nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Crabbe at 15m or/and Fournier at near the Max. Looking at Horn's it had a lot of motion and Crabbe is one of the best young players that move without the ball and he was the same way in college. The key to Crabbe growing as a player is developing the ability to attack closeouts and become a capable PnR ball handler. Basically he needs to go to Klay Thompson school. He'll likely never become a great ball hanler but if he keeps up the shooting he has shown it will create easy opportunities for 2 dribble drives as opponents over play him for the 3.

Fournier is further along offensively and probably fits better as a 2 and not the 3 like Orlando moved him to. Evan's issue is defense but I think his defensive issues could be subdued at the 2 were he won't get bullied by bigger 3s. Evan is younger and still needs to get stronger but he is a very promising player

Do you think that ORL would let Fournier walk? He's a RFA, which leads me to believe they'd match any offer especially with them not having any heir apparent max-caliber players.

0/100 Chance

There are other low hanging fruit RFA's to go after. I like Fournier but he's not one of the more gettable guys. I think Phil will focus on guys that he has a chance to actually get, whether UFA or RFA. Agents have no doubt contacted Phil to let him know of their player's interest. This is a good spot given our holes at guard.

A lot of (RFA guards) Agents will contact Phil for offseason media attention to negotiate resigning early in the offseason. Phil two offseason in getting us a pair of veteran starter guards has graded a "F" for Failure.
Phil graded a B- minus in getting us guards Grant and Gallo first full season in the NBA.

Grant and Gallo should come off the bench next season as a tandem back-court pair for Hornacek
Phil gave away Shump & JR for nothing in return, Phil should do the same thing in offseason with Calderon n Afflalo

Kemet wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Crabbe at 15m or/and Fournier at near the Max. Looking at Horn's it had a lot of motion and Crabbe is one of the best young players that move without the ball and he was the same way in college. The key to Crabbe growing as a player is developing the ability to attack closeouts and become a capable PnR ball handler. Basically he needs to go to Klay Thompson school. He'll likely never become a great ball hanler but if he keeps up the shooting he has shown it will create easy opportunities for 2 dribble drives as opponents over play him for the 3.

Fournier is further along offensively and probably fits better as a 2 and not the 3 like Orlando moved him to. Evan's issue is defense but I think his defensive issues could be subdued at the 2 were he won't get bullied by bigger 3s. Evan is younger and still needs to get stronger but he is a very promising player

Do you think that ORL would let Fournier walk? He's a RFA, which leads me to believe they'd match any offer especially with them not having any heir apparent max-caliber players.

0/100 Chance

There are other low hanging fruit RFA's to go after. I like Fournier but he's not one of the more gettable guys. I think Phil will focus on guys that he has a chance to actually get, whether UFA or RFA. Agents have no doubt contacted Phil to let him know of their player's interest. This is a good spot given our holes at guard.

A lot of (RFA guards) Agents will contact Phil for offseason media attention to negotiate resigning early in the offseason. Phil two offseason in getting us a pair of veteran starter guards has graded a "F" for Failure.
Phil graded a B- minus in getting us guards Grant and Gallo first full season in the NBA.

Grant and Gallo should come off the bench next season as a tandem back-court pair for Hornacek
Phil gave away Shump & JR for nothing in return, Phil should do the same thing in offseason with Calderon n Afflalo

The way I look at it, this team not having great guards right now, opens up opportunities to find the right guys. This is a new day and perhaps you should consider the may positive aspects of where the Knicks franchise is currently. Reflecting on the past is fine but at some point you have to live in the present and plan for the future.

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nychamp wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I've said this before that we should just add a legit SG this off season and go with Wroten/Grant at PG next season which will tell us if one of or both of them can step up and be a starting PG for us and having Hornacek will only help and if neither one show they can be a full time starter then the following off season is loaded with legit PG's and with the cap going up another $18/$20 mil we can get our PG of the future and Grant/Wroten can be really good athletic guards to come off the bench and give us instant offense with the 2nd team and both can play either guard spot as well.

This seems best to me too. Eyes potentially on Westbrook next offseason, but secure a solid starting SG this offseason and see how the team develops.

DeRozan would be a good fit here and maybe he makes a move if Lowry continues self destructing. I'd love to one up Toronto just once...

I think Derozan ends up with the Lakers.

only if its at the right price. Don't think the lakers would over pay for him.

The Lakers would absolutely over pay for him. They have $60 million in cap space and if they can get a legit SG like Derozan to come there they'll pay for that.

One problem with that is DeRozan could/would take them out of the potential KD/Westbrook dream combo signing in 2017. If Durant re-ups on a 2 year deal with 1-year opt out he and Westbrook hit the market together next summer.

Kemet wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Crabbe at 15m or/and Fournier at near the Max. Looking at Horn's it had a lot of motion and Crabbe is one of the best young players that move without the ball and he was the same way in college. The key to Crabbe growing as a player is developing the ability to attack closeouts and become a capable PnR ball handler. Basically he needs to go to Klay Thompson school. He'll likely never become a great ball hanler but if he keeps up the shooting he has shown it will create easy opportunities for 2 dribble drives as opponents over play him for the 3.

Fournier is further along offensively and probably fits better as a 2 and not the 3 like Orlando moved him to. Evan's issue is defense but I think his defensive issues could be subdued at the 2 were he won't get bullied by bigger 3s. Evan is younger and still needs to get stronger but he is a very promising player

Do you think that ORL would let Fournier walk? He's a RFA, which leads me to believe they'd match any offer especially with them not having any heir apparent max-caliber players.

0/100 Chance

There are other low hanging fruit RFA's to go after. I like Fournier but he's not one of the more gettable guys. I think Phil will focus on guys that he has a chance to actually get, whether UFA or RFA. Agents have no doubt contacted Phil to let him know of their player's interest. This is a good spot given our holes at guard.

A lot of (RFA guards) Agents will contact Phil for offseason media attention to negotiate resigning early in the offseason. Phil two offseason in getting us a pair of veteran starter guards has graded a "F" for Failure.
Phil graded a B- minus in getting us guards Grant and Gallo first full season in the NBA.

Grant and Gallo should come off the bench next season as a tandem back-court pair for Hornacek
Phil gave away Shump & JR for nothing in return, Phil should do the same thing in offseason with Calderon n Afflalo

I agree with Briggs about Agents for guards potentially contacting Phil. Especially if their client isn't a starter and is looking for room to grow. I think players knowing the knicks need guards is going to make it easy to target guys. I also think the knicks are aware of the talent in PG's in 2017. Its good enough to make a year of Wroten/Grant worth a try and if it actually works out that's even better.

Also I don't think Grant and Wroten need to be amazing PG's next season for them to be starter quality guards. They are both big/fast guys who can drive very well and potentially could be very good defenders for their position. I am expecting them to see heavy minutes on the floor together. They are both SG sized PG, and Horn has experience using those in Phoenix. All they need to do really is just acquire a better 3 pt shooters to play with all of them (and keep opponents from just game planning to keep the knicks guards from driving). Gallo could see minutes too in the back court, but I would hope the knicks get a starting PG to play with their best PG on the roster.

Potentially a line up of

Wroten (or Grant)
SG 3pt shooter
Melo
KP
Rolo

Would be enough of a threat of outside shooting to keep opposing defenders out of the paint. This would create better opportunities for Wroten/Rolo PnR's, RoLo blocking his man out to help and create a lane for a PG to drive (wroten/Grants strengths), or for a drive and kick out to the shooters, I also think it would help with posting and post pass opportunities.