crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:I created a thread regarding our Frontcourt.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=54232

You may not appreciate our Frontcourt talent but they're good and should only get better. KP's development and adding Willy. RoLo can also get better.

Saw it ... a bit weak though and again, ignoring some glaring issues.

Why is it weak? That was taking into account a lot of factors and you either are coming out ahead or you're not. This was with poor guard play and a rookie as a key cog. Going forward that shows great promise as we continue to develop and improve our Frontcourt players. I don't understand you pissin on your own team like this. WTF is your issue?

that is your problem. You think that if you are not drinking the koolaid then you are pissin. We think very very differently sir.

Melo is on the down and KP still has a lot to prove even though he looks promising. Rolo is just solid if your other 2 are excellent.

The front line also has no depth, RIGHT??????

The front line still needs lots of work and that is not pissing its easy and simply obvious.

No one is asking you to drink the Kool Aid. How about merely agreeing with the fact that the Knicks Frontcourt was pretty darn good this year!!! You know fans tend to accept when something on their team goes well.

You're talking like I said they were all the way there. They can most certainly improve the quality and depth of the Frontcourt but already they displayed a pretty high level of performance in the 1st year together.

My point is that were in fact pissin on the Knicks and didn't acknowledge anything good about the team. I point out that the Frontcourt was actually good and you immediately cast shade on that point. WTF are you getting at by saying MELO is on the down, KP has a lot to prove as if we don't know this. Thing is they were still pretty damn good this year. They should get better and Phil can still improve the depth. It will be interesting to see what Willy can bring to the table.

I give credit where credit is due.

Melo played unselfish basketball (mostly under fisher).

I bumped the Rolo/Monroe thread 100 times, no?

I love KP more than anyone.

Melo's looks like his shooting legs are 60 years old and he can't really play at the 3 anymore. Rolo needs to play the 4 but has many challenges guarding quicker 4's. KP is being forced in the post and did not close well. If they don't use him the right way, and they were not with Rambis then he will keep taking steps back.

Seraphin and Koq suck azz! LT is a FA and so is DW so it is overall a HUGE question mark!

For starters, we need a coach that can move the team forward yet the best that Phil can do so far is Fisher and Rambis which is pathetic especially while we watch so many good coaches go elsewhere since they don't "click" with the triangle.

Phil either needs to hire a good coach, coach himself, or go back to phucking montana so that we can end this false hope.

RoLo is a 5! He expanded his game which is a credit to Phil and Rambis. Only you would try to drag down what was a good 1st season for RoLo.

Don't know why you say KP is being forced in the post. He is developing his entire game. IMO these nitpick points are BS! You really think these are valid complaints in the overall scheme of things?

I'm pretty damn sure Phil knows the team needs a coach. WTF is this go back to Montana crap? This is why I have issues with you. You think Phil can address the depth in the Frontcourt this summer? He already has Willy coming in and he'll have cap to sign another big.

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from both front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

I don't think that Pop or Riley really have "systems". They implement strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells them (especially with Pop).

We try to say that they are like phil but they are not. LA riley, NY riley and Miami riley were all completely different and there is no "system" that he needs to prove or tie himself to.

Could be. Maybe if they did they'd have more rings.

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from both front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

Phil won a ring with the Bulls his first season. He won a ring with the Lakers his first season.

It took zero time to implement in those places. The Lakers went frickin 67-15.

I think it is safe to say it comes down to talent. Now if the plan is to get a top three pick in 2017, maybe Phil is not wrong. I just don't believe he's in it for that long.

We shall see. I'll try to be less negative. I just see it as a mistake. I'll be more than happy to be wrong. I would love to be wrong.

I don't quite understand what you mean by the bolded?

When you have good talent, it's much easier to implement a system. When you don't, it takes a while. And then you also have to have the front office moving in the same direction as the coach.

Kerr walked into a nice situation; he won big time. Walton is walking into a dramatically different spot, he will not win much any time soon.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from both front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

I don't think that Pop or Riley really have "systems". They implement strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells them (especially with Pop).

We try to say that they are like phil but they are not. LA riley, NY riley and Miami riley were all completely different and there is no "system" that he needs to prove or tie himself to.

Could be. Maybe if they did they'd have more rings.

thats weak and you know it.

