nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

It's really not a dumb move as the likely hood of a 2nd rder out producing O'Quinn is very unlikely. Despite O'Quinn having a bad year he was quite productive. He's played enough NBA minutes to determine that he is a legit quality NBA player.

Yep, 2nd rounders even high ones more likely than not arent NBA players. O'Quinn can be a back of rotation player

Just realized- best comparison here - would you trade KOQ for Cleanthony Early?

Do I need to comment?

I think its 50/50 that Early is even in the league next year, let alone plays.

At least you know KOQ can play serviceable minutes at the 4/5.

Would you trade KOQ for Jordan Clarkson?

Per Bonn's stat, its a gamble - and a bad one for a team like ours which has so many needs.

If you're rich, I might take that kind of shot. But we're not.

Also, according to BBall Reference, the average 35 pick produces 10.1 career win shares. KOQ is young, hasn't gotten much playing time, and is already at 7.1! I know Nix is saying this is an incredible draft and we have superb scouts but both seem like wishful thinking. I'm skeptical that in even the strongest draft in NBA history, the 35th pick would have as high an expected value as someone who is already a solid role player.

When did I ever say this was an incredible draft??? It doesn't have to be an overall incredible draft if you pick the right player!!! That's what i'm talking about. The Knicks are hunting for very specific needs and not just BPA as you would at the top of the draft. This is about the right Role players and not hoping for a potential Superstar to magically fall to the 2nd rd.

The idea is to get a role player that will help the team in areas of real weakness and that can give the team production in a way that moves the team in the right direction. If they can land a 3nD SG or a PG that can shoot and breakdown a D, that would benefit the team much more than what we got from KOQ. Those kinds of players are going to be available in this draft.

I think that you are missing Bonn's point ... of course the knicks are looking for a specific type of player but chances are (10%) that this player won't make the rotation.

Therefore, you have a much better chance with KOQ (who I don't personally care for, especially with him chucking long triangle 2's).

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

It's really not a dumb move as the likely hood of a 2nd rder out producing O'Quinn is very unlikely. Despite O'Quinn having a bad year he was quite productive. He's played enough NBA minutes to determine that he is a legit quality NBA player.

Yep, 2nd rounders even high ones more likely than not arent NBA players. O'Quinn can be a back of rotation player

Just realized- best comparison here - would you trade KOQ for Cleanthony Early?

Do I need to comment?

I think its 50/50 that Early is even in the league next year, let alone plays.

At least you know KOQ can play serviceable minutes at the 4/5.

Would you trade KOQ for Jordan Clarkson?

Per Bonn's stat, its a gamble - and a bad one for a team like ours which has so many needs.

If you're rich, I might take that kind of shot. But we're not.

Also, according to BBall Reference, the average 35 pick produces 10.1 career win shares. KOQ is young, hasn't gotten much playing time, and is already at 7.1! I know Nix is saying this is an incredible draft and we have superb scouts but both seem like wishful thinking. I'm skeptical that in even the strongest draft in NBA history, the 35th pick would have as high an expected value as someone who is already a solid role player.

When did I ever say this was an incredible draft??? It doesn't have to be an overall incredible draft if you pick the right player!!! That's what i'm talking about. The Knicks are hunting for very specific needs and not just BPA as you would at the top of the draft. This is about the right Role players and not hoping for a potential Superstar to magically fall to the 2nd rd.

The idea is to get a role player that will help the team in areas of real weakness and that can give the team production in a way that moves the team in the right direction. If they can land a 3nD SG or a PG that can shoot and breakdown a D, that would benefit the team much more than what we got from KOQ. Those kinds of players are going to be available in this draft.

I think that you are missing Bonn's point ... of course the knicks are looking for a specific type of player but chances are (10%) that this player won't make the rotation.

Therefore, you have a much better chance with KOQ (who I don't personally care for, especially with him chucking long triangle 2's).

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

It's really not a dumb move as the likely hood of a 2nd rder out producing O'Quinn is very unlikely. Despite O'Quinn having a bad year he was quite productive. He's played enough NBA minutes to determine that he is a legit quality NBA player.

Yep, 2nd rounders even high ones more likely than not arent NBA players. O'Quinn can be a back of rotation player

Just realized- best comparison here - would you trade KOQ for Cleanthony Early?

Do I need to comment?

I think its 50/50 that Early is even in the league next year, let alone plays.

