I think OK4 would have been pick, and not a damn thing wrong with that. The kid as a rookie was incredible until he ran into his immaturity and some injury.
Phil gets credit for not trading the pick and taking some risk on the pick. Depleted as we are making a safe pick was not a bad idea, but we didn't do that. Remember in hindsight, not end of season knowledge.
Gaines was on record for saying he should be the top pick! Phil hired gaines and listened to him, so Phil gets the credit.
Sometimes success is as simple as not screwing it up, but you don't know that when your making the pick!!!
Nobody is celebrating Phil, but if you really think about it, SAS freaking blasted Phil for picking KP, and looks stupid.
Don't look stupid.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

What's Walsh and grunwald setting the franchise up for...FAILURE? Phil isn't doing anything those guys had not done and they had less to work with,so let's stop acting like phil discovered slice bread..

Walsh to 2 yes to cleara mountain of bad contracts, hired a decent respectable coach and the team made the playoffs yr 3. When phil stepped in, we won 6 games out of 42 with a roster that won 54...

This is very similar only there is a singular vision now. Phil is in much more control of what the team is doing. It doesn't look like we're gonna get interference from Dolan like Grunwald and Walsh had to deal with. That's a major distinction.

Phil for the most part only has to improve the backcourt and things will look a lot better. No point in bringing up the unsustainable 54 win team. At least now we're building with more youth at the core of the roster. I honestly don't understand the negative view of where this franchise is headed.

There's some nice young talent, cap space and we have our picks starting next year. It's not a dark and bleak situation. We'll see if the team can take a step forward next season.

If he didn't have intereference from Dolan, Rambis would be the coach already.

That's only an assumption. No one knows what Dolan thinks but I do believe he trusts Phil after drafting KP. I think that bought Phil a lot of clout with Dolan.

IMO it's likely Phil is doing what he tends to do, which is take his time with major decisions. Sometimes you have to act more quickly but in this case Phil is in no rush. I think Phil could have just named Rambis the coach if he was that high on him. In any event this will be resolved at some point. I believe after the finals.

phil would have drafted oakfer, over KP if he was available and that has been well documented.

Your right, he is hesitant on rambis, but the fact the any of you would vouch for a coach like rambis is pure BS. it's like you ok with phil settling..

EVERY TIME I SEE THAT DIRECT TV COMMERCIAL, I THINK OF PHIL "HE'S A SETTLER" stuck in the past

What is the point of bringing up Okafor? We actually don't really know for sure that Phil would've drafted Okafor over KP. That is also just a rumor and IMO it's designed to try and diminish Phil. Gaines who Phil trusts most said KP was the player to take and I believe Phil may have listened. But that is an irrelevant discussion.

No one is saying Rambis is great. The point is that this team will improve with better on court performance due to better talent and continued development of our young talent! That's THE most important thing for this summer.

To explain my point there are a lot of playoff teams and they don't all have good to great coaches. Some of them are pretty average IMO. REGARDLESS, they still made the playoffs.

he brings up ok4 because it is in response to you giving him big cred for drafting KP. Of course he takes ok4k if he was still there. And, who knows ... maybe ok4 would be better for the knicks with the way they are trying to park kp in the post.

taking kp was an easy call after ok4k was gone. KP was 4th in almost every mock so I'm glad that phil "trusted" gaines to not take Stein or Lyles who were guarantees to be picked by the knicks as we were told by our resident UK scout guru.

The big name was Winslow! Just ask SAS. In any event it doesn't matter since Phil did draft KP. The mocks were about potential and not what the Knicks were expected to do. If it was expected and such a no brainer then why so much consternation over picking KP? Why so many articles suggesting Phil did the brave thing rather than what would've been safer and more popular going for a guy like Winslow or Stein?

Winslow went 11 cause he could not and can't shoot for squat and stein had nowhere near the upside.

KP went where we all thought he'd go. Many here were smart enough to make the same no brainer call.

Now if phil had ok4 on the board and he picked kp then boy would he get huge credit. unfortunately for the credit seekers that did not happen and almost certainly would not have happened.

Taking KP at 4 wasn't automatic. Yes there was always recognition of KP's talent being worthy of being taken but there was a lot of risk and other safer picks that people thought were more NBA ready, which is why Phil got jumped on for taking KP.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Yeah well... I think we're just fine with the direction we've got. Also i'm really getting tired of people pissin on Phil as if he's some scrub. He's actually trying to set this franchise up for success. The lack of patience from some fans and the media is maddening. Since when is it easy to build a winning team in the NBA? He hasn't even been at it very long and already some want to change leadership again.