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from both front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

I don't think that Pop or Riley really have "systems". They implement strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells them (especially with Pop).

We try to say that they are like phil but they are not. LA riley, NY riley and Miami riley were all completely different and there is no "system" that he needs to prove or tie himself to.

Could be. Maybe if they did they'd have more rings.

thats weak and you know it.

It's funny to me that one of the biggest arguments Ive read against using the Triangle and the success that Phil had with it is that he had Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq/Pau. Across that same time period Pop has had Dave Robinson/Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/Kawhi Leonard. Let's put that argument to rest; generally, EVERY championship team needs the best talent in the league. It means that those coaches with their systems absolutely work and have had a bit of luck along the way (injuries, etc). But is also doesn't mean you can discount it because of that same situation; you don't prove the opposite that way.

If you want to say that Pop implements his strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells him, that's nice (and I don't think it's really based on that but that's another story; those are adjustments within his system, not his system). That's his system of doing things. Riley same way; he has his principals and you bet he sticks by them, it's his way or the highway; maybe it's slow it down or speed it up, but he has his basics too.

Phil's basics are manifested in the offense and how it is formed, but also a lot of other things. The Triangle offense is what we can see and recognize as a name. That's all, but that's not everything.

Pop has been to the finals and won as much as Phil has (as a Laker). Both do things their own way. From 1997 to 2014 seasons (19 years), Pop won 5 times, been to the finals 6. With the Lakers, from 1999 to 2010 (12 years), Phil won 5 times and went to final 7. It's hard to compare talent to talent but both had a TON.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from both front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

I don't think that Pop or Riley really have "systems". They implement strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells them (especially with Pop).

We try to say that they are like phil but they are not. LA riley, NY riley and Miami riley were all completely different and there is no "system" that he needs to prove or tie himself to.

Could be. Maybe if they did they'd have more rings.

thats weak and you know it.

It's funny to me that one of the biggest arguments Ive read against using the Triangle and the success that Phil had with it is that he had Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq/Pau. Across that same time period Pop has had Dave Robinson/Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/Kawhi Leonard. Let's put that argument to rest; generally, EVERY championship team needs the best talent in the league. It means that those coaches with their systems absolutely work and have had a bit of luck along the way (injuries, etc). But is also doesn't mean you can discount it because of that same situation; you don't prove the opposite that way.

If you want to say that Pop implements his strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells him, that's nice (and I don't think it's really based on that but that's another story; those are adjustments within his system, not his system). That's his system of doing things. Riley same way; he has his principals and you bet he sticks by them, it's his way or the highway; maybe it's slow it down or speed it up, but he has his basics too.

Phil's basics are manifested in the offense and how it is formed, but also a lot of other things. The Triangle offense is what we can see and recognize as a name. That's all, but that's not everything.

Pop has been to the finals and won as much as Phil has (as a Laker). Both do things their own way. From 1997 to 2014 seasons (19 years), Pop won 5 times, been to the finals 6. With the Lakers, from 1999 to 2010 (12 years), Phil won 5 times and went to final 7.

nobody is taking anything away from phil as a coach. He was a great coach and we would all love for him to coach here. How would he do with a weak team? That no one has ever seen. He has never been down this road. We know that he can can get the most out of great players and of course that is not easy.

You are comparing Pop's and Riley's coaching principles to phils but it is not nearly the same. Do you think that if Pop or Riley were the GM that they would need a coach that understands a specific offense and that will implement it purely? Of course not. Pop and Riley don't have "offenses". Lets stop comparing them. You are trying to dumb down / normalize what he is doing here as if its not extremely unique but it is extremely unique and its a skill set that is hard to find since no one else has ever had success with it and no one else is willing to try anymore.

I don't care how many rings each of them has, they are all unique situations.

I respect the pre-lebron ring in miami perhaps the most. Nobody expected that one.

I will say this again and I really believe it. I think Phil clearly cares more about proving his system than about the knicks.

Is it possible that phil is wrong and there are much better options out there than his pure version of the triangle? Its like people just can't believe that a guy as smart as phil can be wrong especially that he is our messiah.

Exlax may be the only effective cure. Lots of Exlax.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from both front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

I don't think that Pop or Riley really have "systems". They implement strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells them (especially with Pop).

We try to say that they are like phil but they are not. LA riley, NY riley and Miami riley were all completely different and there is no "system" that he needs to prove or tie himself to.