At least you know KOQ can play serviceable minutes at the 4/5.

Would you trade KOQ for Jordan Clarkson?

Per Bonn's stat, its a gamble - and a bad one for a team like ours which has so many needs.

If you're rich, I might take that kind of shot. But we're not.

Also, according to BBall Reference, the average 35 pick produces 10.1 career win shares. KOQ is young, hasn't gotten much playing time, and is already at 7.1! I know Nix is saying this is an incredible draft and we have superb scouts but both seem like wishful thinking. I'm skeptical that in even the strongest draft in NBA history, the 35th pick would have as high an expected value as someone who is already a solid role player.

When did I ever say this was an incredible draft??? It doesn't have to be an overall incredible draft if you pick the right player!!! That's what i'm talking about. The Knicks are hunting for very specific needs and not just BPA as you would at the top of the draft. This is about the right Role players and not hoping for a potential Superstar to magically fall to the 2nd rd.

The idea is to get a role player that will help the team in areas of real weakness and that can give the team production in a way that moves the team in the right direction. If they can land a 3nD SG or a PG that can shoot and breakdown a D, that would benefit the team much more than what we got from KOQ. Those kinds of players are going to be available in this draft.

I think that you are missing Bonn's point ... of course the knicks are looking for a specific type of player but chances are (10%) that this player won't make the rotation.

Therefore, you have a much better chance with KOQ (who I don't personally care for, especially with him chucking long triangle 2's).

This is why Phil isn't stuck on this hyper technical way of looking at things. Why should I care about percentages??? This isn't Roulette. You control your scouting and vetting process. You do the best work of evaluating players and make the pick count. There will be PG's, SG's and Forwards in this draft who can help this team. If you've got men you trust making the evaluations and they tell you there are some quality players deep into this draft then you go with that. I believe we have quality scouts and talent evaluators. I believe there will be some talent that can help this team late into the 1st rd and early 2nd. They aren't expecting superstars at this part of the draft. Sure you hope you get lucky but really this is about quality role players that can fill in holes in the roster.

right and I'm sure that with phils smart team he will realize that chances of hitting on a mid second rounder is low and balance that against koq.

You may not care for numbers and statistics and odds ... but I hope and I'm sure that phil does.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

It's really not a dumb move as the likely hood of a 2nd rder out producing O'Quinn is very unlikely. Despite O'Quinn having a bad year he was quite productive. He's played enough NBA minutes to determine that he is a legit quality NBA player.

Yep, 2nd rounders even high ones more likely than not arent NBA players. O'Quinn can be a back of rotation player

Just realized- best comparison here - would you trade KOQ for Cleanthony Early?

Do I need to comment?

I think its 50/50 that Early is even in the league next year, let alone plays.

At least you know KOQ can play serviceable minutes at the 4/5.

Would you trade KOQ for Jordan Clarkson?

Per Bonn's stat, its a gamble - and a bad one for a team like ours which has so many needs.

If you're rich, I might take that kind of shot. But we're not.

Also, according to BBall Reference, the average 35 pick produces 10.1 career win shares. KOQ is young, hasn't gotten much playing time, and is already at 7.1! I know Nix is saying this is an incredible draft and we have superb scouts but both seem like wishful thinking. I'm skeptical that in even the strongest draft in NBA history, the 35th pick would have as high an expected value as someone who is already a solid role player.

When did I ever say this was an incredible draft??? It doesn't have to be an overall incredible draft if you pick the right player!!! That's what i'm talking about. The Knicks are hunting for very specific needs and not just BPA as you would at the top of the draft. This is about the right Role players and not hoping for a potential Superstar to magically fall to the 2nd rd.

The idea is to get a role player that will help the team in areas of real weakness and that can give the team production in a way that moves the team in the right direction. If they can land a 3nD SG or a PG that can shoot and breakdown a D, that would benefit the team much more than what we got from KOQ. Those kinds of players are going to be available in this draft.

I think that you are missing Bonn's point ... of course the knicks are looking for a specific type of player but chances are (10%) that this player won't make the rotation.

Therefore, you have a much better chance with KOQ (who I don't personally care for, especially with him chucking long triangle 2's).

