crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:IF.......
One year rental? Which of you orthopedic specialists have a good handle on his injuries?
IF.......
He has a good year, is it because Horny is better than Hoiberg as a coach? Triangle Zen? Having Melo on the wing? A Latvian god?
Will he look for money or look to continue a good thing in NY if he succeeds in NY?

Lopez is a very good journeyman Center. Not happy he is gone, but this trade has huge upside, and rose really need not be crazy good for it to be a huge success. Its a bold move. There are risks.

But he does have to be better than he's been in any year since 2011. That's going back half a decade.

If it works, we probably make the playoffs and maybe make a run in the weak east.

If it doesn't work, we probably miss the playoffs and get a lotto pick in 2017.

It's not a terrible gamble. If we had gambled our 2017 pick or 2018 pick, I'd be livid.

I think one thing we saw last year was that teams figured out how to play against Rolo and KP and they went small against them. I don't think that was a front court pairing we could use going forward. We got rid of the dead weight of Calderon this year and the questionable fit of Rolo for a PG who may be a very good fit with Melo and KP - it's all about fit.

I get why people are upset, but it's a pretty straight forward gamble. Impossible to judge the overall off-season until we see the next moves.

The one big question mark I have about all this is waiving Tony Wroten. That is sort of mystifying to me - and we didn't need to do it to facilitate the trade since we sent out more players than we got back and had cap room. Just odd to me.

The Wroten thing to me suggests that the Knicks have intentions to add some guards from this draft class. Otherwise why give up on Tony so early. Hornacek seems to have a very high criteria for his young guards. My guess is shooting is the main sticking point with guys like Wroten and Grant.

I supposed. Hornacek never once mentioned Wroten in any interview. I'm still bummed, but maybe he was done.

This Bulls report on the Rose trade gives me some optimism. They're all convinced that Rose will be an all-star next season and thought the Bulls didn't get enough back.

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:IF.......
One year rental? Which of you orthopedic specialists have a good handle on his injuries?
IF.......
He has a good year, is it because Horny is better than Hoiberg as a coach? Triangle Zen? Having Melo on the wing? A Latvian god?
Will he look for money or look to continue a good thing in NY if he succeeds in NY?

Lopez is a very good journeyman Center. Not happy he is gone, but this trade has huge upside, and rose really need not be crazy good for it to be a huge success. Its a bold move. There are risks.

But he does have to be better than he's been in any year since 2011. That's going back half a decade.

If it works, we probably make the playoffs and maybe make a run in the weak east.

If it doesn't work, we probably miss the playoffs and get a lotto pick in 2017.

It's not a terrible gamble. If we had gambled our 2017 pick or 2018 pick, I'd be livid.

I think one thing we saw last year was that teams figured out how to play against Rolo and KP and they went small against them. I don't think that was a front court pairing we could use going forward. We got rid of the dead weight of Calderon this year and the questionable fit of Rolo for a PG who may be a very good fit with Melo and KP - it's all about fit.

I get why people are upset, but it's a pretty straight forward gamble. Impossible to judge the overall off-season until we see the next moves.

The one big question mark I have about all this is waiving Tony Wroten. That is sort of mystifying to me - and we didn't need to do it to facilitate the trade since we sent out more players than we got back and had cap room. Just odd to me.

	                        Field Goals	                        2 Point Field Goals	        3 Point Field Goals
General Range	GP	G	Freq	FGM	FGA	FG%	eFG%	Freq	2FGM	2FGA	2FG%	Freq	3PM	3PA	3P%
Catch and Shoot	66	54	11.1%	0.6	1.8	33.6	48.3	1.3%	0.1	0.2	35.7	9.8%	0.5	1.6	33.3
Pull Ups	66	65	42.0%	2.6	6.7	38.7	39.7	37.6%	2.4	6.0	41.0	4.4%	0.1	0.7	19.6
Less than 10 ft	66	65	46.4%	3.6	7.3	48.7	48.7	46.4%	3.6	7.3	48.7	0.0%	0.0	0.0	-
Other	        66	6	0.6%	0.0	0.1	33.3	41.7	0.4%	0.0	0.1	25.0	0.2%	0.0	0.0	50.0

DrAlphaeus wrote:OK so the glimmer of hope is strictly on offense, right? Is there any hope defensively?

KP blocks any guy who beats him off the dribble?

Kidding.

This is why I think who we sign/start at SG is so important. We need a stopper there to switch onto the best opposing guard. A team has two great opposing guards, we might be in trouble (but, really, not many teams do)

nixluva wrote:There were some really good performances from Rose this year. Rose will always have some issues with his health based on his history. The trick seems to be to time his minutes so that he gets enough rest early on and is strong to close the season. This year he got injured during the season and ended up missing games. Missed only 6 games from Oct thru Jan. Then he missed 10 the rest of the way, but 4 of those games came in April.

When he was healthy he actually played some pretty good ball tho!

DATE	 Games MIN   FGM-FGA   FG%   3PM-3PA  3P%   FTM-FTA  FT%   REB  AST  BLK  STL  PF   TO   PTS
November 10    32.7  5.4-15.3  .353  0.6-2.6  .231  1.9-2.4  .792  3.9  6.3  0.5  0.6  1.3  2.3  13.3
December 14    32.9  6.4-15.4  .414  0.7-2.5  .286  1.9-2.8  .667  3.3  4.4  0.2  0.6  1.6  2.7  15.3
January  13    30.4  7.4-15.7  .471  0.5-1.8  .292  2.3-2.4  .968  3.2  3.3  0.2  0.5  1.5  2.5  17.6
February  8    33.1  8.5-19.4  .439  0.8-2.4  .316  4.1-4.9  .846  5.6  6.0  0.1  0.9  1.6  3.3  21.9
March    15    30.0  7.1-15.3  .461  1.0-2.5  .405  1.5-2.1  .710  2.6  4.5  0.1  0.7  0.7  2.5  16.6
April     3    34.3  5.7-15.0  .378  0.0-1.7  .000  1.7-2.0  .833  3.3  4.7  0.0  1.0  0.3  3.0  13.0
Plus 3 games in October.

Knicks need not to burn him out early in the year. The bench will need quality guards that can help reduce Rose's minutes.

Watching these videos - watch the March ones. He has a better step than anyone I've seen on the Knicks since Marbury. He may not have his high-flying dunks of old anymore. But he has a first step and can get to the rim at will. I'm really excited about him. I think this trade could be our biggest steal since the Sprewell trade.