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Vmart wrote:Time will tell how happy Melo is. MDA played a fast pace ran him out of town for a slower paced Woodson who catered to isoball. Hornacek likes motion from all his players. I don't think Melo is a motion offense player.

I think Melo is just happy it's not Rambis. You see Rambis played with superstars in his career some of the best all time. He probably expected more from Melo but Melo quickly realized he wasn't anything close to Magic, Kareem or Worthy.

This guy is getting old and he wants to play a fast pace. Time will tell.

More recently, Melo has also shown his willingness to adapt. Passed the ball a lot more to get himself into a team philosophy and it helped.

That was the roll MDA wanted him to play a facilitator which lead to unhappy Melo.

That was a very bad reaction by Melo. I do think he has matured since then. I believe Melo will be fully behind this move and will support Horn fully. More importantly, the entire team should respond to an easier style of play that still has the same kind of ball and player movement but in an easier form to grasp.

Like I said I don't think Melo is a motion offense player. He moves only when the ball is in his hand he doesn't do Reggie Miller running off screens or cutting to the basket for easy baskets. He has slowed down a lot and you can see it. I don't know how you guys are speeding the game up for a player who is slowing down.

I'm guaranteeing a unhappy Melo by mid season.

Melo is one of the only guys on the team who sets good screens. It's hard to tell though because our guards are so bad at taking advantage of them. He freed up Calderon for countless mid-range jumpers this season though.

Melo got mad at MDA because when Melo went out with injury, MDA turned the team over to Lin and scapegoated Melo for the team's struggles pre-Lin. I think it was lame of MDA to do that and also lame how Melo reacted. They both blamed each other, when the real reason that team struggled was Amar'e and Melo were a terrible fit next to one another.

I think the real issue with the 15-16 Knicks was that we can't really have the big frontcourt on the floor for long stretches - Melo, KP, Rolo. Melo is essentially a 4 at this point. You saw last season as teams figured out they had to play the Knicks small that NYK played best when it was either Melo/KP at the 4/5 or Melo/Rolo 4/5. The big lineup of Melo, KP, Rolo won't work if teams go small.

I like Hornacek because I've seen him make good in game adjustments and counters and he designs smart small ball lineups and plays. Part of it though is roster construction. We need more 2/3 wings and I think one good point guard.

Part of Hornacek's challenge will be to convince Melo, KP, Rolo that the team will work best with only two of them on the floor at a given time. The big part of that will be convincing Melo he's best at the 4 at this point in his career. Melo is a perfect small ball 4 and KP is a perfect small ball 5. Rolo will be great to have around for specific matchups - the way the Warriors use Bogut.

If we add some pieces like Evan Turner, Brandon Jennings, Courtney Lee, Kent Bazemore - two of those four guys (and keep Dwill), I think they can be really good. I'd love to see them draft a 2/3 in the second round - Gbinije would be awesome and it seems like they are looking at those types. That'd be good - pay some FA vets to play those roles and bring in a kid or two to try to pop there, too. I suppose there's a chance Early comes back with an improved jumper and ready to contribute next season, but I wouldn't count on it.

The Knicks have a talented roster and could make the playoffs if coached right. I am so relieved Hornacek is here, because I think he can figure it out much better than Rambis ever would've.

This a good post, he does set good screens. I do think he can benefit from moving without the ball though to put more pressure on the defense. Problem is he can't guard anyone in the wing and he isn't big or strong enough to defend the post with any real success. He is very much a defensive liability, when he plays hard on defense every once in blue moon his offense becomes atrocious. He just physically can't bring it on both sides of the ball. So a speedier offense requiring even more movement probably won't benefit him.

Another statement of fact brought to you with absolutely no basis in reality. He played the best all around ball of his career last season with a backcourt of pure, unadulterated bull****, almost the worst since we were treated to the likes of the Chris Duhon, Toney Dougless, Ray Felton and the Ghost and Mrs. Kidd shows.

Melo's defense has improved dramatically this past season, he's sharing the ball and still rebounding. His shooting was off due to injury. These are all documented facts.

He can't physically bring it on both sides of the ball? Look at the stats, he was the only one bringing it consistently on both sides of the ball on the team. KP finished second. Rolo is the second hallmark of defense on the team, but his offense is streaky at best compared to He Who According to You Should Go.

How many games did we win this past season without Mr. Liability on Defense again?

I have given him props for playing a facilitator role this last season. But no, by itself that doesn't meet with my expectations of him. Led the team in assists is the fact you state 15 times on every thread? How about he made more money than all the guards on the roster combined? How's that for a fun fukking fact? What dramatic improvement was he showing on defense? How many opposing forwards did he lock down consistently? He was the best player in team of broken ass vets and one stellar rookie and he is the primary reason we can't afford anything but broken ass vets. Bigwhoopdedo.

His contract, that's what you bring to the whoopdedamdoo table? The fact that a multiple time allstar on his way to the HOF makes more money than a collection of some of the documented worst guards we've ever seen on this team? That's your argument? He led the team in three major statistics and you come back with how much money he makes? You really put as much thought into your posting as you do your profile name, don't you?