This is why Phil isn't stuck on this hyper technical way of looking at things. Why should I care about percentages??? This isn't Roulette. You control your scouting and vetting process. You do the best work of evaluating players and make the pick count. There will be PG's, SG's and Forwards in this draft who can help this team. If you've got men you trust making the evaluations and they tell you there are some quality players deep into this draft then you go with that. I believe we have quality scouts and talent evaluators. I believe there will be some talent that can help this team late into the 1st rd and early 2nd. They aren't expecting superstars at this part of the draft. Sure you hope you get lucky but really this is about quality role players that can fill in holes in the roster.

right and I'm sure that with phils smart team he will realize that chances of hitting on a mid second rounder is low and balance that against koq.

You may not care for numbers and statistics and odds ... but I hope and I'm sure that phil does.

Did you see my post where I asked you about KOQ's defensive metrics?

no ... sorry

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

It's really not a dumb move as the likely hood of a 2nd rder out producing O'Quinn is very unlikely. Despite O'Quinn having a bad year he was quite productive. He's played enough NBA minutes to determine that he is a legit quality NBA player.

Yep, 2nd rounders even high ones more likely than not arent NBA players. O'Quinn can be a back of rotation player

Just realized- best comparison here - would you trade KOQ for Cleanthony Early?

Do I need to comment?

I think its 50/50 that Early is even in the league next year, let alone plays.

At least you know KOQ can play serviceable minutes at the 4/5.

Would you trade KOQ for Jordan Clarkson?

Per Bonn's stat, its a gamble - and a bad one for a team like ours which has so many needs.

If you're rich, I might take that kind of shot. But we're not.

Also, according to BBall Reference, the average 35 pick produces 10.1 career win shares. KOQ is young, hasn't gotten much playing time, and is already at 7.1! I know Nix is saying this is an incredible draft and we have superb scouts but both seem like wishful thinking. I'm skeptical that in even the strongest draft in NBA history, the 35th pick would have as high an expected value as someone who is already a solid role player.

When did I ever say this was an incredible draft??? It doesn't have to be an overall incredible draft if you pick the right player!!! That's what i'm talking about. The Knicks are hunting for very specific needs and not just BPA as you would at the top of the draft. This is about the right Role players and not hoping for a potential Superstar to magically fall to the 2nd rd.

The idea is to get a role player that will help the team in areas of real weakness and that can give the team production in a way that moves the team in the right direction. If they can land a 3nD SG or a PG that can shoot and breakdown a D, that would benefit the team much more than what we got from KOQ. Those kinds of players are going to be available in this draft.

I think that you are missing Bonn's point ... of course the knicks are looking for a specific type of player but chances are (10%) that this player won't make the rotation.

Therefore, you have a much better chance with KOQ (who I don't personally care for, especially with him chucking long triangle 2's).

This is why Phil isn't stuck on this hyper technical way of looking at things. Why should I care about percentages??? This isn't Roulette. You control your scouting and vetting process. You do the best work of evaluating players and make the pick count. There will be PG's, SG's and Forwards in this draft who can help this team. If you've got men you trust making the evaluations and they tell you there are some quality players deep into this draft then you go with that. I believe we have quality scouts and talent evaluators. I believe there will be some talent that can help this team late into the 1st rd and early 2nd. They aren't expecting superstars at this part of the draft. Sure you hope you get lucky but really this is about quality role players that can fill in holes in the roster.

right and I'm sure that with phils smart team he will realize that chances of hitting on a mid second rounder is low and balance that against koq.

You may not care for numbers and statistics and odds ... but I hope and I'm sure that phil does.

Did you see my post where I asked you about KOQ's defensive metrics?

no ... sorry

Oh, well this is what I asked you earlier in the thread: "Is there anything in any of the stats (even the player tracking data, which looks at defense) to indicate KOQ is as bad as you say, or is this entirely an eyeball assessment? (Serious question, not an attack.) All of the advanced stats on BBall Reference would seem to indicate he's actually outperforming his contract and worth way more than 1 (or even 2) 2nd round pick."

I may have been a bit too hard on him because of how many dumb things (I think) that he does. Looking at his stats, I did not realize how much better they are than what I got from my lying eyes.

I need to recalibrate my thoughts on our players now that we have (I hope) a new smart coach who will put players in positions that they are more suited for (I hope)

EwingsGlass wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

As opposed to a smart opinion by a douchebag writer?

As opposed to sourced, reported stories by actual reporters. This is a made up fantasy trade by a blogger who didn't talk to a single soul. I mean...

