what happened to all that?

anrst wrote:But I thought Phil was getting 12m per year in large part bc he has the cache to attract big name stars?

what happened to all that?

The big factor is the media. Players don't want to play in NY. They simply don't want the headache that comes with playing here. Especially when others offer the same money.

nyk4ever wrote:

Vmart wrote:

anrst wrote:But I thought Phil was getting 12m per year in large part bc he has the cache to attract big name stars?

what happened to all that?

The big factor is the media. Players don't want to play in NY. They simply don't want the headache that comes with playing here. Especially when others offer the same money.

has any free-agent actually said that?

Has any big name free agent come here unless the Knicks vastly over pay?

ChuckBuck wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We will have to act fast and overpay, simple as that. People will be mad about us overpaying some role player, but its necessary.

with a salary cap this is a recipe for ruin

I would like one example where this has ever worked. Pure pablum for an impatient fan base

agree, unless that is a core player. A guy like Batum would be a max overpay, but also a core player moving forward. Prefer that over overpaying for role players that don't move the needle.

Couldn't you argue we overpaid for Robin Lopez, and I don't think he would take this the wrong way - but he is a role player?

RoLo is a role player. A good soldier, good locker room guy but nonetheless still a role player borderline starter.

He's merely warming the center spot until KP's frame fills in.

Very true, and Rolo is durable. He would also command a nice return if traded as he also has a good contract.
Media will blast Phil if he does not make a big "Splash". NY papers love big name signings!!!
Rolo was a great signing.

Miami has a lot of cap space. This is when they are ready to strike.

nyk4ever wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Vmart wrote:

anrst wrote:But I thought Phil was getting 12m per year in large part bc he has the cache to attract big name stars?

what happened to all that?

The big factor is the media. Players don't want to play in NY. They simply don't want the headache that comes with playing here. Especially when others offer the same money.

has any free-agent actually said that?

Has any big name free agent come here unless the Knicks vastly over pay?

well what is it? the knicks overpaid for FA or none have ever come here? carmelo chose to come to NY. amar'e and allan houston were big FA signings. the knicks haven't had capspace very many times in the last 30 years.

We over paid for a FA. Amare no other team wanted him and the Knicks do what they do best over paid which is about the only way a FA comes here. At least they got a good 8 months out of the 5 year deal. I'm still waiting on a big time FA. If other teams are involved and in Amare's case just the Knicks and they have the same target with the same amount of money to work with you know the deal. Its destination somewhere else.

Because we live here we seem to be a little delusional about NYC. For the players NYC is a fun spot they come here have a good time when ever they want and they go back to their respective cities. We like NY because we don't have to deal with scrutiny the players do and you have media who love drama and create drama and take minor things and blow it out of proportion.

nixluva wrote:I really have moved on from this notion that we have to land top FA's. If it happens fine but really the more realistic path is to hunt for up and coming young studs that fit the future path of our roster. This is not a team that has to sell out for a "Win Now" approach.

After last years draft this team is now a team with a young developing core. They can win games while developing but we don't have to get all bent out of shape if no top FA signs here this summer.

Yeah I have moved on too. NY isn't a destination that players crave to be in. I really believe they think it is more trouble than anything else. Frankly in their situation I would think twice about NY.

crzymdups wrote:So we've moved on from trying to get both the top coaches and the top players to come to NY?

And you guys accuse me of being a battered Knicks fan? Y'all act like you got Stockholm Syndrome somtimes.

Of COURSE the top players want to play in New York. But they want to WIN. They aren't gonna come to be embarrassed.

You're totally misreading the point. We don't NEED to be fixated on only the top tier FA's. This team is now set up for the future. There will come a time when this team again becomes a desirable destination for any FA. Right now Phil has been trying to build up the team to that point with smart smaller moves.

Once we drafted KP that focus of the franchise switched from only Win Now to building around KP. Last years draft was a signal. KP, Grant and Willy are all about the future of this team. What would be the point of a developmental player with upside like Wroten?

I find it funny as well that some tend to ignore the way Phil handled the D League team. He got a very good coach and things really turned around for that team. The results of an ongoing developmental program are not always instant!!! Some degree of patience has to be demonstrated.

Vmart wrote:

crzymdups wrote:So we've moved on from trying to get both the top coaches and the top players to come to NY?

And you guys accuse me of being a battered Knicks fan? Y'all act like you got Stockholm Syndrome somtimes.

Of COURSE the top players want to play in New York. But they want to WIN. They aren't gonna come to be embarrassed.

No they don't. They don't want to play here what winning program was Monroe going to? You keep believing that players want to play here. No one wants the headache of NY media. The marginal players come here only because lack of interest from other teams or Knicks can give them a little more because the marginal players have room for negotiations.

Monroe specifically said he went to the Bucks because he thought they had a better chance to be a winning team. Bucks made the playoffs last year and were a big disappointment this year - partially because of Monroe. Partially because MCW is terrible, especially compared to Brandon Knight.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:So we've moved on from trying to get both the top coaches and the top players to come to NY?

And you guys accuse me of being a battered Knicks fan? Y'all act like you got Stockholm Syndrome somtimes.

Of COURSE the top players want to play in New York. But they want to WIN. They aren't gonna come to be embarrassed.

You're totally misreading the point. We don't NEED to be fixated on only the top tier FA's. This team is now set up for the future. There will come a time when this team again becomes a desirable destination for any FA. Right now Phil has been trying to build up the team to that point with smart smaller moves.

Once we drafted KP that focus of the franchise switched from only Win Now to building around KP. Last years draft was a signal. KP, Grant and Willy are all about the future of this team. What would be the point of a developmental player with upside like Wroten?

I find it funny as well that some tend to ignore the way Phil handled the D League team. He got a very good coach and things really turned around for that team. The results of an ongoing developmental program are not always instant!!! Some degree of patience has to be demonstrated.

Only on the Knicks is one good rookie a good young core.

If the Knicks have a good young core and don't need to worry about building up the roster, what would you call the T'Wolves roster?

"Last years draft was a signal" lololololol. I give up.

T'Wolves have great young talent but what does that have to do with the Knicks? They've also been at it longer than the Knicks. We had one draft with our #1 pick and won't have one this year. It's a totally different situation. Phil has had 2 drafts and only one top pick, which thank God was a good one. The fact that he came away with 6 players is a sign of his commitment to getting young talent. Not to mention the UDFA's like Gallo and Trice.