fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Lebron will come here only if he doesn't want to lose in the NBA finals anymore.

cause if he's a Knick he will never get there again?

Typical broken down Knick fan logic.

coming from the guy who wants to dump the only all star player who has actually wanted to come here in the last 2 decades

Really??? What about Marbs? He was a all-star and wanted to play in NY.
His head was not right comparing to Melo having his head and his hats right.
Otherwise same kind of hero-ball player ...

yea.. totally the same thing.

From real Knicks fans point of view absolutely the same thing.
You know NYorkers are result oriented.
You can be nice dude... but if you failed - you failed.

don't seem to be too many real fans around here at all. Just a bunch of haters and babies. I guess Don Mattingly is just another loser in the eyes of *real* NY fans. Hell.. so is Ewing right? None of them can touch Plaxico's greatness. Yawn. "you fail you fail." Yea... that's a fail.

Ewing made Knicks relevant contender.
He never drug the team to the top of the mountain but he never was the one to drag them backwards.
Every man has his flows but Patrick is in our hearts as he gave all to the team and to the City.
He always stand for the team first and for the money and his own popularity second.
He will be always remembered for his greatness and desire to win not for his numbers or brand.

Irving seems to crack under pressure as does JR, Shumpert, Love and most of the team.

Lebron can't leave Cleveland after remaking the roster and getting his buddies signed for big money. But, there is no way Melo and KP would not be tripling Love and Irvings production if they had james on the floor. You could switch Lebron onto the current Knicks roster and they would be in the finals right now. Remove him and Cleveland barely makes the playoffs and likely misses it all together.

mreinman wrote:why does everyone assume the lebron is so eager to team up with melo?

Besides the fact that he has more-less said it directly, it is clear Lebron is all about the buddy system. Melo, Wade, and Paul are the only 3 star players (and Bosh to a lesser extent) that he trusts to carry a franchise with him and have the same approach, maturity, and preparation as him. He has some role players like James jones and Mike Miller he also feels strongly about, but as far as carrying a franchise, his 3 best friends are the only ones he trusts. Kobe was the same way, only trusting certain players, but he was more direct about it whereas Lebron is passive-aggressive. Irving and Love aren't up to his standards, and in his mind, he is trying to teach them, but Melo, Wade, and Paul are the only guys he trusts from day 1 that he can go to war with and get the best results. Right or wrong, its clear how his mind works.

ChuckBuck wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Lebron will come here only if he doesn't want to lose in the NBA finals anymore.

cause if he's a Knick he will never get there again?

Typical broken down Knick fan logic.

coming from the guy who wants to dump the only all star player who has actually wanted to come here in the last 2 decades

Really??? What about Marbs? He was a all-star and wanted to play in NY.
His head was not right comparing to Melo having his head and his hats right.
Otherwise same kind of hero-ball player ...

yea.. totally the same thing.

From real Knicks fans point of view absolutely the same thing.
You know NYorkers are result oriented.
You can be nice dude... but if you failed - you failed.

don't seem to be too many real fans around here at all. Just a bunch of haters and babies. I guess Don Mattingly is just another loser in the eyes of *real* NY fans. Hell.. so is Ewing right? None of them can touch Plaxico's greatness. Yawn. "you fail you fail." Yea... that's a fail.

Ewing made Knicks relevant contender.
He never drug the team to the top of the mountain but he never was the one to drag them backwards.
Every man has his flows but Patrick is in our hearts as he gave all to the team and to the City.
He always stand for the team first and for the money and his own popularity second.
He will be always remembered for his greatness and desire to win not for his numbers or brand.

Well said. It's "how you play the game" as much as the winner or loser metric. Mattingly was the best all around 1st basemen in his too short prime, so poor comparison. Ewing made the playoffs for the entire decade of the 90s and battled constantly with the best players at his position and the best teams in his generation. For all Admiral, Shaq, Mutombo, Hakeem, and Mourning gave, he gave right back to them. For all Jordan and Reggie and Pat Riley's Heat gave to Ewing and his Knicks, he won a good amount as well. Not enough for a ring unfortunately, but his ledger is still intact.

Can't say any of this about Melo. Just collects paychecks, buys soccer teams in Puerto Rico, and has eyes strictly toward post basketball in the Tech sector. Not every athlete was bred to bleed and succeed in NY. Melo isn't one of them, and that's okay. He's a businessman first, athlete second. Unforunately, he's the preeminent athlete taking a 3rd of our payroll on our favorite basketball team.

Mattingly squeezed every ounce out of that non athletic low expectation body. He gave it his all both mentally and physically. There was nothing he left on the table. For a few years, he was the best player in baseball and one of the best defensive first basemen in history.

Ewing though an excellent player was no mattingly. There was a lot to be desired especially his passing or lack thereof. He did give 100% effort all the time so I could never blame him for being lazy.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Just a thought but with Pjax calling out of Lebron to take more of a Michael Jordan lead in order to win the series, is it possible that he was laying the ground work for Lebron to consider leaving Cleveland and come to NY so that he could win again with PJax and Melo?

Just the way that Phil operates and how he always says things with a purpose makes me think that was a subtle message.

I could be wrong.

Would prefer if it was the other way, with Melo joining Lebron in Cleveland.

You don't want 2 max players on the wrong side of 30 eating up over half of the payroll for multiple years, hamstringing the organization, only to be bounced early in the playoffs. Been there done that.

mreinman wrote:what does GS trashing mean to the knicks? Can we get curry?

He only scored 2 pts in the first half. Don't need him.

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I still think the big fallout will be Cleveland trading Kevin Love this summer. I'm betting to Boston. Maybe for the third pick overall so Cleveland can draft Buddy Hield or someone.

Looks like Love is expecting a change of scenery...

From Woj:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cavs-need-to-talk-about-kevin-081838796.html

Now, Love is 27 years old and in the first year of a five-year, $110 million contract extension. When Love agreed to the deal over the summer, some close to him insisted: He had little, if any, expectation that he would complete that contract in Cleveland. When it was time to find the next scapegoat, post-David Blatt, Love had been conditioned to believe it would be him.

Yeah, I do think Bron chooses scapegoats.

But I think roster construction-wise, it'd make sense for Cleveland to trade Love for a better SG or a swiss army knife type forward to play next to Bron - sort of like Jefferson did last night. Though you can't count on RJ to do that for a full season, I bet they'll start him the rest of the Finals.