Could be. Maybe if they did they'd have more rings.

thats weak and you know it.

It's funny to me that one of the biggest arguments Ive read against using the Triangle and the success that Phil had with it is that he had Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq/Pau. Across that same time period Pop has had Dave Robinson/Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/Kawhi Leonard. Let's put that argument to rest; generally, EVERY championship team needs the best talent in the league. It means that those coaches with their systems absolutely work and have had a bit of luck along the way (injuries, etc). But is also doesn't mean you can discount it because of that same situation; you don't prove the opposite that way.

If you want to say that Pop implements his strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells him, that's nice (and I don't think it's really based on that but that's another story; those are adjustments within his system, not his system). That's his system of doing things. Riley same way; he has his principals and you bet he sticks by them, it's his way or the highway; maybe it's slow it down or speed it up, but he has his basics too.

Phil's basics are manifested in the offense and how it is formed, but also a lot of other things. The Triangle offense is what we can see and recognize as a name. That's all, but that's not everything.

Pop has been to the finals and won as much as Phil has (as a Laker). Both do things their own way. From 1997 to 2014 seasons (19 years), Pop won 5 times, been to the finals 6. With the Lakers, from 1999 to 2010 (12 years), Phil won 5 times and went to final 7.

nobody is taking anything away from phil as a coach. He was a great coach and we would all love for him to coach here. How would he do with a weak team? That no one has ever seen. He has never been down this road. We know that he can can get the most out of great players and of course that is not easy.

You are comparing Pop's and Riley's coaching principles to phils but it is not nearly the same. Do you think that if Pop or Riley were the GM that they would need a coach that understands a specific offense and that will implement it purely? Of course not. Pop and Riley don't have "offenses". Lets stop comparing them. You are trying to dumb down / normalize what he is doing here as if its not extremely unique but it is extremely unique and its a skill set that is hard to find since no one else has ever had success with it and no one else is willing to try anymore.

I don't care how many rings each of them has, they are all unique situations.

I respect the pre-lebron ring in miami perhaps the most. Nobody expected that one.

I will say this again and I really believe it. I think Phil clearly cares more about proving his system than about the knicks.

Is it possible that phil is wrong and there are much better options out there than his pure version of the triangle? Its like people just can't believe that a guy as smart as phil can be wrong especially that he is our messiah.

You've come into the conversation with a predetermined slant, we all sensed that.

don't you have a predetermined slant too? Are you looking at this critically or just buying what you are fed? Seems strange that you always end up on one side and its always defending any move that he makes.

I am sure that you can see some cracks or imperfections too, no? I don't see that you are posting anything critical or any worry that you may have.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from both front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

I don't think that Pop or Riley really have "systems". They implement strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells them (especially with Pop).

We try to say that they are like phil but they are not. LA riley, NY riley and Miami riley were all completely different and there is no "system" that he needs to prove or tie himself to.

Could be. Maybe if they did they'd have more rings.

thats weak and you know it.

It's funny to me that one of the biggest arguments Ive read against using the Triangle and the success that Phil had with it is that he had Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq/Pau. Across that same time period Pop has had Dave Robinson/Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/Kawhi Leonard. Let's put that argument to rest; generally, EVERY championship team needs the best talent in the league. It means that those coaches with their systems absolutely work and have had a bit of luck along the way (injuries, etc). But is also doesn't mean you can discount it because of that same situation; you don't prove the opposite that way.

If you want to say that Pop implements his strategies based on what they have on hand and what the data/analytics tells him, that's nice (and I don't think it's really based on that but that's another story; those are adjustments within his system, not his system). That's his system of doing things. Riley same way; he has his principals and you bet he sticks by them, it's his way or the highway; maybe it's slow it down or speed it up, but he has his basics too.

Phil's basics are manifested in the offense and how it is formed, but also a lot of other things. The Triangle offense is what we can see and recognize as a name. That's all, but that's not everything.

Pop has been to the finals and won as much as Phil has (as a Laker). Both do things their own way. From 1997 to 2014 seasons (19 years), Pop won 5 times, been to the finals 6. With the Lakers, from 1999 to 2010 (12 years), Phil won 5 times and went to final 7.

nobody is taking anything away from phil as a coach. He was a great coach and we would all love for him to coach here. How would he do with a weak team? That no one has ever seen. He has never been down this road. We know that he can can get the most out of great players and of course that is not easy.