Your broken ass vets includes Rolo, I guess, right?

Try google and go learn some facts about Melo and his defense this year and then come back and post.

Lol - you call them the wotst ever guards and you jump up and down because he has more assists than them? Your ugly hypocrisy is there for everyone to see.

melo played great-- and i mean fantastic-- for about 30 games... or 35% of the season-- hence it is inarguable that he was overpaid for what he gave the team. it took him about 10 games to "get it" and then the knicks did great for the next 30 games or so, having a .500 record of 20-20 and we were hoping playoffs. then he got hurt and things were very spotty from then on, where he came up with another superb 5 games or so.

but that's only 40 superb games. stoudemire -esque, ironically. hence all the awards and accolades that are cited are fine and dandy but have zero, zilch, nada to do with the value of his contract.

i still like him as a knick but he has to be able to play great and fantastic for more than 35-40 games a season. a big question of he can deliver and at what level.

We are talking about the highest paid player in the league or at least top 5, and we are still "hoping" for him to play well consistently, and now he has turned hero because he put together a half season of what he should be delivering every time he takes the floor? Ok we got 0.5 seasons of value from a 5 year contract, what are we supposed to do worship him?

Yes it is his contract that dictates that he needs to be stellar or fantastic every single game. But his apologists get all bent out of shape if you hold him to a different standard than people making less than a fifth of what he makes.

Actually I am hoping someone else on the team plays consistently well or at least well enough for the team to win a game if he is out. If you have issues with his contract shouldn't you be pissed at the guy that gave him the money and the NTC? I think Walsh was horrible in ny and part of that was the Amare signing. I dont blame Amare. But the Knicks won despite Amare's deal and Amare not being able to play for almost the entire season.

Why don't we expect him to play consistently well when he is in? And yes I am pissed at Phil for bringing him back. I said over and over again we should have traded him or let someone else overpay for him. Giving him the NTC was completely fokked up.
Not only didn't anyone else even make an offer we went and outbid ourselves. Typical Knicks.

Yeah I kinda agree Phil screwed up, the NTC is holding the Knicks hostage. I don't know why some are expecting Melo to have better numbers next year. He is in decline and when players are in decline numbers don't get better. Phil needs to sit down with Melo and be blunt and tell him that they want to trade him ask him what destination he prefers and try to make things happen.

Melo can most certainly shoot a higher % next year. This notion that he's aging is a bit overdone. Melo n Lebron are the same age and DWade has less tread on his tires but has been really good at his age. Melo just needs to focus on his passing and getting back to shooting 3's like he did in the 54 win season. Age isn't gonna take away his jumper.

Vmart wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

dk7th wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

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Vmart wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Vmart wrote:Time will tell how happy Melo is. MDA played a fast pace ran him out of town for a slower paced Woodson who catered to isoball. Hornacek likes motion from all his players. I don't think Melo is a motion offense player.

I think Melo is just happy it's not Rambis. You see Rambis played with superstars in his career some of the best all time. He probably expected more from Melo but Melo quickly realized he wasn't anything close to Magic, Kareem or Worthy.

This guy is getting old and he wants to play a fast pace. Time will tell.

More recently, Melo has also shown his willingness to adapt. Passed the ball a lot more to get himself into a team philosophy and it helped.

That was the roll MDA wanted him to play a facilitator which lead to unhappy Melo.

That was a very bad reaction by Melo. I do think he has matured since then. I believe Melo will be fully behind this move and will support Horn fully. More importantly, the entire team should respond to an easier style of play that still has the same kind of ball and player movement but in an easier form to grasp.

Like I said I don't think Melo is a motion offense player. He moves only when the ball is in his hand he doesn't do Reggie Miller running off screens or cutting to the basket for easy baskets. He has slowed down a lot and you can see it. I don't know how you guys are speeding the game up for a player who is slowing down.

I'm guaranteeing a unhappy Melo by mid season.

Melo is one of the only guys on the team who sets good screens. It's hard to tell though because our guards are so bad at taking advantage of them. He freed up Calderon for countless mid-range jumpers this season though.

Melo got mad at MDA because when Melo went out with injury, MDA turned the team over to Lin and scapegoated Melo for the team's struggles pre-Lin. I think it was lame of MDA to do that and also lame how Melo reacted. They both blamed each other, when the real reason that team struggled was Amar'e and Melo were a terrible fit next to one another.

I think the real issue with the 15-16 Knicks was that we can't really have the big frontcourt on the floor for long stretches - Melo, KP, Rolo. Melo is essentially a 4 at this point. You saw last season as teams figured out they had to play the Knicks small that NYK played best when it was either Melo/KP at the 4/5 or Melo/Rolo 4/5. The big lineup of Melo, KP, Rolo won't work if teams go small.

I like Hornacek because I've seen him make good in game adjustments and counters and he designs smart small ball lineups and plays. Part of it though is roster construction. We need more 2/3 wings and I think one good point guard.

