheers...And enjoy my time as a knick fan....Rose has one chance to play into a max contract under the Broadway lights. This isn't some scrub. This is a former MVP franchise player, with NBA credibility amongst his peers. He's a likable person that others respect and like to be around. He's a floor general with more skills and experience than any guard on the roster. I'm very excited about the present and even more excited about the future.

If u don't like the trade, more power to you. That's not going to stop me from smiling ear to ear. We have a system....a coach....and two franchise players on one team. Time to purchase a few tickets as early as possible.

Bottom line is we traded Robin Lopez for a kid was the MVP of the league at age 22! This is a surly personality who has been accused of passing on his ex live in baby momma to be raped by his friends. Not a fan of this kid when you read stuff like this. If any of you have daughters, this kind of stuff is repulsive. I think this is mostly a civil suite and one has to think this could be an ugly public relations event.

But this is Phil Jax, not the Isiah sleaze club fueled by an impatient Dolan. I would hope there has been proper due diligence about Derrick Rose's health and potential liability regarding this ugly rape case.

Its a bold move. Rose need not be his former self for this move to be a very good one. In fact, it makes a compelling case for any elite free agent to now look at the knicks a bit closer. Makes guys like Mark West, and others at the end of their run look at knicks a bit closer.

A run in NY is a good thing.

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:All you guys have done is gotten your dresses... but the prom isn't until tomorrow night.

The Rose trade is a big move. I really liked Grant and figured he would take a big step forward under Jeff. A little perspective though, Phil was open and honest that Jeff would have roster input. So Rose isn't coming in here if Jeff doesn't want him. Calling the "anyone but Rambis crowd..." still feeling that Jeff glee knowing that Derrick Rose is a guy he wants to start his Knick coaching career?

Do tell...

So happy humpday to everyone! So glad the work day is over. Cheers to all the Knick fans out there (except TFK.. phuck him). I just grabbed my 2nd Hoegaarden. Damn these are good. In any case being that today is Wednesday, guess what tomorrow is? Bang! (in my best Mike Breen voice). The NBA draft on THURSDAY. Man... all eyes point the Knicks! The team with no picks hosting media! Maybe its just so Phil can say "I hope you enjoyed the complimentary hot dogs" after the Knick do nothing But darn it if the Knicks arent going to buy a couple #2s right?

Remember this? Traded by the Seattle SuperSonics with Glen Davis to the Boston Celtics for Jeff Green, Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and a 2008 2nd round draft pick (Trent Plaisted was later selected). (Ray Allen to Celtics trade for the stoners)

Everyone was like AINGE IS THE BIGGEST IDIOT EVER!!!!!!!!!!! In sky writing and spray paint! A bunch of good young players for a 32 year old SG, when you already have Paul Pierce and the team stinks anyway! God he was stupid! Then there was this follow up move and they won a... never mind. Perception changed. Quickly.

Hey! Tomorrow is the draft!

Knicks have $30+ mill in cap space. There will be at least one prospect joining in Willy. JRUe's brother has a chance to stick. Phil is expected to be involved in something tomorrow night, whether it involves trades or buying picks or whatever.

Oh.. and at some point Jeff gave his stamp of approval on this trade and this player... just a little perspective. Actually... on that... if perspective is your thing check this out (grab yourself a tasty beverage and have a read) http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1455663

Happy humpday again peeps. For those of you in the financial world best of luck with your Brexit strategies

Ray Allen was an iron-horse and rarely missed games. You knew he'd decline but that it'd be gradual and predictable because of his conditioning and health. The Celtics certainly paid a higher premium for him than we did Rose but they were simultaneously working on luring KG to Boston as well. And given the robust assets they had (and have always seemed to have), KG was feasible.

But let's be real, Rose is currently not the talent Allen was and there is no KG for us to trade for. I get you're trying to be optimistic but I simply don't see the parrallel's. Sorry for ****ting on your hope though, lol.

It has nothing to do with being optimistic. Were you not in favor of hiring as Jeff as coach? I believe you were.. so knowing that and he's got roster input are done with him?

And context.... you have no context yet. When FA is over and we know the roster then you can get a whole picture.. and lets be fair, last time you blasted Phil for a big move you were pretty much on full tilt and that worked out ok for you.

But you chose to focus on a small point.. and that point wasnt even the Ray Allen trade, rather the reaction, but you are right. There are not KGs or any other good players and we are doomed and Rose proves that. Fair?

You have no context either yet you seem more than willing to endorse the trade. You seem to be of the opinion that this deal's value is in the cap flexibility it opens up next season. The problem is that we already had cap flexibility-$30 million in cap space- this season and then some more next when the cap increases by $10 million.

What we don't have are actual assets i.e. things other teams want. And what little we did have, we gave away on a ****ing bum. To make matters worse is the fact that if we needed more cap space come 2017, there would've been a phletora of teams that would have simply absorbed Robin Lopez and Grant. So what was the rush in moving those guys?

But I guess being wrong once on a Phil Jackson move is enough to make these concerns unfounded.