Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

Vogel is who the media and fans want to Phil to hire,..for all we know Vogel isn't even on Phil's mind at all

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

Vogel is who the media and fans want to Phil to hire,..for all we know Vogel isn't even on Phil's mind at all

But I asked who you want? Before you criticize say who your preferred coach candidate is? My point is/was Phil was criticized for not being hyper-aggressive and signing Thibs, Luke, Brooks etc. and as we now can see it may have been the smartest move all along. We have to consider that perhaps he knew Vogel was a possibility (indeed it's silly to think he didn't know of this) and has been waiting patiently all along while the media and critics acted like fools.

And for the record, I am SUPER happy he passed on Thibs and Brooks. I was very intrigued by Luke but he (apparently like Kerr) didn't want the east coast. Don't misinterpret that as he didn't want Phil, the triangle, or the KNicks. Kerr had agree to it, but backed out because a Cali offer came in and he preferred the west coast. Sucks but what are you going to do about that. It wasn't about money or anything else we could control.

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

Chandler wrote:did you read that article?

"Phil Jackson and company reportedly made an initial offer of three years and $13 million to Kerr. The TNT analyst ended up signing a five-year, $22 million deal with the Warriors, and Berman believes the Knicks could have locked Kerr down if they didn’t play hardball from the start."

DO the math. 4.33 milion/year versus 4.4

It was being close to his family, a better roster, and you could argue contract length. It wasn't low ball. That's Berman's spin and now yours. You keep great company. Great for credibility

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:did you read that article?

"Phil Jackson and company reportedly made an initial offer of three years and $13 million to Kerr. The TNT analyst ended up signing a five-year, $22 million deal with the Warriors, and Berman believes the Knicks could have locked Kerr down if they didn’t play hardball from the start."

DO the math. 4.33 milion/year versus 4.4

It was being close to his family, a better roster, and you could argue contract length. It wasn't low ball. That's Berman's spin and now yours. You keep great company. Great for credibility

you beat me.

sorry about that

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

Too funny. Why do you keep searching out misinformation. I don't get why a stat guy continually relies on fiction for his sources.

love how the police decides what is misinformation, and you want stats? Kerr offered 3 x 13 while fisher got 5 x 25.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:I'm in the camp that Phil can do what he wants. He probably wants to hear what mills has to say and maybe Dolan and I think he's smart enough to know that melo, thought being skilled, seemingly committed to NYK, and willing to change his game is fundamentally not that smart

If he's interested in Vogel he will be talking w him very soon. Frankly I don't think Phil cares one iota whether the media knows or doesn't know about such reach out. He's interested in winning, not media approval. NY media is horrible. I e never seen such consistently negative over-the-top criticism of a home team

If Vogel is interested in NYK he'll wait for Phil. Some team being the first to call means next to nothing. If it means more than that then we wouldn't want the guy anyway

Realize this is a long way of saying people should chill and this will unfold.

Personally I hope we sign him. He's the real deal. Better than thibs IMO and wo the warts.

And I think his best coaching is in front of him.

me too, and don't be surprised if Dolan and Phil are all reveling in the negative media attention. I find these guys who think Phil is doing this whole thing to "validate the triangle" to be insane. However I will tell you one thing I could see Phil really enjoying, and that is sticking it to the media. Same with Dolan. For all we know they already have the framework of something in place and are laughing their asses off at how from reality these reports are.

Or maybe this is the end. But Dolan doesn't have a quick trigger. He sticks with guys too long, and Phil has brought him Porzingis, a jersey selling cash cow unicorn.

How long is he going to hang his hat on KP. it never looks right when a President is on vcay, and things at the wrk place is all jacked up....Weather it's the president of a sports franchise or country, your image will take a hit.

Even if he wanted to take a break, why tweet about for a 10 media outlet and a 100 bloggers market place.

Jackson gives the media stuff to right about with all his weird moves he makes.

I can't understand why some of you are babying phil like the media has it out for him. He knew exactly what he was going to have to deal with when he took this job.

Maybe if he stops doing all the weird sht and conduct business like a normal GM/prez, he wont get beat down in the papers, he's just way to cynical IMO.

It could be the case Phil doesn't care what you think, or the media thinks, and frankly I applaud him for that. Vogel is a superior candidate to any of the other candidates mentioned -- and maybe he knew all along that Vogel's contract was coming up and there was a reasonable possibility he would be available. Wouldn't you expect GMs (or Mills) to know that from Vogel's agent if nothing else?
If you weren't so quick to criticize his every move, and stopped to think once in while before you speak, maybe you would appreciate that his patience thus far has been great for us.
Thibs wears out his players faster than he wears out his welcome. He had a good run with the Bulls with a stacked line-up that he eventually ran into the ground. Vogel has done more with less, his players like him, his players have played better on his teams than they've played elsewhere, he's only 42, burned no bridges, burned-out no players, and seems more than open to a triangle-influenced offense. He praised Phil and Shaw and didn't sound like a dick or suck-up doing so. And though Bird just fired him, it was without animosity.

Phils patience has been good for us in what way? Most fans and the media (the same media that first linked vogel to the knicks because of his admiration for phil) are judging phil on what his done as knick president so far, which isn't much

Then there are those that are judging him on what you hope his going to do, that's the optimistic fan. The same fan that will say be patient, then criticize the melo signing..smh..talk about flip flop...

I like everything phil has done, except when it comes to the coach. It's like he built a solid car, and put a lousy driver behind the wheel.

and your limo driver would be who, Kerr? We tried that -- Kerr backed out and Phil was honorable about that?

Thibs or Walton? Good choices but vogel is better than Thibs, Walton is unknown and seemingly wanted to stay on west coast

it;s easy to criticize; it's difficult to synthesize

maybe if phil would not have lowballed his buddy than he would not be in this sh1tty mess.

you're insufferable. The Kerr situation was not a money situation. That's a fiction you keep repeating.

Kerr preferred to be on the west coast; an 11th hour offer came in from a team with a good core. If you want to criticize anyone on that it should be Kerr. He agreed and backed-out. If it was the lowball thing you say, he wouldn't have agreed in the first place. Indeed a reasonable person would applaud Phil for taking the high road and not crying about it.

Is there an ignore feature for this forum?

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/knicks-lost-steve-kerr-lowball-offer/229762

it was only reported by a million outlets if you know where to find google, Chandler.

nice you posted a link to a site called "Larry Brown sports" which touts this:

According to Marc Berman of the New York Post, the Knicks lost out on Kerr thanks in large part to a lowball offer.

LOL!!!!

In equally reliable news it turns out Saturn is a UFO! A freakin Death Star in our solar backyard!
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48250/saturn-is-a-giant-ufo/

Its in the news! If you learn how to google you too can be empowered with knowledge!

Too funny. Why do you keep searching out misinformation. I don't get why a stat guy continually relies on fiction for his sources.

love how the police decides what is misinformation, and you want stats? Kerr offered 3 x 13 while fisher got 5 x 25.

Phil had to offer Fisher 5years/25mill or he'd lose out on Plan Z of his vaunted triangle tree disciples after Kerr's Plan A, B, and C fell through.

seems very zen like.