Follow the tracks of these sources and you might find there isn't much if anything to their source if they sight one. Berman today:

sources have indicated Knicks assistant Brian Keefe, Durant’s workout partner in OKC, won’t be retained under new coach Jeff Hornacek.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/31/sizing-up-the-long-shots-bidding-to-pry-kevin-durant-off-thunder/
Not a stretch to assume this and at least this time he linked to a source but it is another writer from the post speculating Keefe won't be retained.

Hornacek is not expected to retain Derek Fisher’s hires of former Thunder assistants Brian Keefe,

http://nypost.com/2016/05/23/what-will-jeff-hornaceks-knicks-coaching-staff-look-like/
I agree that it is an opinion piece by a fan but the stuff in the Post and the Daily News is often not actually sourced or is a revisit of previous quotes and comments spun into something provocative.

How many players have gone to play somewhere for an assistant coach? Or a coach? Maybe Lamarcus wants to play for Pop. Its possible. But Durant is going to cross NY off the list cause Fish is not here?

I would love to be in the room to hear how Phil, JH and possibly Melo, make their pitch to KD. Just to hear what they feel the plan would be for him and the team. It's not likely that KD would come but I would love to hear how they go about trying to convince him. KD came up with the whole UNICORN thing about KP, which is a fun part of the story.

“He can shoot, he can make the right plays, he can defend, he’s a 7-footer that can shoot all the way out to the 3-point line,” Durant said, according to ESPN. “That’s rare. And block shots—that’s like a unicorn in this league.

“When they made the pick, I texted [Knicks head coach Derek Fisher] immediately and said ‘I like this kid, he can play.’ A lot of people were down on him, but he can play. He’s a skilled guy and I think we’ve gotten away from enjoying skilled players in this league. We get so many players that are athletic and big and strong, but he’s a skilled player.”

In 46 starts for the Knicks this season, the No. 4 pick is averaging 14.0 points, 7.8 rebounds and 1.2 assists per game.

“You’ve got to respect what he’s doing,” Durant said. “This being New York City, everything is under a microscope, but he’s progressing at a high rate pretty fast, and he’s going to be a force.”

EwingsGlass wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

As opposed to a smart opinion by a douchebag writer?

As opposed to sourced, reported stories by actual reporters. This is a made up fantasy trade by a blogger who didn't talk to a single soul. I mean...

Follow the tracks of these sources and you might find there isn't much if anything to their source if they sight one. Berman today:

sources have indicated Knicks assistant Brian Keefe, Durant’s workout partner in OKC, won’t be retained under new coach Jeff Hornacek.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/31/sizing-up-the-long-shots-bidding-to-pry-kevin-durant-off-thunder/
Not a stretch to assume this and at least this time he linked to a source but it is another writer from the post speculating Keefe won't be retained.

Hornacek is not expected to retain Derek Fisher’s hires of former Thunder assistants Brian Keefe,

http://nypost.com/2016/05/23/what-will-jeff-hornaceks-knicks-coaching-staff-look-like/
I agree that it is an opinion piece by a fan but the stuff in the Post and the Daily News is often not actually sourced or is a revisit of previous quotes and comments spun into something provocative.

How many players have gone to play somewhere for an assistant coach? Or a coach? Maybe Lamarcus wants to play for Pop. Its possible. But Durant is going to cross NY off the list cause Fish is not here?

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

It's really not a dumb move as the likely hood of a 2nd rder out producing O'Quinn is very unlikely. Despite O'Quinn having a bad year he was quite productive. He's played enough NBA minutes to determine that he is a legit quality NBA player.

Yep, 2nd rounders even high ones more likely than not arent NBA players. O'Quinn can be a back of rotation player

Just realized- best comparison here - would you trade KOQ for Cleanthony Early?

Do I need to comment?

I think its 50/50 that Early is even in the league next year, let alone plays.

At least you know KOQ can play serviceable minutes at the 4/5.

Would you trade KOQ for Jordan Clarkson?

Ummmmmmm is this a serious question?? Every Knicks fan would do that trade but no Lakers people would even think about making that trade.

CrushAlot wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

As opposed to a smart opinion by a douchebag writer?

As opposed to sourced, reported stories by actual reporters. This is a made up fantasy trade by a blogger who didn't talk to a single soul. I mean...

