stopstandthere wrote:Please enlighten me, what number of pick we got in 2016?

nixluva wrote:

stopstandthere wrote:Please enlighten me, what number of pick we got in 2016?

Phil is looking to buy a pick. He's also likely to sign an UDFA.

Tommy Dee did a nice article on the possible Draft Picks Phil could get from different teams and what he could do with that pick

Who are the Knicks targeting as the Draft approaches?
By Tommy Dee | 2:42PM

With the NBA draft less than two weeks away, Knicks President Phil Jackson has made no bones over the fact that the team hopes to acquire a draft pick to add more talent to the current roster. Which team(s) they are targeting as a trade partner remains to be seen, but several teams have a plethora of picks, in addition to roster gluts, that make them obvious candidates.

Per our own Adam Zagoria, the Knicks have told players they are working out that they plan on buying a pick to move into the draft, a changing dynamic this year as Jonathan Givony talked about here:

Second-round picks could once be had for pennies on the dollar, but those days are long gone, multiple NBA executives in Chicago told The Vertical. Second-round picks are now at such a premium that it's likely we'll see some sold on draft night for the maximum amount allowed, $3.4 million dollars. It's a creative way for big-market teams such as New York and Brooklyn to find their way into the draft.

Last year the most that was paid for a pick was $1.5 million, when the Knicks purchased the No. 35 draft pick from Philadelphia to select Willy Hernangomez, and Portland acquired the rights to Daniel Diez (No. 54 from Utah). The Knicks also paid Indiana $1.5 million for the draft pick they used to select Louis Labeyrie at No. 57.
There are teams who will be shopping late first round picks and the Knicks will be intent on buying, regardless of the price. Here's a look at several potential trade partners for the Knicks, as well as players who would be great fits for the Knicks should they land a pick in a certain draft range.

Philadelphia's 26th Pick, Toronto's 27th Pick, Phoenix's 28th pick

If you're Jackson, and you feel good about who is on the board here, you have to be agressive enough to land a pick. This is where you rely on your scouts and trust your draft board. Late first round picks are always good places to be because you can be aggressive but also patient to see if a higher-ranked prospects falls in your lap. (I still wish the Knicks were able to land UCLA's Kyle Anderson, who fell to the Spurs in 2014.)

Possible Targets

With all three teams owning multiple picks, expect these picks to be in play, and if the Knicks are indeed in love with Isaiah Whitehead of Seton Hall, you may see them take him in this range, but that's far too high in my opinion. This is where you have to land a player who can contribute, which is why I'm not over excited about the prospects of projects like Maryland's Diamond Stone, Australia's Thon Maker or Kansas' Cheick Diallo here despite their collective upsides.

I want a day one contributor, which is why I'd be ecstatic if Baylor's Taurean Prince, UNC's Brice Johnson, Michigan State's Denzel Valentine or Providence's Ben Bentil are sitting there. Realistically, I think Bentil would be there and that would be more than OK with me.

Boston Celtics' 31st or 35th pick

Danny Ainge has been lauded by fans who love the idea of "acquiring assets" as means of building a contender. The fact is the Celtics have build a pretty serious roster of young productive talent, starting with Isaiah Thomas, via trade, but who's counting? Ainge has seven draft picks in this draft, three in the first round and four in the second round, and the word around the league is that he's trying to package picks in order to make a huge deal for a star player. He better, or else he's obtained too many "assets" and will have to sell them for pennies on a dollar.

The Celtics own the 23rd, 31st, 35th, 45th and 51st and 58th picks. If I'm Jackson, I'm looking at the 31st and 35th picks, specifically. As usual, there is solid value in that range and Jackson has shown the propensity to trade into that range, having selected Cleanthony Early out of Wichita State 34th overall in 2014 and traded for Willy Hernangomez 35th last year.

Possible Targets

If Bentil is off the board at 31, then you may have to reach for Whitehead here as both are first round players who can step in and contribute day one. Gary Payton II of Oregon State and Kansas' Wayne Selden are also really smart options who can step in for the Knicks and add depth in the backcourt at either 31 or 35.

Phoenix Suns 34th pick

The Suns are in an interesting position, and it may behoove Jeff Hornacek to tap into some of his prior relationships here if necessary as you'd have to think one of the Suns' picks could be available.