Part of Hornacek's challenge will be to convince Melo, KP, Rolo that the team will work best with only two of them on the floor at a given time. The big part of that will be convincing Melo he's best at the 4 at this point in his career. Melo is a perfect small ball 4 and KP is a perfect small ball 5. Rolo will be great to have around for specific matchups - the way the Warriors use Bogut.

If we add some pieces like Evan Turner, Brandon Jennings, Courtney Lee, Kent Bazemore - two of those four guys (and keep Dwill), I think they can be really good. I'd love to see them draft a 2/3 in the second round - Gbinije would be awesome and it seems like they are looking at those types. That'd be good - pay some FA vets to play those roles and bring in a kid or two to try to pop there, too. I suppose there's a chance Early comes back with an improved jumper and ready to contribute next season, but I wouldn't count on it.

The Knicks have a talented roster and could make the playoffs if coached right. I am so relieved Hornacek is here, because I think he can figure it out much better than Rambis ever would've.

This a good post, he does set good screens. I do think he can benefit from moving without the ball though to put more pressure on the defense. Problem is he can't guard anyone in the wing and he isn't big or strong enough to defend the post with any real success. He is very much a defensive liability, when he plays hard on defense every once in blue moon his offense becomes atrocious. He just physically can't bring it on both sides of the ball. So a speedier offense requiring even more movement probably won't benefit him.

Another statement of fact brought to you with absolutely no basis in reality. He played the best all around ball of his career last season with a backcourt of pure, unadulterated bull****, almost the worst since we were treated to the likes of the Chris Duhon, Toney Dougless, Ray Felton and the Ghost and Mrs. Kidd shows.

Melo's defense has improved dramatically this past season, he's sharing the ball and still rebounding. His shooting was off due to injury. These are all documented facts.

He can't physically bring it on both sides of the ball? Look at the stats, he was the only one bringing it consistently on both sides of the ball on the team. KP finished second. Rolo is the second hallmark of defense on the team, but his offense is streaky at best compared to He Who According to You Should Go.

How many games did we win this past season without Mr. Liability on Defense again?

I have given him props for playing a facilitator role this last season. But no, by itself that doesn't meet with my expectations of him. Led the team in assists is the fact you state 15 times on every thread? How about he made more money than all the guards on the roster combined? How's that for a fun fukking fact? What dramatic improvement was he showing on defense? How many opposing forwards did he lock down consistently? He was the best player in team of broken ass vets and one stellar rookie and he is the primary reason we can't afford anything but broken ass vets. Bigwhoopdedo.

His contract, that's what you bring to the whoopdedamdoo table? The fact that a multiple time allstar on his way to the HOF makes more money than a collection of some of the documented worst guards we've ever seen on this team? That's your argument? He led the team in three major statistics and you come back with how much money he makes? You really put as much thought into your posting as you do your profile name, don't you?

Your broken ass vets includes Rolo, I guess, right?

Try google and go learn some facts about Melo and his defense this year and then come back and post.

Lol - you call them the wotst ever guards and you jump up and down because he has more assists than them? Your ugly hypocrisy is there for everyone to see.

melo played great-- and i mean fantastic-- for about 30 games... or 35% of the season-- hence it is inarguable that he was overpaid for what he gave the team. it took him about 10 games to "get it" and then the knicks did great for the next 30 games or so, having a .500 record of 20-20 and we were hoping playoffs. then he got hurt and things were very spotty from then on, where he came up with another superb 5 games or so.

but that's only 40 superb games. stoudemire -esque, ironically. hence all the awards and accolades that are cited are fine and dandy but have zero, zilch, nada to do with the value of his contract.

i still like him as a knick but he has to be able to play great and fantastic for more than 35-40 games a season. a big question of he can deliver and at what level.

We are talking about the highest paid player in the league or at least top 5, and we are still "hoping" for him to play well consistently, and now he has turned hero because he put together a half season of what he should be delivering every time he takes the floor? Ok we got 0.5 seasons of value from a 5 year contract, what are we supposed to do worship him?

Yes it is his contract that dictates that he needs to be stellar or fantastic every single game. But his apologists get all bent out of shape if you hold him to a different standard than people making less than a fifth of what he makes.

Actually I am hoping someone else on the team plays consistently well or at least well enough for the team to win a game if he is out. If you have issues with his contract shouldn't you be pissed at the guy that gave him the money and the NTC? I think Walsh was horrible in ny and part of that was the Amare signing. I dont blame Amare. But the Knicks won despite Amare's deal and Amare not being able to play for almost the entire season.

Why don't we expect him to play consistently well when he is in? And yes I am pissed at Phil for bringing him back. I said over and over again we should have traded him or let someone else overpay for him. Giving him the NTC was completely fokked up.
Not only didn't anyone else even make an offer we went and outbid ourselves. Typical Knicks.

Yeah I kinda agree Phil screwed up, the NTC is holding the Knicks hostage. I don't viknow why some are expecting Melo to have better numbers next year. He is in decline and when players are in decline numbers don't get better. Phil needs to sit down with Melo and be blunt and tell him that they want to trade him ask him what destination he prefers and try to make things happen.