MaTT4281 wrote:

franco12 wrote:stop - not a position we need- we're fine with ROLO - Dwight doesn't bring that much of an upgrade so no reason to sign and then trade ROLO.

Focus should be 100000% on the backcourt/wing type shooter/slasher/penetrator.

Agreed. Rolo picked up the triangle over the course of the year and played one of the more important roles in it. Can Dwight fill those shoes? I'd rather keep some continuity.

I'm not anxious for the traveling circus to stop in NY either.

Let's look at guards.

yes, please. it is amazing how many want a big. why? it makes no sense. Bonn posted some numbers that I agreed with showing if we had an average backcourt we would have won 4 more games. I would have been much more satisfied with a 36-46 team than a 32-50, and also more optimistic for next season

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I can't stand the guy but he's still a strong big. Top 3 rebounder at 11.8. Top 2 FG% at 62%. Top 15 blocks at 1.59. Only 1.4 assists but that could be better if he buys into the Triangle. He should given the number of touches he'd get. Unlike playing with Harden this style would involve him a lot more.

It is intriguing. Would be like Rodman or Artest a malcontent but turned around

Big issue is Phil was the coach /horse-whisperer then

Whoever is coaching for us (Vogel please) would have to tell Howard to focus/dominate on D

Maybe we flip rolo for draft pick?

this... I think what people are missing in a Dwight scenario is how valuable Rolo is. Great contract, can anchor a defense and does tons of things to make the team better. Rolo will never be able to dominate a game like Howard does.

Boston is desperate for a guy like Rolo. Give me Crowder and pick 16 for Rolo, max out Dwight for 4 years.

I am not a Dwight fan at all, but this gives the Knicks nice potential, another pick to build up the roster and a young player part of the long term. The idea is simple, compete now, and build up the roster. Knicks need to be better and make the playoffs. At the end of Dwight's deal KP would be 24-25. Then its his squad and he will have some players that have been around for a couple years and have grown together. Willy, Grant, Wroten, Early... how knows how many or who pans out, but you build it now, you compete for a couple years, you get the younger guys in the playoffs and playing meaningful games and after 4 years its the next generation of Knicks.

Its a plan. Really comes down to what we can get for Rolo

I love Crowder and would love to have him but i'd really like to get Avery Bradley from them.

Totally agree he's clown, its a bad chemistry move and in many ways Rolo is a better player. There is def risk.

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I can't stand the guy but he's still a strong big. Top 3 rebounder at 11.8. Top 2 FG% at 62%. Top 15 blocks at 1.59. Only 1.4 assists but that could be better if he buys into the Triangle. He should given the number of touches he'd get. Unlike playing with Harden this style would involve him a lot more.

It is intriguing. Would be like Rodman or Artest a malcontent but turned around

Big issue is Phil was the coach /horse-whisperer then

Whoever is coaching for us (Vogel please) would have to tell Howard to focus/dominate on D

Maybe we flip rolo for draft pick?

this... I think what people are missing in a Dwight scenario is how valuable Rolo is. Great contract, can anchor a defense and does tons of things to make the team better. Rolo will never be able to dominate a game like Howard does.

Boston is desperate for a guy like Rolo. Give me Crowder and pick 16 for Rolo, max out Dwight for 4 years.

I am not a Dwight fan at all, but this gives the Knicks nice potential, another pick to build up the roster and a young player part of the long term. The idea is simple, compete now, and build up the roster. Knicks need to be better and make the playoffs. At the end of Dwight's deal KP would be 24-25. Then its his squad and he will have some players that have been around for a couple years and have grown together. Willy, Grant, Wroten, Early... how knows how many or who pans out, but you build it now, you compete for a couple years, you get the younger guys in the playoffs and playing meaningful games and after 4 years its the next generation of Knicks.

Its a plan. Really comes down to what we can get for Rolo

I love Crowder and would love to have him but i'd really like to get Avery Bradley from them.

Rolo is a valuable team player that Dwight will never be.

25 years of chasing "stars" and being a bottom dweller in the worst conference in basketball, wasn't enough for some people. I guess this willing suspension of reality is a faith based belief system of it's own. There will always be people who salivate over stars and there'll always be people that want the Knicks to succeed with or without stars. And there'll always be the same debates being rehashed.

BORING

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I can't stand the guy but he's still a strong big. Top 3 rebounder at 11.8. Top 2 FG% at 62%. Top 15 blocks at 1.59. Only 1.4 assists but that could be better if he buys into the Triangle. He should given the number of touches he'd get. Unlike playing with Harden this style would involve him a lot more.

It is intriguing. Would be like Rodman or Artest a malcontent but turned around

Big issue is Phil was the coach /horse-whisperer then

Whoever is coaching for us (Vogel please) would have to tell Howard to focus/dominate on D

Maybe we flip rolo for draft pick?

this... I think what people are missing in a Dwight scenario is how valuable Rolo is. Great contract, can anchor a defense and does tons of things to make the team better. Rolo will never be able to dominate a game like Howard does.

