mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

mreinman wrote:So you don't trust in phil now? Or do you only believe in him if he
believes in running more triangle?

If phil believes we need less pure triangle and need to open it up
more and modernize it and he believes that JH can do that, is that
not good enough anymore? His mind and his opinion?

As I've said . . . the Fisher disaster has undermined my confidence
in Jackson.

That was entirely his call and his responsibility. No escape from that.

So what kind of sense would it make to "trust" Phil AFTER it . . . in
the same way one trusted him BEFORE (?)

Instead, he has to show me that he's not going to make a similarly bad
decision again.

If Jackson has decided not to run the Triangle . . . I'm done with him.

I still think you're putting too much emphasis on the Fisher thing. Phil originally wanted Kerr. What happened with Fish was as much on Fish as on Phil. Phil trusted Fish and thought he was on the same page but Fish had other ideas and wasn't as professional as he should've been. In the end Phil knows more about what happened than any of us. He ended it and now we have a guy with a bit more experience and a great mind. This actually should make you trust Phil MORE than before.

You think it's all about the Triangle when the Triangle is just a means to an end. People seem not to get that part of what Phil is all about. His principles on teamwork and sacrifice came before the Triangle. What he learned from Holzman about team was the blueprint but he used the Triangle to establish in a concrete way those intangible principles. He came to believe that the Triangle was a great way to instill his principles, but not the only way.

The fisher thing was on him and he did really blow it with that hire. He should have known or interviewed fisher much better than he did.

Fisher is not a really high IQ guy ... phil should have known that. It was a rookie mistake.

Where does that come from? Fish was not known as a stupid guy. He may not have been the X's and O's guy that some coaches are, but that wasn't the main reason for Phil hiring him. Phil has X's and O's guys there to help Fish. Phil hired Fish for relating to and inspiring the players. He felt Fish was a young leader who was known to be a leader in the locker room. It wasn't about how smart he was with a chalk board. He wanted a talented young leader of men. Someone that could relate to today's players as he was doing with the Thunder. There was LEGIT rationale behind what Phil was looking for from Fish.

Today you need really smart head coaches and Fisher to me was a low IQ player and a low IQ coach. Phil miscalculated big time on that ... its ok to make mistakes especially being new to this. I think that he made a good choice now so hopefully it was a good learning experience.

I hope that he was never planning on hiring rambis because that would show more extreme silliness. I guess we will never know.

There are head coaches that have an Offensive guru assistant. Even Kerr had Gentry by his side. If you think Phil just left Fish with no help that's way off base. If Phil has trust in Rambis as an Offensive assistant he clearly felt his BBIQ was high.

Just because JH may have an especially high IQ or keen offensive mind doesn't mean Phil felt he had idiots running his team. Having a great offensive mind is no guarantee of success. There's more to the hire of JH than his ability with X's n O's.

Dumb as Fish was supposed to be he was the one looking for more uptempo and PnR. I think that his firing was about how he handled his job. Dealing with his staff and Phil in particular. Fish showing poor judgment on top of that. Bashing Phil is missing the point. How many good coaches were also fired? Thibs, JH, Blatt, Vogel, Joerger... All stupid guys I guess.

Not all stupid guys and I did not say everyone who gets fired is stupid, I said that phil made a rookie mistake and that happens. Its not a bash, its a fact. Everyone needs to make mistakes and learn.

IMO Phil was doing exactly what Riley did with Spoelstra! Young guy you can mentor and bring along. It just didn't work out but I wouldn't call it a rookie mistake. No one was thinking that at 20-20. The end result doesn't always mean the original intent was wrong, which was my point in mentioning all the talented coaches that were fired. If the Knicks had just a little better luck and health Fish might still have his job, despite his flaws.

Phil has had his share of things that didn't work in his 1st 2 years but I think he's gotten enough things right. Let's hope the rest of the summer goes great.

arkrud wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

mreinman wrote:So you don't trust in phil now? Or do you only believe in him if he
believes in running more triangle?

If phil believes we need less pure triangle and need to open it up
more and modernize it and he believes that JH can do that, is that
not good enough anymore? His mind and his opinion?