Follow the tracks of these sources and you might find there isn't much if anything to their source if they sight one. Berman today:

sources have indicated Knicks assistant Brian Keefe, Durant’s workout partner in OKC, won’t be retained under new coach Jeff Hornacek.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/31/sizing-up-the-long-shots-bidding-to-pry-kevin-durant-off-thunder/
Not a stretch to assume this and at least this time he linked to a source but it is another writer from the post speculating Keefe won't be retained.

Hornacek is not expected to retain Derek Fisher’s hires of former Thunder assistants Brian Keefe,

http://nypost.com/2016/05/23/what-will-jeff-hornaceks-knicks-coaching-staff-look-like/
I agree that it is an opinion piece by a fan but the stuff in the Post and the Daily News is often not actually sourced or is a revisit of previous quotes and comments spun into something provocative.

How many players have gone to play somewhere for an assistant coach? Or a coach? Maybe Lamarcus wants to play for Pop. Its possible. But Durant is going to cross NY off the list cause Fish is not here?

My point was that while a fan wrote the article about an O'Quinn trade, Berman (and Isola) are making up their own stuff as well. Berman cites a source saying O'Keefe is going to get fired and the link is to a guy that writes for his paper that says he is speculating JH won't keep O'Keefe. The sourced, actual reporters in many cases (like with Berman here) don't have real sources and also create made up or possible scenarios.

Just because a source won't go on the record (and of course they wouldn't go on the record, they'd be fired), doesn't mean it's not a real source.

I work at a media company, I could give my very informed opinion about people I thought would be let go or retained and I'd be pretty accurate. There's no way I would give my name and there's no way I would name specifics that would expose even what department I worked in, but I would have a pretty good idea what's going on.

If you think Berman and Isola, who have covered the Knicks beat for 20 years a piece, don't have sources in the Garden with a feel for what's going on, I think you're wrong. Those sources may not always be 100% right, but I think they probably get the big picture right more often than not. You really think Hornacek is going to retain Derek Fisher's OKC assistants??? I sort of doubt it! I actually think one of the hold ups in the contract may be the status of one Kurt Rambis.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

franco12 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

It's really not a dumb move as the likely hood of a 2nd rder out producing O'Quinn is very unlikely. Despite O'Quinn having a bad year he was quite productive. He's played enough NBA minutes to determine that he is a legit quality NBA player.

Yep, 2nd rounders even high ones more likely than not arent NBA players. O'Quinn can be a back of rotation player

Just realized- best comparison here - would you trade KOQ for Cleanthony Early?

Do I need to comment?

I think its 50/50 that Early is even in the league next year, let alone plays.

At least you know KOQ can play serviceable minutes at the 4/5.

Would you trade KOQ for Jordan Clarkson?

Per Bonn's stat, its a gamble - and a bad one for a team like ours which has so many needs.

If you're rich, I might take that kind of shot. But we're not.

Also, according to BBall Reference, the average 35 pick produces 10.1 career win shares. KOQ is young, hasn't gotten much playing time, and is already at 7.1! I know Nix is saying this is an incredible draft and we have superb scouts but both seem like wishful thinking. I'm skeptical that in even the strongest draft in NBA history, the 35th pick would have as high an expected value as someone who is already a solid role player.

When did I ever say this was an incredible draft??? It doesn't have to be an overall incredible draft if you pick the right player!!! That's what i'm talking about. The Knicks are hunting for very specific needs and not just BPA as you would at the top of the draft. This is about the right Role players and not hoping for a potential Superstar to magically fall to the 2nd rd.

The idea is to get a role player that will help the team in areas of real weakness and that can give the team production in a way that moves the team in the right direction. If they can land a 3nD SG or a PG that can shoot and breakdown a D, that would benefit the team much more than what we got from KOQ. Those kinds of players are going to be available in this draft.

No the point is you are talking bout trading a player that can and does contribute for the "possibility" of picking a player that "may" contribute. Everyone you get at the 35 range will have character issues or question marks around athletic ability, health or skills or some combination thereof. I mean c'mon Grant was picked 19th. And we recognize we need a better player than that, picked by the exact same scouts another 18 spots lower.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:I can't believe that Ainge is this dumb

It's not a rumor, it's an opinion piece by a fan.

As opposed to a smart opinion by a douchebag writer?