Boston is desperate for a guy like Rolo. Give me Crowder and pick 16 for Rolo, max out Dwight for 4 years.

I am not a Dwight fan at all, but this gives the Knicks nice potential, another pick to build up the roster and a young player part of the long term. The idea is simple, compete now, and build up the roster. Knicks need to be better and make the playoffs. At the end of Dwight's deal KP would be 24-25. Then its his squad and he will have some players that have been around for a couple years and have grown together. Willy, Grant, Wroten, Early... how knows how many or who pans out, but you build it now, you compete for a couple years, you get the younger guys in the playoffs and playing meaningful games and after 4 years its the next generation of Knicks.

Its a plan. Really comes down to what we can get for Rolo

I love Crowder and would love to have him but i'd really like to get Avery Bradley from them.

Rolo is a valuable team player that Dwight will never be.

25 years of chasing "stars" and being a bottom dweller in the worst conference in basketball, wasn't enough for some people. I guess this willing suspension of reality is a faith based belief system of it's own. There will always be people who salivate over stars and there'll always be people that want the Knicks to succeed with or without stars. And there'll always be the same debates being rehashed.

BORING

I am not defending Howard, he's a douche and not my kind of player, but his market and value are higher than Lopez. If you don't think so you are not reality based. This is the NBA.

meloshouldgo wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I can't stand the guy but he's still a strong big. Top 3 rebounder at 11.8. Top 2 FG% at 62%. Top 15 blocks at 1.59. Only 1.4 assists but that could be better if he buys into the Triangle. He should given the number of touches he'd get. Unlike playing with Harden this style would involve him a lot more.

It is intriguing. Would be like Rodman or Artest a malcontent but turned around

Big issue is Phil was the coach /horse-whisperer then

Whoever is coaching for us (Vogel please) would have to tell Howard to focus/dominate on D

Maybe we flip rolo for draft pick?

this... I think what people are missing in a Dwight scenario is how valuable Rolo is. Great contract, can anchor a defense and does tons of things to make the team better. Rolo will never be able to dominate a game like Howard does.

Boston is desperate for a guy like Rolo. Give me Crowder and pick 16 for Rolo, max out Dwight for 4 years.

I am not a Dwight fan at all, but this gives the Knicks nice potential, another pick to build up the roster and a young player part of the long term. The idea is simple, compete now, and build up the roster. Knicks need to be better and make the playoffs. At the end of Dwight's deal KP would be 24-25. Then its his squad and he will have some players that have been around for a couple years and have grown together. Willy, Grant, Wroten, Early... how knows how many or who pans out, but you build it now, you compete for a couple years, you get the younger guys in the playoffs and playing meaningful games and after 4 years its the next generation of Knicks.

Its a plan. Really comes down to what we can get for Rolo

I love Crowder and would love to have him but i'd really like to get Avery Bradley from them.

Rolo is a valuable team player that Dwight will never be.

25 years of chasing "stars" and being a bottom dweller in the worst conference in basketball, wasn't enough for some people. I guess this willing suspension of reality is a faith based belief system of it's own. There will always be people who salivate over stars and there'll always be people that want the Knicks to succeed with or without stars. And there'll always be the same debates being rehashed.

BORING

...almost as boring as reading the non-stop, blind hate posted here.

By the way, the Celtics, Lakers, Heat called. They want you to polish their rings with their leftover starphucque's saliva. Oh, and look! two of those teams come from the worst conference in basketball.

Does it ever occur to you, in your little Melo hate hole, that there's only two conferences? Whining about being the worst out of two conferences makes a whole lot of sense to you?

And there will always be those who hate for no reason, who spout whining, beeyatching "facts" (Does winning the division and 54 games constitute bottom dwelling?), and embrace their negativity as some sort of badge of "true" fandom.

martin wrote:The question for me would be how much would you pay for Dwight? $15M? $18M? $20M?

Does he want to win? Last big contract?

IMHO he is not a max player any more and because of his back, going on a 4+ year contract is insane. 3 years starting at $18 and I'm in. $20M at 4 years and I'd think long and hard about it.

$18mill total or $18mill a year?!?!?

When you think about it, he's really not worth the trouble at any dollar amount. Especially since you have Sub him at the end of games due to his inability to hit free throws. And even if Silver does tweak the rule to penalize Hack-a-Dwight, you simply cannot afford to have Howard at the end of close games or if teams go Small ball on you and put a Stretch 5 out there.

He's simply a dinosaur in today's NBA. Doesn't have the explosion he used to have like a Drummond or Deandre, and commands way too much for what he does provide when he manages to stay healthy. Can't hit anything past 10 feet in, so there goes the Pick and Pop playbook....just too many negatives to say he'd be a fit on any team besides a contender.