As I've said . . . the Fisher disaster has undermined my confidence
in Jackson.

That was entirely his call and his responsibility. No escape from that.

So what kind of sense would it make to "trust" Phil AFTER it . . . in
the same way one trusted him BEFORE (?)

Instead, he has to show me that he's not going to make a similarly bad
decision again.

If Jackson has decided not to run the Triangle . . . I'm done with him.

I still think you're putting too much emphasis on the Fisher thing. Phil originally wanted Kerr. What happened with Fish was as much on Fish as on Phil. Phil trusted Fish and thought he was on the same page but Fish had other ideas and wasn't as professional as he should've been. In the end Phil knows more about what happened than any of us. He ended it and now we have a guy with a bit more experience and a great mind. This actually should make you trust Phil MORE than before.

You think it's all about the Triangle when the Triangle is just a means to an end. People seem not to get that part of what Phil is all about. His principles on teamwork and sacrifice came before the Triangle. What he learned from Holzman about team was the blueprint but he used the Triangle to establish in a concrete way those intangible principles. He came to believe that the Triangle was a great way to instill his principles, but not the only way.

The fisher thing was on him and he did really blow it with that hire. He should have known or interviewed fisher much better than he did.

Fisher is not a really high IQ guy ... phil should have known that. It was a rookie mistake.

Where does that come from? Fish was not known as a stupid guy. He may not have been the X's and O's guy that some coaches are, but that wasn't the main reason for Phil hiring him. Phil has X's and O's guys there to help Fish. Phil hired Fish for relating to and inspiring the players. He felt Fish was a young leader who was known to be a leader in the locker room. It wasn't about how smart he was with a chalk board. He wanted a talented young leader of men. Someone that could relate to today's players as he was doing with the Thunder. There was LEGIT rationale behind what Phil was looking for from Fish.

Today you need really smart head coaches and Fisher to me was a low IQ player and a low IQ coach. Phil miscalculated big time on that ... its ok to make mistakes especially being new to this. I think that he made a good choice now so hopefully it was a good learning experience.

I hope that he was never planning on hiring rambis because that would show more extreme silliness. I guess we will never know.

There are head coaches that have an Offensive guru assistant. Even Kerr had Gentry by his side. If you think Phil just left Fish with no help that's way off base. If Phil has trust in Rambis as an Offensive assistant he clearly felt his BBIQ was high.

Just because JH may have an especially high IQ or keen offensive mind doesn't mean Phil felt he had idiots running his team. Having a great offensive mind is no guarantee of success. There's more to the hire of JH than his ability with X's n O's.

Dumb as Fish was supposed to be he was the one looking for more uptempo and PnR. I think that his firing was about how he handled his job. Dealing with his staff and Phil in particular. Fish showing poor judgment on top of that. Bashing Phil is missing the point. How many good coaches were also fired? Thibs, JH, Blatt, Vogel, Joerger... All stupid guys I guess.

Not all stupid guys and I did not say everyone who gets fired is stupid, I said that phil made a rookie mistake and that happens. Its not a bash, its a fact. Everyone needs to make mistakes and learn.

The players personal was not ready for goof coach... Phil need a temp fill in at a time and Fisher was very good choice for that.
But we get lucky to get some talent faster that Phil expected so good long term coach now make sense.

Fisher was more concern with process, not winning, and rambis was the exact same way, he care more about the process of running the triangle.

I dont think rambis will be part of the coaching staff because he has zero influence on anybody in the locker room. They respect him as a person and good dude, but he just doesn't have what it takes.

Phil needs to clean house with that entire coaching staff, let JH bring his guys in, so everyones on the same page.

CrushAlot wrote:I really wouldn't mind if Rambis wasn't a part of the coaching staff. If it is Hornacek's job he should be able to pick his assistants.

There could be a lot of discussion going on about that. They're taking their time I think so they can work out a lot of details before appearing before the media. They know that the media will have all manner of tough questions for them.

My guess is JH Will be allowed to put together his own staff. He's probably interviewing the holdovers to see what they're about. Some of the guys he might want are still coaching.