As opposed to sourced, reported stories by actual reporters. This is a made up fantasy trade by a blogger who didn't talk to a single soul. I mean...

Follow the tracks of these sources and you might find there isn't much if anything to their source if they sight one. Berman today:

sources have indicated Knicks assistant Brian Keefe, Durant’s workout partner in OKC, won’t be retained under new coach Jeff Hornacek.

http://nypost.com/2016/05/31/sizing-up-the-long-shots-bidding-to-pry-kevin-durant-off-thunder/
Not a stretch to assume this and at least this time he linked to a source but it is another writer from the post speculating Keefe won't be retained.

Hornacek is not expected to retain Derek Fisher’s hires of former Thunder assistants Brian Keefe,

http://nypost.com/2016/05/23/what-will-jeff-hornaceks-knicks-coaching-staff-look-like/
I agree that it is an opinion piece by a fan but the stuff in the Post and the Daily News is often not actually sourced or is a revisit of previous quotes and comments spun into something provocative.

How many players have gone to play somewhere for an assistant coach? Or a coach? Maybe Lamarcus wants to play for Pop. Its possible. But Durant is going to cross NY off the list cause Fish is not here?

My point was that while a fan wrote the article about an O'Quinn trade, Berman (and Isola) are making up their own stuff as well. Berman cites a source saying O'Keefe is going to get fired and the link is to a guy that writes for his paper that says he is speculating JH won't keep O'Keefe. The sourced, actual reporters in many cases (like with Berman here) don't have real sources and also create made up or possible scenarios.

Just because a source won't go on the record (and of course they wouldn't go on the record, they'd be fired), doesn't mean it's not a real source.

I work at a media company, I could give my very informed opinion about people I thought would be let go or retained and I'd be pretty accurate. There's no way I would give my name and there's no way I would name specifics that would expose even what department I worked in, but I would have a pretty good idea what's going on.

If you think Berman and Isola, who have covered the Knicks beat for 20 years a piece, don't have sources in the Garden with a feel for what's going on, I think you're wrong. Those sources may not always be 100% right, but I think they probably get the big picture right more often than not. You really think Hornacek is going to retain Derek Fisher's OKC assistants??? I sort of doubt it! I actually think one of the hold ups in the contract may be the status of one Kurt Rambis.

I don't think that he will retain the assistants and I referenced that in my post. I couldn't disagree more with you about Berman and Isola. The big picture they tried to paint about Phil, the coaching search etc was totally wrong. The big picture about Melo being against the kp pick etc. was totally wrong. They have been wrong for a long time. I also don't think there are any leaks in Phil's regime. If you watch the interviews of players/coaches etc and then read their interpetation/spin it generally is different from what was said in its entirety. You can choose to believe whatever you want but in regards to these two guys we disagree.

There were sources on the team who believed Rambis was the pick. Woj has said this. Ramona Shelburne has said this. Ken Berger has said this. Those three are as unassailable as you can get for NBA writers. Even Phil's good friend Charlie Rosen wrote an article defending Rambis as the choice. (Rosen talks to Phil frequently. He's chronicling the whole season. Maybe he'll shed some light on the coaching search when the articles come out later in the summer. )

Phil went on his road trip and somehow that Rambis-leaning changed. I speculated as to why that happened and was attacked here for daring to wonder what was going on. At first I was told I should trust Phil and of course Rambis would be a great pick and then I was told that I was an idiot for thinking it'd be Rambis and Phil really showed me for thinking it was Rambis (even though most here assumed Rambis was the pick).

But I don't necessarily think Berman and Isola were wrong. I think something made Phil change his mind. Whether that was his own thinking on the matter or influence from Melo and the other player's exit interviews or influence from Mills/Dolan, I believe something made Phil re-evaluate. I think it's probably a mix of all three and applaud him for the decision.

Regarding Melo on the KP pick, I think it is not out of the realm of possibility that Melo was not thrilled with the pick and then he was won over by KP's play in summer league and practicing with him in person. We know Melo was hoping for a big free agency and draft haul last year. Maybe he wasn't thrilled with what they got at first. There were plenty of people posting here who were ready to jump off a bridge during FA last summer as the big names went elsewhere. Maybe Melo had the same reaction? Just because Melo got his mind right doesn't mean the initial report was wrong. The initial report of Melo's reaction to the pick, by the way, came from Screamin' A Smith, who I agree is an idiot.