Possible Targets

In addition to the aforementioned names, two guys worth noting here are St. Joseph's Isaiah Miles, and Florida's Dorian Finney-Smith. The Knicks could also look overseas should they secure the Suns 34th or Celtics 35th, especially if they wanted to add Juan Hernangomez, Willy's little brother, to the mix.

Milwaukee Bucks' 38th pick or New Orleans Pelicans' 39th or 40th pick

The Bucks have three picks and their last pick could be the most realistic for the Knicks to land. This would be the perfect spot for Bentil or Whitehead. Payton, Selden, Hernangomez, Miles, Finney-Smith all make sense here as well.

Another name quickly gaining momentum is Greek sensation Georgios Papagiannis, who will reportedly be working out in front of more than 20 NBA teams soon. The 7'2" Papagiannis is wowing scouts with his athleticism and feel for the game at such a young age.

"This kid has great pedigree," one league source, who loved Kristaps Porzingis' game last year, told me. "He plays at top level in Greece, as well as national team experience. If he went to St. Johns or Kentucky, he would be a lottery pick."

Other potential draft picks available:

Los Angeles Clippers' 33rd
Orlando Magic's 41st
Atlanta Hawks' 44th
Boston Celtics' 45th

As you can see, the Knicks will have a lot to choose from as it relates to obtaining a pick and it probably makes for sense for them to continue to look in the 31-40 range for a player who could fit their rotation and be on a very reasonable and manageable contract for the next several years.

There are more than a few players who fit what the Knicks need today at several positions starting with Bentil, Selden, Payton and Whitehead.

It should be an exciting night for fans hoping the Knicks can acquire an impact player as the team continues to build its way back toward the playoffs.

Shawn Long, a 6-10, 245-pound big man from Louisiana-Lafayette, worked out for the Knicks today, per league sources. The Knicks don't currently have a draft pick but they've worked out dozens of players in recent weeks and intend to acquire a pick either prior to - or during - draft night. Long had worked out for 12 teams and still has three workouts remaining. He averaged 18.8 points per game last season, showing an ability to score both inside & out.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Shawn Long, a 6-10, 245-pound big man from Louisiana-Lafayette, worked out for the Knicks today, per league sources. The Knicks don't currently have a draft pick but they've worked out dozens of players in recent weeks and intend to acquire a pick either prior to - or during - draft night. Long had worked out for 12 teams and still has three workouts remaining. He averaged 18.8 points per game last season, showing an ability to score both inside & out.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0534889788164022090-4

Thx for posting this. I must say I like his overall skills.

I stumbled across him a month or so ago while just looking through the DraftExpress database. For some reason I was trying to find someone who fit the Dray Green/P. Millsap profile. When it comes to length, height, and production he is very similar to them but he lacks their athleticism and explosion, imo. His lateral quickness needs to improve if he wants to make it in the NBA. He does seem to have a nose for the ball and players who can rebound, especially off. rebound, are always welcome. I did find it weird that his 3 pt shooting when down in back to back years though.

Another guy who kind of fit the Green/Millsap Profile is Jameel Warney from Stony Brook. I wonder if the knicks will give him a look.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jameel-Warney-65615/

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Shawn Long, a 6-10, 245-pound big man from Louisiana-Lafayette, worked out for the Knicks today, per league sources. The Knicks don't currently have a draft pick but they've worked out dozens of players in recent weeks and intend to acquire a pick either prior to - or during - draft night. Long had worked out for 12 teams and still has three workouts remaining. He averaged 18.8 points per game last season, showing an ability to score both inside & out.

http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0534889788164022090-4

Thx for posting this. I must say I like his overall skills.

I stumbled across him a month or so ago while just looking through the DraftExpress database. For some reason I was trying to find someone who fit the Dray Green/P. Millsap profile. When it comes to length, height, and production he is very similar to them but he lacks their athleticism and explosion, imo. His lateral quickness needs to improve if he wants to make it in the NBA. He does seem to have a nose for the ball and players who can rebound, especially off. rebound, are always welcome. I did find it weird that his 3 pt shooting when down in back to back years though.

Another guy who kind of fit the Green/Millsap Profile is Jameel Warney from Stony Brook. I wonder if the knicks will give him a look.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jameel-Warney-65615/

He looks pretty athletic to me for a big man.