You are comparing Pop's and Riley's coaching principles to phils but it is not nearly the same. Do you think that if Pop or Riley were the GM that they would need a coach that understands a specific offense and that will implement it purely? Of course not. Pop and Riley don't have "offenses". Lets stop comparing them. You are trying to dumb down / normalize what he is doing here as if its not extremely unique but it is extremely unique and its a skill set that is hard to find since no one else has ever had success with it and no one else is willing to try anymore.

I don't care how many rings each of them has, they are all unique situations.

I respect the pre-lebron ring in miami perhaps the most. Nobody expected that one.

I will say this again and I really believe it. I think Phil clearly cares more about proving his system than about the knicks.

Is it possible that phil is wrong and there are much better options out there than his pure version of the triangle? Its like people just can't believe that a guy as smart as phil can be wrong especially that he is our messiah.

You've come into the conversation with a predetermined slant, we all sensed that.

don't you have a predetermined slant too? Are you looking at this critically or just buying what you are fed? Seems strange that you always end up on one side and its always defending any move that he makes.

I am sure that you can see some cracks or imperfections too, no? I don't see that you are posting anything critical or any worry that you may have.

Pay closer attention. I'm not on any side.

I am and you are.

You have defended him and the triangle constantly.

This issue is a hot button issue with I would guess more people believing that it is a road block than not.

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Who cares what offense the Lakers are running? I will be sure to check them out next year the two times they play the Knicks.

yeah I don't know how it much matters either way. Not even sure why the reporter would ask. Dude barely just signed a contract and is still working on his current gig. I bet HE hasn't put much thought into it.

Yeah, but he already knew he wouldn't be running the Triangle. Because no one in the league thinks it works. Except Phil. Guess we'll find out!

There is no doubt in my mind that the Triangle is tough to implement, takes some balls to implement and run. Patience is definitely needed and it is a commitment from both front office, coaching staff and players. Often times coaches are on a short timeline to prove themselves and can't get caught up, easiest way is to do what everyone else is doing.

I don't know how you can say that no one in the league thinks it works, I am sure there are plenty of players and coaches that would recognize that it has and would, Walton included. Now, would they do it themselves? Obviously not. Generally speaking, there seem to be only 3 guys in the NBA who can put in their own system from scratch who would be able to bring the cache to make whatever they want to run work: Pop, Riley, Phil.

Enjoy the ride, Phil is putting in a system that is proven and he wants to implement and work here in NY. I look forward the process.

Phil won a ring with the Bulls his first season. He won a ring with the Lakers his first season.

It took zero time to implement in those places. The Lakers went frickin 67-15.

I think it is safe to say it comes down to talent. Now if the plan is to get a top three pick in 2017, maybe Phil is not wrong. I just don't believe he's in it for that long.

We shall see. I'll try to be less negative. I just see it as a mistake. I'll be more than happy to be wrong. I would love to be wrong.

I don't quite understand what you mean by the bolded?

When you have good talent, it's much easier to implement a system. When you don't, it takes a while. And then you also have to have the front office moving in the same direction as the coach.

Kerr walked into a nice situation; he won big time. Walton is walking into a dramatically different spot, he will not win much any time soon.

The idea that installing the triangle is a long, arduous process that yields results. That has never happened before. It had instant success because Phil got to coach some of the best players of all time.

And again, being team president is a very different job than coaching.

And being on the same page as the front office - Phil was at odds with Krause in Chicago constantly. And often at odds with Kupchak in LA.

We will see what happens. I just don't get the process right now. He's playing mind games with Melo, playing mind games with everyone about the coach. Whatever.

And, yes, systems in the nba usually come down to the players running them. But you also need the right system for the players you got.

I can't think of a single nba team in history that designed a system first and then went out and built a team for that system. You get the best players you can and build a system to suit their talents.

You seem to be reading every tweet, every unbalanced article that Berman/Isola put out for clickbait, ever interview that put odds questions out and reacting accordingly.

Take a seat, smoke some of whatever FishMike got going on, and enjoy the process. If you scrutinize and look for nuances that are not really there, you'll go nuts.

I read almost all of it. Probably too much of it. I probably need a Knicks break. Noted.