What's Walsh and grunwald setting the franchise up for...FAILURE? Phil isn't doing anything those guys had not done and they had less to work with,so let's stop acting like phil discovered slice bread..

Walsh to 2 yes to cleara mountain of bad contracts, hired a decent respectable coach and the team made the playoffs yr 3. When phil stepped in, we won 6 games out of 42 with a roster that won 54...

This is very similar only there is a singular vision now. Phil is in much more control of what the team is doing. It doesn't look like we're gonna get interference from Dolan like Grunwald and Walsh had to deal with. That's a major distinction.

Phil for the most part only has to improve the backcourt and things will look a lot better. No point in bringing up the unsustainable 54 win team. At least now we're building with more youth at the core of the roster. I honestly don't understand the negative view of where this franchise is headed.

There's some nice young talent, cap space and we have our picks starting next year. It's not a dark and bleak situation. We'll see if the team can take a step forward next season.

If he didn't have intereference from Dolan, Rambis would be the coach already.

That's only an assumption. No one knows what Dolan thinks but I do believe he trusts Phil after drafting KP. I think that bought Phil a lot of clout with Dolan.

IMO it's likely Phil is doing what he tends to do, which is take his time with major decisions. Sometimes you have to act more quickly but in this case Phil is in no rush. I think Phil could have just named Rambis the coach if he was that high on him. In any event this will be resolved at some point. I believe after the finals.

phil would have drafted oakfer, over KP if he was available and that has been well documented.

Your right, he is hesitant on rambis, but the fact the any of you would vouch for a coach like rambis is pure BS. it's like you ok with phil settling..

EVERY TIME I SEE THAT DIRECT TV COMMERCIAL, I THINK OF PHIL "HE'S A SETTLER" stuck in the past

What is the point of bringing up Okafor? We actually don't really know for sure that Phil would've drafted Okafor over KP. That is also just a rumor and IMO it's designed to try and diminish Phil. Gaines who Phil trusts most said KP was the player to take and I believe Phil may have listened. But that is an irrelevant discussion.

No one is saying Rambis is great. The point is that this team will improve with better on court performance due to better talent and continued development of our young talent! That's THE most important thing for this summer.

To explain my point there are a lot of playoff teams and they don't all have good to great coaches. Some of them are pretty average IMO. REGARDLESS, they still made the playoffs.

he brings up ok4 because it is in response to you giving him big cred for drafting KP. Of course he takes ok4k if he was still there. And, who knows ... maybe ok4 would be better for the knicks with the way they are trying to park kp in the post.

taking kp was an easy call after ok4k was gone. KP was 4th in almost every mock so I'm glad that phil "trusted" gaines to not take Stein or Lyles who were guarantees to be picked by the knicks as we were told by our resident UK scout guru.

The big name was Winslow! Just ask SAS. In any event it doesn't matter since Phil did draft KP. The mocks were about potential and not what the Knicks were expected to do. If it was expected and such a no brainer then why so much consternation over picking KP? Why so many articles suggesting Phil did the brave thing rather than what would've been safer and more popular going for a guy like Winslow or Stein?

Winslow went 11 cause he could not and can't shoot for squat and stein had nowhere near the upside.

KP went where we all thought he'd go. Many here were smart enough to make the same no brainer call.

Now if phil had ok4 on the board and he picked kp then boy would he get huge credit. unfortunately for the credit seekers that did not happen and almost certainly would not have happened.

Taking KP at 4 wasn't automatic. Yes there was always recognition of KP's talent being worthy of being taken but there was a lot of risk and other safer picks that people thought were more NBA ready, which is why Phil got jumped on for taking KP.

there were no safe picks that deserved the 4 spot. Who Mudiay? Can't shoot for sh1t. Stein? No way since he is one dimensional at this point. Kaminsky? Please ... Winslow? Can't shoot for sh1t. After the top 4 there was a huge drop off. Possibly thought to be a huge drop off after 3.

You are trying too hard to give phil credit yet many respectable posters here were pretty convinced as well and they are not getting paid 60 million nor are they getting big kudos. NO BRAINER.