According to Ian Begley of ESPN New York, the Knicks continued that process by working out three NBA Draft prospects.

In addition to Louisiana-Lafayette’s Shawn Long, the Knicks also worked out Central Michigan’s Chris Fowler and NC State’s Anthony “Cat” Barber yesterday, according to league sources.
All three prospects are quite intriguing.

Sometimes, you have to get a little lost before you can find yourself. Watch Gale and Laura’s Montana road trip.

A prominent player in each of the past three seasons, Anthony Barber broke out for the North Carolina State Wolfpack in 2015-16. The star point guard averaged 23.5 points, 4.6 rebounds, 4.5 assists, and 1.3 3-point field goals on a slash line of .434/.361/.865.

Standing at 6’2.75″ and 173 pounds with a 6’5.5″ wingspan, Barber earned the nickname of, “Cat”—a testament to how athletically gifted he is.

Shawn Long, a center, checks in at just under 6’11” and 248 pounds with a solid 7’1″ wingspan. He averaged a double-double in all four of his seasons with the Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin’ Cajuns, and has 3-point range on his jump shot.

Also a quality shot-blocker, Long is the complete package as a player who can protect the rim, rebound, space the floor, and play from the post.

Chris Fowler is one of the more productive playmakers in this draft class. He averaged at least 5.3 assists in all four of his seasons with the Central Michigan Chippewas, and did so with a low volume of turnovers.

Fowler, who measures at 6’1″ and 191 pounds, is a deep draft sleeper.

Barber has garnered the most hype of the three, but all could be quality players if developed properly.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:New Josh Adams tape. Man no fan fair for a 6-2 PG who avg 25-5-5 who is probably a top 3 athlete from the PG position.

JESUS! That kid has some pretty amazing hops. Kind of like a DRose on some of those dunks. This is why you just have to mine the talent pool for unhyped players who might be able to help your team. You put a kid like that in a Hornacek Style System and I can imagine he'll be a star.

Hes someone in the late 2nd or UDFA that you can bring in and see if you can harness his physical skills to conform to a team first approach.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:New Josh Adams tape. Man no fan fair for a 6-2 PG who avg 25-5-5 who is probably a top 3 athlete from the PG position.

JESUS! That kid has some pretty amazing hops. Kind of like a DRose on some of those dunks. This is why you just have to mine the talent pool for unhyped players who might be able to help your team. You put a kid like that in a Hornacek Style System and I can imagine he'll be a star.

Hes someone in the late 2nd or UDFA that you can bring in and see if you can harness his physical skills to conform to a team first approach.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:New Josh Adams tape. Man no fan fair for a 6-2 PG who avg 25-5-5 who is probably a top 3 athlete from the PG position.

JESUS! That kid has some pretty amazing hops. Kind of like a DRose on some of those dunks. This is why you just have to mine the talent pool for unhyped players who might be able to help your team. You put a kid like that in a Hornacek Style System and I can imagine he'll be a star.

Hes someone in the late 2nd or UDFA that you can bring in and see if you can harness his physical skills to conform to a team first approach.

That would be awesome. That was some video.

Wow, that was sick. I see a lot of White Chocolate Williams. Also reminds me of that athletic kid with that same playground style from summer league last year--Briggs, what was that kid's name again?

Glad to see we did bring in Cat Barber for a workout btw.. Would've been crazy if we didn't.

(PG--Denzel Valentine SG Malcolm Brogdon) F Ben Bentil AJ Hammons in the draft and G Bryn Forbes G Derrick Jones and George Niang as UDFA's

IF Valentine can fall just enough where we have a chance than Id go and use a future LOTTERY restricted #1 to grab him but I also want to be aggressive using cash and even future 2's to grab Brogdon--those two are my high priorities. Everything after that is gravy. The only other guy I would do is Bentil in rd 2. I still really like Forbes Jones and Niang as UDFA's

Id obviously use Brogdon and Valentine with the Knicks. If Bnetil or Hammons came along with that--I think we really make out--the thing with this draft is its all possible. UDFA would go to Westchester

Late 1 early 2
Brogdon
Valentine

Mid 2 Bentil
Hammons

UDFA
Jones
Forbes
Niang

Unknown player drops have to be calculated as well.